Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 4)

[turbobloke]

Keep kicking that can. At least we're now more of a spectator than a participant in this eurozombie game.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/italy-say...

[Mortarboard]

Sway said:

blueg33 said:

Sway said:

blueg33 said:

JIT is much more difficult when the supplier is 10,000 miles away. That’s not opinion, it’s reality.

No, it's not...

Please let's not get into this nonsense again. Logistics lead times are irrelevant to JIT, logistics lead time variability is.

And is more variable when materials are coming from further afield. Hardly nonsense. Even the most basic of example - ship stuck in Suez canal delaying delivery is more likely when importing from the far east than from France

Nope. Shipping lead times are incredibly stable - calling out a single previously unprecedented event as an example - when Calais and the French ports are regularly disrupted is quite amusing.

I work for a large life science company. All our critical products are manufactured on three continents simultaneously for a reason. It's not due to shipping cost

M.

[Mortarboard]

turbobloke said:

Keep kicking that can. At least we're now more of a spectator than a participant in this eurozombie game.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/italy-say...

Is that why that Swiss bank failed then? /s

M.

[crankedup5]

Bannock said:

crankedup5 said:

nickfrog said:

crankedup5 said:

Listen to GBNews for a more positive and balanced view.

Yes that was the reaction when Farage told the EU that the U.K. would be quitting the EU. Not laughing now are they

Yes. Yes, they are.

Only in your head.

[Bannock]

crankedup5 said:

Bannock said:

crankedup5 said:

nickfrog said:

crankedup5 said:

Listen to GBNews for a more positive and balanced view.

Yes that was the reaction when Farage told the EU that the U.K. would be quitting the EU. Not laughing now are they

Yes. Yes, they are.

Only in your head.

Classic projection. Gold plated example.

[Bannock]

You know what. I'd be fking thrilled with this CPTPP if it offered us freedom of movement with Canada, Australia and New Zealand. I'd be ecstatic. I'd love to retire in Australia, freely, and be able to spend whatever time, whenever I liked, in Canada or NZ. I have relatives I barely ever see in all those places, some I've never even met. Yeah, I know one can do that now, but there are significant barriers, not least financial, for those of us over 50 already. Freedom of movement with those countries would be a right touch. And, as I already have EU freedom of movement due to my fortunate position of holding dual nationality with an EU country, the world, Rodney, would be my lobster.

Sigh.

[HM-2]

crankedup5 said:

No point in concerning oneself with the tiny percentage of anti brexit people

You keep telling yourself that



At least all the sand in your eyes explains your inability to read other people's posts.

[nickfrog]

HM-2 said:

crankedup5 said:

No point in concerning oneself with the tiny percentage of anti brexit people

You keep telling yourself that



At least all the sand in your eyes explains your inability to read other people's posts.

Wow. 53%. I wouldn't call that a tiny percentage.

[Bannock]

nickfrog said:

HM-2 said:

crankedup5 said:

No point in concerning oneself with the tiny percentage of anti brexit people

You keep telling yourself that



At least all the sand in your eyes explains your inability to read other people's posts.

Wow. 53%. I wouldn't call that a tiny percentage.

The tiny percentage obviously only exists "in his head".

[sugerbear]

Bannock said:

Ridgemont said:

Mortarboard said:

Especially when you consider the influence/control the UK had within the EU, compared to the influence/control the UK will have in the CPTPP!

M.

I’ll bite as it seems you otherwise get away with this kind of nonsensical comparison.

The CPTPP is not the European Union. 3 seconds of analysis should tell you that.
The EU has evolved geopolitical ambitions (as well set out by their own documents) which the CP (I can’t be arsed typing it out over and over) has not.
There is no treaty of Rome. There is no pledge to ever inclusive union. There is no foreign policy nonsense.
It’s utterly different.
And yes it involves sovereignty but as does any international agreement. That this ‘durrrr’ argument is meant to condemn the CP is utterly bemusing. It’s infinitely frustrating that somehow opponents of exit assume that the UK is anti international collaboration.
Raise your game.

You are conflating the EU with the Single Market. We left the EU after the referendum, we didn't have to leave the SM. Many leading Brexiteers said this before the referendum.

What has happened now is that the current government has joined the CPTPP as a means of making it more difficult to rejoin the SM. Essentially they've deliberately sabotaged our economic interests by doing this.

