How About Another EU Referendum?
Poll: How About Another EU Referendum?
Total Members Polled: 462
Discussion
Lotobear said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Magnum 475 said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Agreed, and I call out the Remainer led revision of the last few years of parliamentary history when they complain about the current status of the UK-EU relationship when their actions after the referendum results directly led to it.
No. Please don't blame those who didn't want Brexit for the consequences of Brexit. You voted for it you, and you got what you voted for. It's not the fault of those who didn't want it, it's not the fault of the EU. It is the fault of those who campaigned based on lies (Improved fishing industry, Turkey joining the EU and mass immigration etc). It is, to a lesser degree, the fault of those who voted for it.
You voted leave. You got what you voted for.
I will admit that I thought, naively with hindsight, that after the result came in the country and parliament would respect the result of a democratic vote and work in the best interests of the country in implementing that result.. This didn't happen...instead we had groups of MPs travelling to Brussels having secret meetings. LDs wanted to override it and the Labour party gave no input, no policy and blocked everything regardless.
As for the EU, there was no good faith negotiation from them but that was to be expected. Especially with their use of the GFA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw0RyfeWAK8
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Magnum 475 said:
No. Please don't blame those who didn't want Brexit for the consequences of Brexit. You voted for it you, and you got what you voted for. It's not the fault of those who didn't want it, it's not the fault of the EU.
It is the fault of those who campaigned based on lies (Improved fishing industry, Turkey joining the EU and mass immigration etc). It is, to a lesser degree, the fault of those who voted for it.
You voted leave. You got what you voted for.
Don't waste your time mate. It'll never ever be the fault of Brexiteers. These arrogant pricks could never face up to that. It'll always be someone else's fault....remainers, remoaners, Covid, Putin, the EU. Anyone but the morons who voted for it and the liars they were conned by. It is the fault of those who campaigned based on lies (Improved fishing industry, Turkey joining the EU and mass immigration etc). It is, to a lesser degree, the fault of those who voted for it.
You voted leave. You got what you voted for.
It's easier to fool someone than to get them to admit they've been fooled.
If the UK had been taken out of the EU, the same way it was taken into it, The wailing and gnashing of teeth, of the remainers would have been deafening.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Lotobear said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Magnum 475 said:
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Agreed, and I call out the Remainer led revision of the last few years of parliamentary history when they complain about the current status of the UK-EU relationship when their actions after the referendum results directly led to it.
No. Please don't blame those who didn't want Brexit for the consequences of Brexit. You voted for it you, and you got what you voted for. It's not the fault of those who didn't want it, it's not the fault of the EU. It is the fault of those who campaigned based on lies (Improved fishing industry, Turkey joining the EU and mass immigration etc). It is, to a lesser degree, the fault of those who voted for it.
You voted leave. You got what you voted for.
I will admit that I thought, naively with hindsight, that after the result came in the country and parliament would respect the result of a democratic vote and work in the best interests of the country in implementing that result.. This didn't happen...instead we had groups of MPs travelling to Brussels having secret meetings. LDs wanted to override it and the Labour party gave no input, no policy and blocked everything regardless.
As for the EU, there was no good faith negotiation from them but that was to be expected. Especially with their use of the GFA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw0RyfeWAK8
After all we know the EU needed us more than we needed them.
StevieBee said:
Jeanboi said:
But I'd rather democracy was respected.
I'd agree with this, normally.However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.
Jeanboi said:
StevieBee said:
Jeanboi said:
But I'd rather democracy was respected.
I'd agree with this, normally.However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.
Abdul Abulbul Amir said:
Jeanboi said:
markymarkthree said:
"Absolutely not" is a clear winner, might as well close the vote now.
It sure is but some just won't accept that! Jeanboi said:
StevieBee said:
Jeanboi said:
But I'd rather democracy was respected.
I'd agree with this, normally.However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.
roger.mellie said:
And leaver effluent blockages wouldn't be questioned if it was all going great and leavers wouldn't feel the need to be on the defensive. aholes don't have tear ducts.
I'm interested to know what you expect when threads like this are started?Do you expect people with opposing views simply to not bother replying to these threads?
They all end up the same way. But I'm not sure that replies by those who are less pro-EU are any more "defensive" as those starting them are.
The whole situation is very interesting from a social perspective. I don't see how the "debate" will ever be resolved.
Murph7355 said:
I'm interested to know what you expect when threads like this are started?
Do you expect people with opposing views simply to not bother replying to these threads?
They all end up the same way. But I'm not sure that replies by those who are less pro-EU are any more "defensive" as those starting them are.
The whole situation is very interesting from a social perspective. I don't see how the "debate" will ever be resolved.
Normal approach when seeing an EU thread is think yet another, yawn, I'll ignore it, then be unable to resist doing a drive-by post offering my opinion when replying on some other thread. The other thread will have my main point of contribution and these EU brexity ones are just for fun these days. But then realise I'm getting sucked into a conversation I've already had and start looking for an exit. It's why you won't get a long form post from me even though I respect the opinions of yourself and others.Do you expect people with opposing views simply to not bother replying to these threads?
They all end up the same way. But I'm not sure that replies by those who are less pro-EU are any more "defensive" as those starting them are.
The whole situation is very interesting from a social perspective. I don't see how the "debate" will ever be resolved.
I never expect agreement or look for friends and I can make some very good arguments on why it should never be expected without thinking any less of those who disagree with me. I don't mind poking a wasp's nest though, it may not be the best survival trait but I can run away much faster than most.
It is interesting from a social perspective but only a little. Do you know any/many who are politically engaged in real life? I know a few but not many. But most people don't care and it should always be remembered when debating on here that we're not that representative of most.
StevieBee said:
Jeanboi said:
StevieBee said:
Jeanboi said:
But I'd rather democracy was respected.
I'd agree with this, normally.However, to use an analogy, we voted to go on holiday to Barbados but have ended up in Bognor.
We don’t need get permission or to follow other people’s rules
Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 28th June 07:46
The vote was remain or leave, it was quite clear. At least to me.
What they argued about in the interim is frankly nonsense as, just as in local and national elections, they make up a load of twaddle and lies on both sides to support their arguments and sway the odd voter. Well at least some of them do, it’s filtering the chaff from the wheat that’s the problem but if you stick to the premise of the vote and go with your gut, as I did, then anything about reasons is moot in my opinion.
It’s too easy to use the chaff as a reason for the vote going the wrong way but then I think general elections, cup matches and grand prix seasons have gone the wrong way and I’ve just sucked them up.
What they argued about in the interim is frankly nonsense as, just as in local and national elections, they make up a load of twaddle and lies on both sides to support their arguments and sway the odd voter. Well at least some of them do, it’s filtering the chaff from the wheat that’s the problem but if you stick to the premise of the vote and go with your gut, as I did, then anything about reasons is moot in my opinion.
It’s too easy to use the chaff as a reason for the vote going the wrong way but then I think general elections, cup matches and grand prix seasons have gone the wrong way and I’ve just sucked them up.
Ivan stewart said:
We now have a choice where we end up ,
We don’t need get permission or to follow other people’s rules
Balls.We don’t need get permission or to follow other people’s rules
Edited by Ivan stewart on Tuesday 28th June 07:46
A big myth about brexit is the one that the UK can make its own rules independently of others.
More than ever it's now a rule taker rather than a rule maker.
Yes it can consider moving back to pounds and ounces, the rest of the world will not use those measures when dealing with the UK so it has the freedom to make life harder for itself. Petty example but demonstrative nonetheless of the level of thinking among some.
I'm not a complete cynic when it comes to there being some advantages leaving the EU but some absolute bullst is talked about it too.
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