Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[sugerbear]

crankedup5 said:

don'tbesilly said:

crankedup5 said:

Sunak in talks with Biden to forward the AUKUS pact which obviously includes Australia. This proposal, almost certainly to be agreed, would never have had legs if the U.K. had still been in the EU, according to Andrew Neil. Another brexit benefit.

You must have read this article Cranked?

It certainly corroborates your claim in regards to Andrew Neil.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/world-...

Is that why you voted brexit, so that US and UK intelligence agencies could get a long better (allegedly)?

We can all play the game of finding something out of nothing, so maybe it's more to do with Ukraine and Trump losing than brexit.

[Mortarboard]

Seems like the ERG is now down to 22 members:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/windsor...

Boris still not a fan of the deal he did. Funny that.

M.

[Murph7355]

Mortarboard said:

Seems like the ERG is now down to 22 members:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/windsor...

Boris still not a fan of the deal he did. Funny that.

M.

Technically these amendments aren't his

[don'tbesilly]

Mortarboard said:

Seems like the ERG is now down to 22 members:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/windsor...

Boris still not a fan of the deal he did. Funny that.

M.

Liz Truss a member of the ERG.

Embarrassing for Sunak to have to rely on Starmer's lot to get his deal through the HoC, and even more embarrassing that the main objective has failed.

Is Sunak giving Biden a guided tour of the museum at Stormont or will it be Jeffrey Donaldson?

[Mortarboard]

Murph7355 said:

Technically these amendments aren't his

Technically, none of these amendments are outside of the existing constructs in his deal

M.

[Mortarboard]

don'tbesilly said:

Liz Truss a member of the ERG.

Embarrassing for Sunak to have to rely on Starmer's lot to get his deal through the HoC, and even more embarrassing that the main objective has failed.

Is Sunak giving Biden a guided tour of the museum at Stormont or will it be Jeffrey Donaldson?

Well, she was the ERG supported candidate. ERG affiliate then?

Labour could have abstained, and it still got through. I think the UK (and perhaps PH?) should really get less partisan when it comes to agreeing on what's good for the country, no? Simple "voting against those in power" is a GOP thing.

As for touring the museum, surely it would be more appropriate for the President of Ireland to host the President of the USA?

I think Donaldson's ire is being hooked up to generators to help with energy costs. Not sure of CO2 output though.

M.

[Mrr T]

don'tbesilly said:

Mortarboard said:

Seems like the ERG is now down to 22 members:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/windsor...

Boris still not a fan of the deal he did. Funny that.

M.

Liz Truss a member of the ERG.

Embarrassing for Sunak to have to rely on Starmer's lot to get his deal through the HoC, and even more embarrassing that the main objective has failed.

Is Sunak giving Biden a guided tour of the museum at Stormont or will it be Jeffrey Donaldson?

Not quite as embarrassing as not being able to do the maths to work out even without Labours support it would have passed easily. It seems to tick most of the plus boxes, make things a bit easier in NI, plays up to Biden, and shows the EU we have a PM who want to build a better relationship.

Obviously the DUP hate it but they are now largely irrelevant as are the ERG.

Edited by Mrr T on Thursday 23 March 16:59

[Blue62]

Mrr T said:

Not quite as embarrassing as not being able to do the maths to work out even without Labours support it would have passed easily. It seems to tick most of the plus boxes, make things a bit easier in NI, plays up to Biden, and shows the EU we have a PM who want to build a better relationship.

Obviously the DUP hate it but they are now largely irrelevant as are the ERG.

Edited by Mrr T on Thursday 23 March 16:59

Im not sure we've seen the last of them, but I'd love to know how Steve Baker, the self styled hard man was won over.

[don'tbesilly]

Mrr T said:

don'tbesilly said:

Mortarboard said:

Seems like the ERG is now down to 22 members:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/windsor...

Boris still not a fan of the deal he did. Funny that.

M.

Liz Truss a member of the ERG.

Embarrassing for Sunak to have to rely on Starmer's lot to get his deal through the HoC, and even more embarrassing that the main objective has failed.

Is Sunak giving Biden a guided tour of the museum at Stormont or will it be Jeffrey Donaldson?

Not quite as embarrassing as not being able to do the maths to work out even without Labours support it would have passed easily. It seems to tick most of the plus boxes, make things a bit easier in NI, plays up to Biden, and shows the EU we have a PM who want to build a better relationship.

Obviously the DUP hate it but they are now largely irrelevant as are the ERG.

Edited by Mrr T on Thursday 23 March 16:59

22 Tory Mp's voted against, 48 Tory no-shows/abstentions, the maths are sound.

https://members.parliament.uk/parties/Commons

DUP is irrelevant you say.

The DUP has rejected Sunak's deal and won't be returning to Stormont so there will be no power-sharing in NI.

[Mrr T]

don'tbesilly said:

Mrr T said:

don'tbesilly said:

Mortarboard said:

Seems like the ERG is now down to 22 members:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/windsor...

Boris still not a fan of the deal he did. Funny that.

M.

Liz Truss a member of the ERG.

Embarrassing for Sunak to have to rely on Starmer's lot to get his deal through the HoC, and even more embarrassing that the main objective has failed.

Is Sunak giving Biden a guided tour of the museum at Stormont or will it be Jeffrey Donaldson?

Not quite as embarrassing as not being able to do the maths to work out even without Labours support it would have passed easily. It seems to tick most of the plus boxes, make things a bit easier in NI, plays up to Biden, and shows the EU we have a PM who want to build a better relationship.