I don't want the UK to be anti-international collaboration. Quite the opposite. What I want the UK to do is collaborate internationally in the best interests of our own country. Losing 4% of your wealth and then adding 0.08% onto that reduced wealth does not appear to be in our best interests. I'd like us to leave the CPTPP and join the EU SM.

It's a pretty poor way to prevent the UK joining the SM as you can leave the CPTPP with 6 months. Maybe it's a cunning wheeze by the tory party to lure in dimwitted brexit voters.

[Bannock]

sugerbear said:

It's a pretty poor way to prevent the UK joining the SM as you can leave the CPTPP with 6 months. Maybe it's a cunning wheeze by the tory party to lure in dimwitted brexit voters.

Yeah I know I didn't say it would prevent it, just that it would make it more difficult, and they can present it as an insurmountable barrier to the hard of thinking as you say. They'll believe any old st, after all they voted for a load of it.

[crankedup5]

Bannock said:

nickfrog said:

HM-2 said:

crankedup5 said:

No point in concerning oneself with the tiny percentage of anti brexit people

You keep telling yourself that



At least all the sand in your eyes explains your inability to read other people's posts.

Wow. 53%. I wouldn't call that a tiny percentage.

The tiny percentage obviously only exists "in his head".

Frankly it matters not a jot, the good deed is done. Brexit job done, tick. leave you lot to your echo chamber of remoaners inaction.

[HM-2]

crankedup5 said:

Frankly it matters not a jot

You keep telling yourself that.

For someone whose spent so much time championing "democracy", you really should pay more attention to popular opinion given the latter is basically what underpins the former.

crankedup5 said:

leave you lot

We would be so lucky

[Bannock]

crankedup5 said:

Frankly it matters not a jot, the good deed is done. Brexit job done, tick. leave you lot to your echo chamber of remoaners inaction.

Because all that ever mattered was chalking up a "win" and upsetting "all the right people". Whatever the cost. Well, now the costs are apparent to everyone but the terminally blind. You sit in your little echo chamber and deny it as much as you like, but gradually your disastrous, spiteful project will start being unpicked, bit by it, stitch by stitch. Enjoy watching it all unravel.

[Sway]

What benefits does SM membership provide (MB, let's ignore REACH as that's not specifically SM related!)?

[nickfrog]

crankedup5 said:

Frankly it matters not a jot, the good deed is done. Brexit job done, tick. leave you lot to your echo chamber of remoaners inaction.

At least you now agree it's not a tiny percentage. Some progress at last.

[don'tbesilly]

crankedup5 said:

Frankly it matters not a jot, the good deed is done. Brexit job done, tick. leave you lot to your echo chamber of remoaners inaction.

Careful Cranked, you are in danger of drowning in here, if the tears don’t get you the high blood pressure from the excess salt you’ll have ingested might see you off.

[Bannock]

Sway said:

What benefits does SM membership provide (MB, let's ignore REACH as that's not specifically SM related!)?

Erm, the elimination of tariffs. The reduction of non-tariff barriers to trade with 27 of our nearest neighbours.

Freedom of movement of people, goods and services.

I'm sorry, is it 2016 again? I'm sure you know all this.

About 4% of GDP we've lost, wasn't it?

Am I due a parrot? Can't quite believe I've understood you question right.

[Mrr T]

Sway said:

What benefits does SM membership provide (MB, let's ignore REACH as that's not specifically SM related!)?

Financial services passporting.

[Mortarboard]

Sway said:

What benefits does SM membership provide (MB, let's ignore REACH as that's not specifically SM related!)?

Easy to see the benefit. Take Brexit, as an example

The current EU/UK deal is essentially tarrif and quota free (to all intents and purposes).
Yet it's costing the UK about 4% of GDP in terms of trade etc.

We can only argue that this extra cost is either:
-Due to leaving the SM
-Due to leaving the CU
-Due to leaving both the SM and CU

We can discount much of the CU "cost", as none of that isn't replaceable by UK owned processes.

It appears that leaving the SM specifically has introduced trade friction/resistance to the movement of goods (I know, your corner of the world isn't affected - not including you in the 4% of GDP loss!)

Can the uk ease that friction? Sure!
But why hasn't it? The border infrastructure & resources need are woefully behind. And it's not like any of this was unforeseen.
Main benefit of the SM appears to be that you don't have to rely on the government to smooth trade flows.

M.