Tory peer Michelle Mone - Received £29m from PPE Medpro
Discussion
popegregory said:
How does nothing ever come of this stuff, it’s far from sophisticated fraud and we could all see this at the time, surely? Or is it a case of everyone stole what they could then made sure the first thing they did was get the lawyers in to make it airtight?
Because the only people that can stop it are the perpetrators themselves or friends there of. Whos going to stop them?55palfers said:
I may actually contribute to the Guardians begging letters after that. Mezzanine said:
Reading the excellent reporting on this in Private Eye suggests this is far from the only example of this. Of course the public enquiry, in theory, should route all of it out eventually but we know the story arcs most of those enquiries follow…
Oh yeah that'll get it all sorted.As far as I'm concerned the covid saga has mortally wounded out entire political class, however much they've stolen. The idea that these crooks can police themselves is long gone.
No mention at all of this on the BBC's "Papers" section. In fact the leftie Beeb have omitted the Guardian altogether:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-637386...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-637386...
pablo said:
Yes, if the tories did anything about this, it would further expose the farcical nature of the PPE chumocracy and many more examples of multimillion fraud would become public knowledge. They’d be toast.
Amusingly I read about a couple who got a lucrative PPE deal, obviously delivered nothing of value but pocketed the cash, they left their London home and bought a nice big pad in the Cotswolds. As is the way, they tried to ingratiate themselves into the community, the community told them to do one with their ill gotten gains and the family had to pack up and leave….
If you want a quick read try the House of Commons Committee of Public Accounts Management of PPE contracts
The Summary reads (depressingly) The Department is in dispute with PPE suppliers on 176 contracts with up to £2.7 billion of taxpayers’ money at risk. The majority of these disputes relate to the quality of the PPE provided. Progress in resolving these disputes has been slow with 86 of the 176 still at the very first stage of the commercial resolution process with an estimated 35% that will not be resolved by 2023.
They're already toast. Amusingly I read about a couple who got a lucrative PPE deal, obviously delivered nothing of value but pocketed the cash, they left their London home and bought a nice big pad in the Cotswolds. As is the way, they tried to ingratiate themselves into the community, the community told them to do one with their ill gotten gains and the family had to pack up and leave….
If you want a quick read try the House of Commons Committee of Public Accounts Management of PPE contracts
The Summary reads (depressingly) The Department is in dispute with PPE suppliers on 176 contracts with up to £2.7 billion of taxpayers’ money at risk. The majority of these disputes relate to the quality of the PPE provided. Progress in resolving these disputes has been slow with 86 of the 176 still at the very first stage of the commercial resolution process with an estimated 35% that will not be resolved by 2023.
Edited by pablo on Wednesday 23 November 21:11
We just have to wait for the GE.
Something something IT WAS AN EMERGENCY something something NO TIME TO DO THINGS PROPERLY something something COINCIDENCE THAT THEY PERSONALLY KNEW MINISTERS something something KIER STARMER VOTED WITH THE GOVERNMENT ON COVID something something.
She won’t be the only one by a long shot and those who defended all the corruption, fraud and outright theft earlier in various threads should now come and explain why it was all ok.
But something something Labour something something…
She won’t be the only one by a long shot and those who defended all the corruption, fraud and outright theft earlier in various threads should now come and explain why it was all ok.
But something something Labour something something…
monkfish1 said:
redback911 said:
The company is under investigation by the National Crime Agency (NCA) for fraud; they did raid various properties Mone and her husband own. Not sure the Government have any appetite for admitting just how messed up (and corrupt) the PPE sourcing process was. Billions have been wasted (some of that stolen), and I'm sure "lessons will be learned". 
No doubt that the "lessons will be learnt" line will be trotted out.She will get to keep the 29 million. That much is a near certainty. As others have said, if they do anything about it, then more will be uncovered.
A lot of people in government and chums thereof did very nicely out of this at our expense.
Im one of those that wont forget. Sadly, its only likely to get worse.
I must admit I don’t quite get the outrage. Currently the system is working exactly as it should. She is being investigated for fraud, which is exactly, what, er, you are all demanding.
So, you have what you want, but many of you are complaining.
Let the investigation run its course and see what happens. Don’t forget judges and the justice system aren’t exactly besties with the govt right now!
So, you have what you want, but many of you are complaining.
Let the investigation run its course and see what happens. Don’t forget judges and the justice system aren’t exactly besties with the govt right now!
DeejRC said:
I must admit I don’t quite get the outrage. Currently the system is working exactly as it should. She is being investigated for fraud, which is exactly, what, er, you are all demanding.
So, you have what you want, but many of you are complaining.
Let the investigation run its course and see what happens. Don’t forget judges and the justice system aren’t exactly besties with the govt right now!
Various nebulous companies she has interests in are being investigated for fraud, she's not been charged with anything, arms length don't you know..... So, you have what you want, but many of you are complaining.
Let the investigation run its course and see what happens. Don’t forget judges and the justice system aren’t exactly besties with the govt right now!
As for the Lord's investigation it will go along the lines of that horror Baroness Udin, small suspension slap on wrist etc.
I'm glad to see at least some PHers getting wound up about corruption, if I was a Private Eye journalist I think I'd often be wondering if anyone was listening or cared. Corruption of the law makers seems to increase every year, or I'm getting older and grumpier, one of the two.
DeejRC said:
I must admit I don’t quite get the outrage. Currently the system is working exactly as it should. She is being investigated for fraud, which is exactly, what, er, you are all demanding.
So, you have what you want, but many of you are complaining.
Let the investigation run its course and see what happens. Don’t forget judges and the justice system aren’t exactly besties with the govt right now!
I was thinking similar.So, you have what you want, but many of you are complaining.
Let the investigation run its course and see what happens. Don’t forget judges and the justice system aren’t exactly besties with the govt right now!
From the articles linked to, it 100% seems like she ran by the letter of the rules and not the spirit of them in terms of declarations. Assuming that is proven, it would be nice to see her stripped of her peerage etc.
Fraud will be an interesting one too if proven.
Has any investigative journalist done a proper deep dive on the PPE debacle? What sort of profit margins do these sort of companies usually make? What were the contractual terms regarding suitability of products? In calmer times, how much PPE gets ditched because of non-suitability and who picks up the tab? etc. etc. If there has genuinely been piss-taking, I'll polish up my pitchfork. But I'm more interested, initially, on the real details of what happened. What was the marginal dinging we suffered due to, on the face of it, dumb-arsed reactionary behaviour by those who are meant to lead us.
Someone mentioned about off-shore accounts too. It's another area where I'd be more than happy for stricter measures on them being implemented, but also suspect it would have unintended consequences. I would also expect companies involved to have paid taxes etc...govt needs to get smarter on how we tax companies and consumption to make it harder to shelter money off-shore.
DeejRC said:
I must admit I don’t quite get the outrage. Currently the system is working exactly as it should. She is being investigated for fraud, which is exactly, what, er, you are all demanding.
So, you have what you want, but many of you are complaining.
Let the investigation run its course and see what happens. Don’t forget judges and the justice system aren’t exactly besties with the govt right now!
1) this shouldn't be happening in the first place, it's not like it's a few quid for office supplies is itSo, you have what you want, but many of you are complaining.
Let the investigation run its course and see what happens. Don’t forget judges and the justice system aren’t exactly besties with the govt right now!
2) we all know that at worst we will get a 'lessons learnt' while the money is never recovered
3) we all know its the tip of the iceberg, so who else is involved and why does it take the much maligned by some MSN to uncover it?
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