Obviously the DUP hate it but they are now largely irrelevant as are the ERG.

Edited by Mrr T on Thursday 23 March 16:59

22 Tory Mp's voted against, 48 Tory no-shows/abstentions, the maths are sound.

https://members.parliament.uk/parties/Commons

DUP is irrelevant you say.

The DUP has rejected Sunak's deal and won't be returning to Stormont so there will be no power-sharing in NI.

I assumed you knew how parliament works. My understanding was with no chance of defeat MP's where not paired and there was no pressure from the whips to rush in the sick and dying. So highly likely even if Labour had voted against the Sunak would still have won.

I shore the calm and reasoned debate of the NI assembly will be missed by all.

[Mortarboard]

don'tbesilly said:

DUP is irrelevant you say.

The DUP has rejected Sunak's deal and won't be returning to Stormont so there will be no power-sharing in NI.

Without Stormont being up & running, there's devolved government.

DUP didn't want either abortion or gay marriage, for example. Both are in place due to devolved government.

And with an election coming up, the message will be clear - if you want NI to govern itself, don't vote the DUP as the biggest unionist party.

Otherwise, Sinn Fein gets to dictate from Dublin. That's the practical result.

DUP is currently neutered as a political party - there is literally nothing that it can achieve (unless you count "not allowing local government to function" as an achievement)

M.

[HM-2]

don'tbesilly said:

22 Tory Mp's voted against, 48 Tory no-shows/abstentions, the maths are sound.

There are 650 MPs. 355 of those are Tory.

48 Tories abstain, that means there are 602 voting MPs of which 307 are Tory.

7 Sinn Fein MPs don't vote, and nor does the speaker. That makes a total of 594 voting MPs.

If 22 Tories vote against the government that makes 285 Tory yay votes. The Tories only need 13 other parliamentarians to vote with them to pass legislation (297+1), which could easily be achieved without Labour voting with the government.



Maffs clearly isn't your strong point.

[mike9009]

don'tbesilly said:

Mortarboard said:

Seems like the ERG is now down to 22 members:
https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/windsor...

Boris still not a fan of the deal he did. Funny that.

M.

Liz Truss a member of the ERG.

Embarrassing for Sunak to have to rely on Starmer's lot to get his deal through the HoC, and even more embarrassing that the main objective has failed.

Is Sunak giving Biden a guided tour of the museum at Stormont or will it be Jeffrey Donaldson?

The Tory party is broken. I don't think that is Sunak fault. I think the ERG are a large contributor though. Time the ERG were kicked out to form their own party.....

[crankedup5]

The Tories have always been a broad church, a wide variety of political views within the Party avoids the risk of an echo chamber. Long may that continue.

[crankedup5]

sugerbear said:

crankedup5 said:

don'tbesilly said:

crankedup5 said:

Sunak in talks with Biden to forward the AUKUS pact which obviously includes Australia. This proposal, almost certainly to be agreed, would never have had legs if the U.K. had still been in the EU, according to Andrew Neil. Another brexit benefit.

You must have read this article Cranked?

It certainly corroborates your claim in regards to Andrew Neil.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/world-...

Is that why you voted brexit, so that US and UK intelligence agencies could get a long better (allegedly)?

We can all play the game of finding something out of nothing, so maybe it's more to do with Ukraine and Trump losing than brexit.

We all have our own opinions I guess, I’ve lost count of the times I have given my reasons for voting brexit. Sovereignty covers much of it.

[HM-2]

crankedup5 said:

The Tories have always been a broad church

Historically yes, but definitely not since the Brexit vote. The aggressive purging of any pro-EU figures from the party hardly speaks to "broad church" does it?

[Mrr T]

HM-2 said:

don'tbesilly said:

22 Tory Mp's voted against, 48 Tory no-shows/abstentions, the maths are sound.

There are 650 MPs. 355 of those are Tory.

48 Tories abstain, that means there are 602 voting MPs of which 307 are Tory.

7 Sinn Fein MPs don't vote, and nor does the speaker. That makes a total of 594 voting MPs.

If 22 Tories vote against the government that makes 285 Tory yay votes. The Tories only need 13 other parliamentarians to vote with them to pass legislation (297+1), which could easily be achieved without Labour voting with the government.



Maffs clearly isn't your strong point.

The ERG are using this claim to suggest they are still relevant. But the 48 tories did not abstain they failed to vote for reasons unknow. Some may have wished to express discontent but they also included 2 ministers Grant Shapps and Mims Davies also David Mundell and Maria Miller neither of whom are on the ERG wing.

[don'tbesilly]

Good to see that both the FTA’s with Australia & New Zealand gained Royal Assent yesterday.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

[Mrr T]

don'tbesilly said:

Good to see that both the FTA’s with Australia & New Zealand gained Royal Assent yesterday.



https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Oh goody 2 new trade deals which according to the governments own analysis will increase UK GDP in 2035 by 0.08% and 0.03%.

It's clear from that brexit is a success and sunny uplands are just around the corner.

[don'tbesilly]

Mrr T said:

The ERG are using this claim to suggest they are still relevant. But the 48 tories did not abstain they failed to vote for reasons unknow. Some may have wished to express discontent but they also included 2 ministers Grant Shapps and Mims Davies also David Mundell and Maria Miller neither of whom are on the ERG wing.

Lol