US Supreme court have overturned Roe V Wade

[rscott]

dvs_dave said:

sim72 said:

You've never met an American religious fundamentalist then.

It's the "pro-life" thing that makes me laugh, because the Venn diagram of anti-abortionists and those in favour of the death penalty isn't far off being a perfect circle.

Add in pro-guns, and it becomes a perfect circle.

Very interesting statement by the Vatican (who are obviously pleased with the verdict)
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pro-life-is-not-j...

Basically says that being "pro-life" means far more than just wanting to ban abortions - it also means that you must be concerned if the mortality rate of women increases due to motherhood and must also defend life against the threat of firearms. It also means guaranteeing that healthcare is accessible to all.

[Rufus Stone]

BlackWidow13 said:

The father on any view ranks bottom when it comes to decisions during pregnancy.

How sad is that.

[anonymous-user]

Rufus Stone said:

BlackWidow13 said:

The father on any view ranks bottom when it comes to decisions during pregnancy.

How sad is that.

It is preferable to the alternative, where the father or other people have more say over what a woman chooses to do with her body/unborn child.

[Byker28i]

What all six Justices who struck down Roe said about it during their confirmation hearings

All six Supreme Court justices in the majority opinion striking down Roe v. Wade avoided directly stating in their confirmation hearings how they would rule on it. They typically stuck to expressing their belief in the importance of precedent.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-p...

[NWTony]

Zumbruk said:

NWTony said:

Zumbruk said:

Repeating 'ad hominem' doesn't make it any more valid.

I'm beginning to suspect you don't actually know what an ad hominem is and its just something you've seen written down in other debates.

Oh, the irony.

And now I don't believe you understand what irony is either.

[Byker28i]

Republican Congresswoman Mary Miller, to Trump: “On behalf of all the maga patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1540858029285019648

[Rufus Stone]

Newarch said:

It is preferable to the alternative, where the father or other people have more say over what a woman chooses to do with her body/unborn child.

A woman can do what she likes with her own body, the issue is should she have that right over someone elses.

[AW111]

Byker28i said:

Republican Congresswoman Mary Miller, to Trump: “On behalf of all the maga patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1540858029285019648

So what about non-whites? If you're a believer in the "great replacement" bullst, shouldn't abortion for non-whites be not only legal, but subsidised?

[Randy Winkman]

AW111 said:

Byker28i said:

Republican Congresswoman Mary Miller, to Trump: “On behalf of all the maga patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1540858029285019648

So what about non-whites? If you're a believer in the "great replacement" bullst, shouldn't abortion for non-whites be not only legal, but subsidised?

And in the video below that one "Hitler was right in his views about capturing the minds of the youth." Yes, and I've heard that Jimmy Savile was really good at fundraising.

[bitchstewie]

Byker28i said:

Republican Congresswoman Mary Miller, to Trump: “On behalf of all the maga patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1540858029285019648

I honestly assumed that would be a misquote but it's a video and she's right there saying it.

Absolute bunch of nutjobs.

[98elise]

sim72 said:

98elise said:

I don't see the link between abortion and gay marriage. You could easily be against abortion but for gay marriage, so where is the irony?

You've never met an American religious fundamentalist then.

It's the "pro-life" thing that makes me laugh, because the Venn diagram of anti-abortionists and those in favour of the death penalty isn't far off being a perfect circle.

The OP was referring to a Tory MP, who I assume isn't an American religious fundamentalist.

[Zumbruk]

NWTony said:

And now I don't believe you understand what irony is either.

Like I give a stuff what you "think". At least not until you're prepared to answer the question I asked many pages ago.

Edited by Zumbruk on Sunday 26th June 11:13

[thewarlock]

Rufus Stone said:

Newarch said:

It is preferable to the alternative, where the father or other people have more say over what a woman chooses to do with her body/unborn child.

A woman can do what she likes with her own body, the issue is should she have that right over someone elses.

My issue is that you say a woman can do what she likes with her own body, yet you seem to immediately contradict yourself.

Do you also take such offence to say, a parent deciding whether or not their child should have their MMR?

Or, do you just like picking and choosing to suit yourself?

[InitialDave]

rscott said:

Very interesting statement by the Vatican (who are obviously pleased with the verdict)
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pro-life-is-not-j...

Basically says that being "pro-life" means far more than just wanting to ban abortions - it also means that you must be concerned if the mortality rate of women increases due to motherhood and must also defend life against the threat of firearms. It also means guaranteeing that healthcare is accessible to all.

Well, good luck with that, the maternal mortality rate in the US is obscene, and this is only going to make it worse.

[Jockman]

thewarlock said:

Rufus Stone said:

Newarch said:

It is preferable to the alternative, where the father or other people have more say over what a woman chooses to do with her body/unborn child.

A woman can do what she likes with her own body, the issue is should she have that right over someone elses.

My issue is that you say a woman can do what she likes with her own body, yet you seem to immediately contradict yourself.

Do you also take such offence to say, a parent deciding whether or not their child should have their MMR?

Or, do you just like picking and choosing to suit yourself?

That’s really not a great analogy.

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

Byker28i said:

Republican Congresswoman Mary Miller, to Trump: “On behalf of all the maga patriots in America, I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday.”

https://twitter.com/i/status/1540858029285019648

I wonder if she realises that this will mostly “benefit” black babies/lives?

https://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/u...

Edited by BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo on Sunday 26th June 12:07

[Rufus Stone]

thewarlock said:

My issue is that you say a woman can do what she likes with her own body, yet you seem to immediately contradict yourself.

Do you also take such offence to say, a parent deciding whether or not their child should have their MMR?

Or, do you just like picking and choosing to suit yourself?

It's not contradictory if you consider the unborn child an independent being and not simply an appendage to the mothers.

[thewarlock]

Jockman said:

That’s really not a great analogy.

There are no great analogies tbh. Its a completely bespoke and individual issue, that most people agree, is nothing to do with anyone apart from the parties directly involved.

[thewarlock]

Rufus Stone said:

It's not contradictory if you consider the unborn child an independent being and not simply an appendage to the mothers.

But you know that they're not independent.

[Rufus Stone]

thewarlock said:

But you know that they're not independent.

Unless it's a clone, it has it's own unique DNA and is therefore an independent being. No?