US Supreme court have overturned Roe V Wade
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Some Texas clinics already stopped after threats by the Gov Abbott
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/24/texas-clin...
California prepared for this, with Gov Newsom signing legislation protecting women and doctors
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/gavin-news...
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/24/texas-clin...
California prepared for this, with Gov Newsom signing legislation protecting women and doctors
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/gavin-news...
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 25th June 06:23
No s
t sherlock
Senator Susan Collins, the Maine Republican who was a key supporter of Brett Kavanaugh in his 2018 confirmation, said he and Neil Gorsuch misrepresented their views on Roe v. Wade in private meetings with her.
The GOP rushed through Kavanaugh, refused to allow witnesses, refused to investigate him, the accusations of his drunkeness, rape and sexual assault. Refused to investigate who paid off all his debts suddenly, yet Collins still voted for him as did all the other GOP.
Same as Collins believed ACB wouldn't overturn Roe. Remember when Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh put their hand on the bible and told us that Roe was settled law that wouldn't be altered.
Lets be honest now, it's time for the Dems to stop playing by any rules they think exist because the GOP don't and won't in the future. Expand the Supreme court from 9 to 13, put in terms, not life appointments, indict those judges that lied through their confiirmation hearings.
t sherlockSenator Susan Collins, the Maine Republican who was a key supporter of Brett Kavanaugh in his 2018 confirmation, said he and Neil Gorsuch misrepresented their views on Roe v. Wade in private meetings with her.
The GOP rushed through Kavanaugh, refused to allow witnesses, refused to investigate him, the accusations of his drunkeness, rape and sexual assault. Refused to investigate who paid off all his debts suddenly, yet Collins still voted for him as did all the other GOP.
Same as Collins believed ACB wouldn't overturn Roe. Remember when Gorsuch, Barrett and Kavanaugh put their hand on the bible and told us that Roe was settled law that wouldn't be altered.
Lets be honest now, it's time for the Dems to stop playing by any rules they think exist because the GOP don't and won't in the future. Expand the Supreme court from 9 to 13, put in terms, not life appointments, indict those judges that lied through their confiirmation hearings.
Edited by Byker28i on Saturday 25th June 06:49
Why now - after the draft release, the supposed manufactured outrage that it was leaked...
What a handy distraction for Justice Thomas to take the lead in striking down Roe v Wade in the US, just as we were starting to find out more about his wifes involvement in trumps coup attempt..., just as trumps plans, complicity was being fully exposed...
Or is this that they think the whole sorry lot is about to come falling down because the DOJ have started moving, multiple raids, seizures, subpoenas. These January 6th hearings, and the DOJ’s accelerating investigations have people worried that a lot of right wing political figures are at risk of charges/prison time.
That includes the strong possibility of Ginni Thomas being indicted for her part in trumps coup attempt, and it’s not clear if Clarence Thomas has legal exposure as well, but with his sole decision in Feb it's more likely the case . At best Justice Thomas will be forced to recluse himself if he doesn't face censure for being involved, even if just giving legal advice.
Is this desperation to get this done whilst they can, because it's most likely handed the Dems the midterms on a plate. It really doesn't make sense otherwise?
What a handy distraction for Justice Thomas to take the lead in striking down Roe v Wade in the US, just as we were starting to find out more about his wifes involvement in trumps coup attempt..., just as trumps plans, complicity was being fully exposed...
Or is this that they think the whole sorry lot is about to come falling down because the DOJ have started moving, multiple raids, seizures, subpoenas. These January 6th hearings, and the DOJ’s accelerating investigations have people worried that a lot of right wing political figures are at risk of charges/prison time.
That includes the strong possibility of Ginni Thomas being indicted for her part in trumps coup attempt, and it’s not clear if Clarence Thomas has legal exposure as well, but with his sole decision in Feb it's more likely the case . At best Justice Thomas will be forced to recluse himself if he doesn't face censure for being involved, even if just giving legal advice.
Is this desperation to get this done whilst they can, because it's most likely handed the Dems the midterms on a plate. It really doesn't make sense otherwise?
Papers like the guardian are focussing on the outrage in the USA, but a lot of USA people are cheering.
Ultimately, this is what happens when the judiciary becomes political, and the country has a massive religious fault line through the middle.
The democratic plans of expanding the court seem the best legal way to tackle this.
But can the Dems harness the feeling to get enough control in the senate? That is the acid test.
I'm not sure it will get violent, as it mostly seems to be middle class vs. middle class thing. It will be the battle of the t-shirts.
Slightly different topic, but related I think.
I did hear one churchy senator say a solution was these women could, perhaps, just decide not to have sex outside of marriage?
I wonder how USA blokes would feel about that? Is it the sort of society where the blokes would just say "of course, that's your decision"?
Or would it unleash a ton of corrosion and pressure onto them?
I made a similar comment about the Taliban banning sex outside of marriage, but only for women. (But it's ok for men to? Presumably not homosexuals though?)
Stamped right through the middle of this abortion debate is that women are having to deal with the consequences of sex, yet men (in my experience at least) are the ones pursuing it more.
(God I sound like some feminist from the 70s - I need my morning coffee I think.)
