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ZedLeg said:
You keep talking about it as if the lgbtqi+ community is like an organised thing. There’s no member’s list or anything, what you’re railing against is people being inclusive, which makes sense in context of your other comments.
I’m sure people don’t make the mistake of assuming you’re as inclusive as them after they meet you.
My issue is that it's becoming inclusive of all sorts of batsI’m sure people don’t make the mistake of assuming you’re as inclusive as them after they meet you.
t stuff that has nothing to do with being same sex attracted. It now includes straight people who dye their hair, try and tell us their non-binary and call themselves queer. That's just taking the piss IMO.Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
ZedLeg said:
It’s not a competition 
. Being inclusive means being inclusive to everyone as much as you can.
Obviously in bobbo’s case they don’t want any part of it which is fine. People will still be inclusive to them as that’s how being inclusive works.
And not wishing to be identified as part of the LGBT community makes them less inclusive to you?. Being inclusive means being inclusive to everyone as much as you can.Obviously in bobbo’s case they don’t want any part of it which is fine. People will still be inclusive to them as that’s how being inclusive works.
bobbo89 said:
My issue is that it's becoming inclusive of all sorts of batst stuff that has nothing to do with being same sex attracted. It now includes straight people who dye their hair, try and tell us their non-binary and call themselves queer. That's just taking the piss IMO.
Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
I'm going to dye my hair purple and demand to be called Doris from now on. I'm showing my inclusivity.t stuff that has nothing to do with being same sex attracted. It now includes straight people who dye their hair, try and tell us their non-binary and call themselves queer. That's just taking the piss IMO.Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
Rufus Stone said:
ZedLeg said:
It’s not a competition . Being inclusive means being inclusive to everyone as much as you can.
Obviously in bobbo’s case they don’t want any part of it which is fine. People will still be inclusive to them as that’s how being inclusive works.
And not wishing to be identified as part of the LGBT community makes them less inclusive to you?. Being inclusive means being inclusive to everyone as much as you can.Obviously in bobbo’s case they don’t want any part of it which is fine. People will still be inclusive to them as that’s how being inclusive works.
It doesn’t matter what I say regarding my own inclusiveness here as it’ll just be taken as more top trumps bragging
Rufus Stone said:
bobbo89 said:
My issue is that it's becoming inclusive of all sorts of batst stuff that has nothing to do with being same sex attracted. It now includes straight people who dye their hair, try and tell us their non-binary and call themselves queer. That's just taking the piss IMO.
Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
I'm going to dye my hair purple and demand to be called Doris from now on. I'm showing my inclusivity.t stuff that has nothing to do with being same sex attracted. It now includes straight people who dye their hair, try and tell us their non-binary and call themselves queer. That's just taking the piss IMO.Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
y behaviour.
Rufus Stone said:
ZedLeg said:
No, it’s not a connected thing, as long as they treat people with respect the rest is semantics.
That's good, you may wish to re-visit this comment then.ZedLeg said:
I’m sure people don’t make the mistake of assuming you’re as inclusive as them after they meet you.
bobbo89 said:
My issue is that it's becoming inclusive of all sorts of batst stuff that has nothing to do with being same sex attracted. It now includes straight people who dye their hair, try and tell us their non-binary and call themselves queer. That's just taking the piss IMO.
Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
Don't worry, we get your message. We get that you want no part in inclusivity. As a gay man you have your acceptance in society now. No need to lend your support to those still struggling for that same acceptance. We get it. t stuff that has nothing to do with being same sex attracted. It now includes straight people who dye their hair, try and tell us their non-binary and call themselves queer. That's just taking the piss IMO.Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
Message received and understood.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 19th March 10:36
Google [bot] said:
Like a normal human male considering his penis is a birth defect rather than a neurological, physiological or psychiatric issue.
Sorry, what are you saying? Are you directing that at me given my recent comment on me considering my penis as being a birth defect for me personally?I only speak for myself on my own experience.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 19th March 10:43
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Google [bot] said:
Like a normal human male considering his penis is a birth defect rather than a neurological, physiological or psychiatric issue.
Sorry, what are you saying? Are you directing that at me given my recent comment on my penis being a birth defect?I only speak for myself on my own experience.
bobbo89 said:
My issue is that it's becoming inclusive of all sorts of batst stuff
Like a normal human male considering his penis is a birth defect rather than a neurological, physiological or psychiatric issue.t stuff WorldBoss said:
bobbo89 said:
8.4L 154 said:
unanimous agreement from the LGBT community
Yeah because we're all one big community with the same hive mind and combined group think 
I hate when people refer to this alphabet 'community'! Because being gay means I get bundled into this weird group where apparently we all think the same and hold the same opinions.
I hold back on here now as I suspect many others do what with the usual suspects who gate keep threads where this topic arises but I, as well as many other LGB people I know, are disassociating with this LGBTQIABCDE+ nonsense. It's all gone way beyond being about the acceptance of same sex attraction and it's starting to have a negative affect where by being gay gets you associated with everything that goes beyond the B which is all becoming a bit mental.
Yes bobbo89, we're all aware that your stance on LGBTQ+ rights is a big old "F you, I got mine", good for you and the small minority of Gay, Lesbian and Bi people who share your sentiments, and while you are more than welcome to voice your feelings and opinions as an individual, you are in a minority.
The majority of Lesbian, gay and bi people stand in solidarity and recognise the push for the rights, freedoms, protections and basic dignity that you enjoy as a gay man in the UK were built upon the literal blood, sweat and tears of people from all of the LGBTQ+ umbrella that you seem so keen to distant yourself from and mock, and recognise that an attempt to further marginalise and sensationalise one group of people that may fall under that umbrella as a broader attack on the group as a whole, or at the very least a sizeable creep towards it; One only needs to look at the vitriol towards 'Drag Queen Story Hour', something is performed almost exclusively by gay & bi men, to see it in action.
