US Supreme court have overturned Roe V Wade

[thewarlock]

Rufus Stone said:

Unless it's a clone, it has it's own unique DNA and is therefore an independent being. No?

No, it's not yet an independent being as it lives inside its mother and is literally dependent on her.

[Rufus Stone]

thewarlock said:

No, it's not yet an independent being as it lives inside its mother and is literally dependent on her.

So is a 30 week foetus but that is afforded protection.

Independent does not mean self supporting.

[thewarlock]

Rufus Stone said:

So is a 30 week foetus but that is afforded protection.

Independent does not mean self supporting.

That's literally what independent means.

You have the strangest argument.

[MC Bodge]

It's about the rights of women. Their bodies and their lives.

Not about men splitting hairs on the Internet.

[pquinn]

Some of you need to have a read of current abortion rules to understand that both extremes of the argument are wrong.

Some of you are looking as deluded, simple minded and absolutist as those idiots on the religious right are.

[thewarlock]

pquinn said:

Some of you need to have a read of current abortion rules to understand that both extremes of the argument are wrong.

Some of you are looking as deluded, simple minded and absolutist as those idiots on the religious right are.

No, one 'extreme' of the argument is 'mind your own business and stay out of it, it has nothing to do with you' and there's nothing in the existing law that has any impact on that.

[ScotHill]

Not all Americans are s:

US firms pledge to pay staff travel expenses for abortions

[grumbledoak]

ScotHill said:

Not all Americans are s:

US firms pledge to pay staff travel expenses for abortions

Will that cost them more or less than maternity leave?

[deckster]

grumbledoak said:

ScotHill said:

Not all Americans are s:

US firms pledge to pay staff travel expenses for abortions

Will that cost them more or less than maternity leave?

Wow. That's cynical even for this place.

[vaud]

grumbledoak said:

ScotHill said:

Not all Americans are s:

US firms pledge to pay staff travel expenses for abortions

Will that cost them more or less than maternity leave?

Some companies have higher morals and deeply care about their staff. There is also a markedly different set of expectations from Gen-Z (and older) workforce.

[Randy Winkman]

deckster said:

grumbledoak said:

ScotHill said:

Not all Americans are s:

US firms pledge to pay staff travel expenses for abortions

Will that cost them more or less than maternity leave?

Wow. That's cynical even for this place.

And perhaps the comparison could be the difference between a legal abortion and and the possible consequences of an illegal one?

[R56Cooper]

dudleybloke said:

Cobracc said:

A national religion ban would be better.

Amen to that!

Have another! Organised religions, in my view, are the most destructive organisations that have ever existed.

[InitialDave]

MC Bodge said:

It's about the rights of women. Their bodies and their lives.

Not about men splitting hairs on the Internet.

This. The details don't matter.

The baseline must be that there is open access to abortion.

[vaud]

R56Cooper said:

dudleybloke said:

Cobracc said:

A national religion ban would be better.

Amen to that!

Have another! Organised religions, in my view, are the most destructive organisations that have ever existed.

Agreed.

[NWTony]

Zumbruk said:

Like I give a stuff what you "think". At least not until you're prepared to answer the question I asked many pages ago.

Edited by Zumbruk on Sunday 26th June 11:13

Did you put think in quotation marks because you aren't clear what it means?

[andyA700]

Newarch said:

Rufus Stone said:

BlackWidow13 said:

The father on any view ranks bottom when it comes to decisions during pregnancy.

How sad is that.

It is preferable to the alternative, where the father or other people have more say over what a woman chooses to do with her body/unborn child.

I couldn't agree more. Back in the nineties, I remember a guy I knew, whose wife was expecting. She had problems and I asked him what he thought. He said he didn't care what happened to her as long as he had a son to keep his bloodline going. I mean, seriously, what an utter prick.

[Derek Smith]

InitialDave said:

Well, good luck with that, the maternal mortality rate in the US is obscene, and this is only going to make it worse.

That is shocking. It's almost unbelievable. In fact, no offence Dave, I had to check. More than the utterly obscene gun laws and the political/religious war on women, that is something they should be ashamed of.

My views on abortion rights are complex. I have a granddaughter who was born at a couple of days short of 28 weeks. She was perfect; just small. I'm now conflicted with regards to abortion timing. Secondly, my wife fell for our fourth when she was 40. On the day we received confirmation by the GP, she was sent to a clinic for advice. It was an abortion clinic. My wife felt she was being pressured. When she had an amniocentesis, there was, she felt, an assumption that if anything was found amiss, she was expected to agree to an abortion. It was poorly done.

It is a shame that the same emphasis with regards the constitution is not applied to the keeping religion from having any part of the state as it is with regards to allowing them to play hard man with guns.

[AW111]

NWTony said:

Zumbruk said:

Like I give a stuff what you "think". At least not until you're prepared to answer the question I asked many pages ago.

Edited by Zumbruk on Sunday 26th June 11:13

Did you put think in quotation marks because you aren't clear what it means?

Can you guys go squabble on another thread please? This is getting very tedious.

[Electro1980]

thewarlock said:

No, one 'extreme' of the argument is 'mind your own business and stay out of it, it has nothing to do with you' and there's nothing in the existing law that has any impact on that.

Which is a terrible argument. Plenty of things are legislated and decided upon by people who are not impacted directly. That is nothing more than an attempt to shut down any discussion. The fact is that most people don’t want to have a reasonable discussion about a complex issue. They want a reductive argument where you are either right or wrong.

[Electro1980]

AW111 said:

Can you guys go squabble on another thread please? This is getting very tedious.

Zumbruk just needs to stop sealioning.