Ultimately, this is what happens when the judiciary becomes political, and the country has a massive religious fault line through the middle.
The democratic plans of expanding the court seem the best legal way to tackle this.
But can the Dems harness the feeling to get enough control in the senate? That is the acid test.
I'm not sure it will get violent, as it mostly seems to be middle class vs. middle class thing. It will be the battle of the t-shirts.
Slightly different topic, but related I think.
I did hear one churchy senator say a solution was these women could, perhaps, just decide not to have sex outside of marriage?
I wonder how USA blokes would feel about that? Is it the sort of society where the blokes would just say "of course, that's your decision"?
Or would it unleash a ton of corrosion and pressure onto them?
I made a similar comment about the Taliban banning sex outside of marriage, but only for women. (But it's ok for men to? Presumably not homosexuals though?)
Stamped right through the middle of this abortion debate is that women are having to deal with the consequences of sex, yet men (in my experience at least) are the ones pursuing it more.
(God I sound like some feminist from the 70s - I need my morning coffee I think.)
Tankrizzo said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
What have I written that’s hateful and disrespectful?
This is about the removal of bodily autonomy, not covid. The state thinking it has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do (under threat) with your body started last year. Unfortunately this is what happens when you demand the state decides what happens to someone’s body.
Haven't you got your little lunatic anti-vax thread to scuttle off back to? You're making yourself look very stupid.This is about the removal of bodily autonomy, not covid. The state thinking it has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do (under threat) with your body started last year. Unfortunately this is what happens when you demand the state decides what happens to someone’s body.
Douglas Quaid said:
Tankrizzo said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
What have I written that’s hateful and disrespectful?
This is about the removal of bodily autonomy, not covid. The state thinking it has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do (under threat) with your body started last year. Unfortunately this is what happens when you demand the state decides what happens to someone’s body.
Haven't you got your little lunatic anti-vax thread to scuttle off back to? You're making yourself look very stupid.This is about the removal of bodily autonomy, not covid. The state thinking it has the right to tell you what you can and cannot do (under threat) with your body started last year. Unfortunately this is what happens when you demand the state decides what happens to someone’s body.
The ad hom attacks on Babyshark for even mentioning the similarities with covid jab coercion are distasteful in the extreme.
Douglas Quaid said:
Nothing he’s saying is anti vax. It is true that plenty of people supported others being effectively forced into doing something with their bodies. Now for some reason they don’t like people being effectively forced into doing something else with their bodies.
Pathetic use of the word "effectively".No one was forced in the UK or USA to have the jab. People were given a choice, and sometimes that was a choice based on being able to do their job with vulnerable people, or not.
Banning abortion forces women to carry a foetus to childbirth. The only alternatives being to leave that legal jurisdiction or have an illegal, and dangerous procedure.
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
“Have the injection or lose your livelihood and be unable to provide for yourself and your family as you’ll be banned from working or leaving the country” (as seen in the USA and Canada).
“You can’t have an abortion because we’ve decided you cannot have one” (as will happen in multiple states)
In both situations the state is taking choice away. By coercion or law, the right to choose what happens with your body is removed. Again, I find both situations repulsive.
I can see why some of the covid ultras are finding it a bit uncomfortable. Do they realise quite how hateful and disrespectful they’d become towards other people?
Spot on.“You can’t have an abortion because we’ve decided you cannot have one” (as will happen in multiple states)
In both situations the state is taking choice away. By coercion or law, the right to choose what happens with your body is removed. Again, I find both situations repulsive.
I can see why some of the covid ultras are finding it a bit uncomfortable. Do they realise quite how hateful and disrespectful they’d become towards other people?
One and the same mentality.
ATG said:
Worms aren't sentient. Do they need more protection than a sentient being?
Are they not?https://www.historytoday.com/archive/natural-histo...
All the outrage and frothing this side of the Atlantic seems both forced and ignorant. Abortion has not been banned. It has reverted to a state decision, where *democratically elected* governments can make the laws their people want.
Democracy is not supposed to be a rubber stamp for you forcing your personal views on everyone else. They get the same number of votes as you do.
Democracy is not supposed to be a rubber stamp for you forcing your personal views on everyone else. They get the same number of votes as you do.
grumbledoak said:
All the outrage and frothing this side of the Atlantic seems both forced and ignorant. Abortion has not been banned. It has reverted to a state decision, where *democratically elected* governments can make the laws their people want.
Democracy is not supposed to be a rubber stamp for you forcing your personal views on everyone else. They get the same number of votes as you do.
Stop bringing your facts here.Democracy is not supposed to be a rubber stamp for you forcing your personal views on everyone else. They get the same number of votes as you do.
More state level democracy doesn't give the lefties anything to froth about.
grumbledoak said:
All the outrage and frothing this side of the Atlantic seems both forced and ignorant. Abortion has not been banned. It has reverted to a state decision, where *democratically elected* governments can make the laws their people want.
Democracy is not supposed to be a rubber stamp for you forcing your personal views on everyone else. They get the same number of votes as you do.
Remind me again how people can elect members of the Supreme Court?Democracy is not supposed to be a rubber stamp for you forcing your personal views on everyone else. They get the same number of votes as you do.
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