But if you still think the groups like the right wing funded 'LGB Alliance' genuinely have your best interests in mind then good luck to you.
Google [bot] said:
Like a normal human male considering his penis is a birth defect rather than a neurological, physiological or psychiatric issue.
And, as I said, me considering my penis as being a birth defect is my personal opinion about my own penis within the context of my own trans identity. I have no idea why you latched onto that as a 'thing' when I was only expressing something about me personally.
bobbo89 said:
gregs656 said:
You are, because that is how the community is defined and you are therefore part of it. It’s not something you choose. I imagine your search history for example would flag up on Google’s metrics for LGBT people, and they could laser in on it from there. You will see things that are marketed to LGBT people. You probably have LGBT apps - for example the tag line for Grindr is ‘Meet & date local LGBT people’. There are aspects of healthcare that are targeted to the LGBT community. It’s just how it is.
Even if I agreed with the statement they have nothing to do with each other (which I don’t because of the high level of gender non-conformity within the wider queer community) there is extensive historical evidence of the broad cross section between same sex attracted people and trans people.
That is, you can think trans people and gay people have nothing in common but all the evidence is to the contrary. I think it is reasonable to advance that a reason for that is that trans people have complex terrain to navigate when it comes to sexuality.
Just this week I read a ‘humans of Amsterdam’ post which featured a Dutch trans woman who, decades ago, moved to Amsterdam before their transition, worked in gay bars and eventually found a boyfriend who supported their transition - although the relationship didn’t survive. It doesn’t make sense to suggest that now she has transitioned she has no connection to gay spaces, or is somehow disconnected from their own experience. If anything it would be amplified.
Another angle is that trans people have always been sidelined within the community. We were quite happy to have the solidarity at Stonewall but a lot of those women were rejected in the years that followed. If what you assert is true then you would either expect that attitude to have continued, or you might have expected an initial enthusiasm for a joint cause that tapered off. What has actually happened is the reverse. Trans people have more inclusion, more visibility and on the whole wider acceptance.
Do I not have a choice in this? It seems pretty fEven if I agreed with the statement they have nothing to do with each other (which I don’t because of the high level of gender non-conformity within the wider queer community) there is extensive historical evidence of the broad cross section between same sex attracted people and trans people.
That is, you can think trans people and gay people have nothing in common but all the evidence is to the contrary. I think it is reasonable to advance that a reason for that is that trans people have complex terrain to navigate when it comes to sexuality.
Just this week I read a ‘humans of Amsterdam’ post which featured a Dutch trans woman who, decades ago, moved to Amsterdam before their transition, worked in gay bars and eventually found a boyfriend who supported their transition - although the relationship didn’t survive. It doesn’t make sense to suggest that now she has transitioned she has no connection to gay spaces, or is somehow disconnected from their own experience. If anything it would be amplified.
Another angle is that trans people have always been sidelined within the community. We were quite happy to have the solidarity at Stonewall but a lot of those women were rejected in the years that followed. If what you assert is true then you would either expect that attitude to have continued, or you might have expected an initial enthusiasm for a joint cause that tapered off. What has actually happened is the reverse. Trans people have more inclusion, more visibility and on the whole wider acceptance.
king homophobic to me to force team me with another group just because of my sexuality. Again, no. I'm not part of any sort of community, no flag or letter salad represents me nor do I identify with any of it.
bobbo89 said:
Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
When you get attacked for being gay, who do you think will have your back? Trans people and their supporters, or those repackaging tired homophobic nonsense to attack trans people? andyA700 said:
WorldBoss said:
bobbo89 said:
8.4L 154 said:
unanimous agreement from the LGBT community
Yeah because we're all one big community with the same hive mind and combined group think I hate when people refer to this alphabet 'community'! Because being gay means I get bundled into this weird group where apparently we all think the same and hold the same opinions.
I hold back on here now as I suspect many others do what with the usual suspects who gate keep threads where this topic arises but I, as well as many other LGB people I know, are disassociating with this LGBTQIABCDE+ nonsense. It's all gone way beyond being about the acceptance of same sex attraction and it's starting to have a negative affect where by being gay gets you associated with everything that goes beyond the B which is all becoming a bit mental.
Yes bobbo89, we're all aware that your stance on LGBTQ+ rights is a big old "F you, I got mine", good for you and the small minority of Gay, Lesbian and Bi people who share your sentiments, and while you are more than welcome to voice your feelings and opinions as an individual, you are in a minority.
The majority of Lesbian, gay and bi people stand in solidarity and recognise the push for the rights, freedoms, protections and basic dignity that you enjoy as a gay man in the UK were built upon the literal blood, sweat and tears of people from all of the LGBTQ+ umbrella that you seem so keen to distant yourself from and mock, and recognise that an attempt to further marginalise and sensationalise one group of people that may fall under that umbrella as a broader attack on the group as a whole, or at the very least a sizeable creep towards it; One only needs to look at the vitriol towards 'Drag Queen Story Hour', something is performed almost exclusively by gay & bi men, to see it in action.
But if you still think the groups like the right wing funded 'LGB Alliance' genuinely have your best interests in mind then good luck to you.
InitialDave said:
bobbo89 said:
Being gay means I automatically get associated with all of that stuff and I want none of it.
When you get attacked for being gay, who do you think will have your back? Trans people and their supporters, or those repackaging tired homophobic nonsense to attack trans people? t crazy stuff.andyA700 said:
Why do you feel the need to outright lie about the LGB Alliance, there is no eveidence whatsoever that they are funded by any right wing groups. Please provide the clear and obvious evidence if you disagree with me.
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