Trans woman convicted rapist sent to female prison
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InitialDave said:
When you get attacked for being gay, who do you think will have your back? Trans people and their supporters, or those repackaging tired homophobic nonsense to attack trans people?
When am I going to get attacked and how are all the caped trans heroes going to know so that they can come to my rescue? Some pretty crazy fear mongering you're playing with here telling me I'm going to get attacked and what I should be doing to prevent it..... You people are nuts!
Do people really believe that trans people were not included under the category homosexuals in the past, and latterly under Gay before the acronym started to form.
The letters in the acronym are not picking up more passengers in the bus at each stop to the airport, they have always been there, LGBT is not becoming more inclusive when new letters are added, it's rather recognising differences and changes to the way people who have always been there think of themselves and identify themselves within the bigger group, That while there are shared goals there is also space for individual letters to work on their own unique challenges within society using language which is relevant to themselves.
There is no problem with bobbo88 not wanting to be part of the LGBT community, he can take whatever gains have been made by all people working together as LGBT, gays and homosexuals over the decades and not give back to LGBTQIA+ , but he doesn't seem to want to stop at removing himself, he seems to want to remove others, specifically those letters after the B, and he can't expect others who do want to be inclusive of other identities to not be so because he demands it.
The letters in the acronym are not picking up more passengers in the bus at each stop to the airport, they have always been there, LGBT is not becoming more inclusive when new letters are added, it's rather recognising differences and changes to the way people who have always been there think of themselves and identify themselves within the bigger group, That while there are shared goals there is also space for individual letters to work on their own unique challenges within society using language which is relevant to themselves.
There is no problem with bobbo88 not wanting to be part of the LGBT community, he can take whatever gains have been made by all people working together as LGBT, gays and homosexuals over the decades and not give back to LGBTQIA+ , but he doesn't seem to want to stop at removing himself, he seems to want to remove others, specifically those letters after the B, and he can't expect others who do want to be inclusive of other identities to not be so because he demands it.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
Google [bot] said:
I’d have his back without him having to prostitute his views to campaign for bats
t crazy stuff.
You have his back in a sexual sense? t crazy stuff.Or is it in the sense that he expressed a bigoted view that aligns with your own?
Clockwork Cupcake said:
As I alluded to earlier, I think you are young (under 30?) and have not experienced hate. And I am happy for you.
My username hints strongly at my age....Can I also go back to your previous comment here.
Clockwork Cupcake said:
As a gay man you have your acceptance in society now.
Can you guys make your mind up. Am I still going to get attacked? bobbo89 said:
Can you guys make your mind up. Am I still going to get attacked?
I dunno. What is your life experience? To me, someone born in 1989 seems young, but that is cos I am an old biatch and my step-son was born in 1994
Your "I'm alright, Jack" (look it up) attitude is certainly one from someone who has not experienced hate, though. And, as I said, I am genuinely happy for you.
You remind me of my 15 year-old nephew, though. Passing sneering judgement on things he clearly has no experience on. If I am incorrect then I apologise
In my nephew's case it was him scoffing "Just be happy then " in reply to a convo on mental healtn, to which I replied "what do you know about depression?" to which he replied "fair enough". I was prepared to start a family rift on this as he is a total dick, but that was a fair answer so obviously I I didn't
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 19th March 12:04
Rufus Stone said:
ZedLeg said:
I had just assumed that bobbo was older as making sure you’re alright and pulling the ladder up behind you is a very baby boomer attitude.
It’s a shame that there are younger people who think that way.
I think it's good to see not everyone has overdosed on the wokeade.It’s a shame that there are younger people who think that way.
Save me from what...
Clockwork Cupcake said:
I dunno. What is your life experience?
To me, someone born in 1989 seems young, but that is cos I am an old biatch and my step-son was born in 1994
Your "I'm alright, Jack" (look it up) attitude is certainly one from someone who has not experienced hate, though. And, as I said, I am genuinely happy for you.
You remind me of my 15 year-old nephew, though. Passing sneering judgement on things he clearly has no experience on. If I am incorrect then I apologise.
Depends on what you consider hate, I'm incredibly thick skinned and have a very 'couldn't give a fTo me, someone born in 1989 seems young, but that is cos I am an old biatch and my step-son was born in 1994
Your "I'm alright, Jack" (look it up) attitude is certainly one from someone who has not experienced hate, though. And, as I said, I am genuinely happy for you.
You remind me of my 15 year-old nephew, though. Passing sneering judgement on things he clearly has no experience on. If I am incorrect then I apologise.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 19th March 11:51
k' attitude to most things so things like hurty words just get laughed off. That's largely due to the industry I work in which is male dominated and typically working class, think I've heard just about every slur you can imagine as well as some quite humorous and inventive new ones. Never been attacked or faced any violence though but that's probably due to me just being a regular bloke on the surface and typically don't do anything in public that would immediately identify me as being gay.
Being gay is the smallest thing about who I am as a person and something I don't allow myself to be defined by, seems to have served me well for the near 34 years I've been here. That's also a courtesy I pass on to others and so whilst I've been labelled a bigot and a transphobe I like to think I'm not. I don't give a s
t whether you're male, female, trans, gay, bi, straight, white, black or brown. I judge individuals purely on their character and their character alone. bobbo89 said:
Depends on what you consider hate, I'm incredibly thick skinned and have a very 'couldn't give a fk' attitude to most things so things like hurty words just get laughed off. That's largely due to the industry I work in which is male dominated and typically working class, think I've heard just about every slur you can imagine as well as some quite humorous and inventive new ones.
Never been attacked or faced any violence though but that's probably due to me just being a regular bloke on the surface and typically don't do anything in public that would immediately identify me as being gay.
Being gay is the smallest thing about who I am as a person and something I don't allow myself to be defined by, seems to have served me well for the near 34 years I've been here. That's also a courtesy I pass on to others and so whilst I've been labelled a bigot and a transphobe I like to think I'm not. I don't give a st whether you're male, female, trans, gay, bi, straight, white, black or brown. I judge individuals purely on their character and their character alone.
Fair enough. Fair dinkum.k' attitude to most things so things like hurty words just get laughed off. That's largely due to the industry I work in which is male dominated and typically working class, think I've heard just about every slur you can imagine as well as some quite humorous and inventive new ones. Never been attacked or faced any violence though but that's probably due to me just being a regular bloke on the surface and typically don't do anything in public that would immediately identify me as being gay.
Being gay is the smallest thing about who I am as a person and something I don't allow myself to be defined by, seems to have served me well for the near 34 years I've been here. That's also a courtesy I pass on to others and so whilst I've been labelled a bigot and a transphobe I like to think I'm not. I don't give a s
t whether you're male, female, trans, gay, bi, straight, white, black or brown. I judge individuals purely on their character and their character alone. I too just try to get on with my life Although the great "trans debate" does hamper that somewhat. Especially when I need a pee.
bobbo89 said:
Nope, being gay has nothing to do with being trans, the two aren't even remotely similar.
I don't think I know a single trans person that did not identify as Gay, Bi-sexual or Lesbian or at the very least have some sort of 'same sex' attraction and/or sexual experiences prior to transitioning, genuinely not one. Much of the verbal and physical abuse that trans people are subjected to is on the basis of them being gay/queer not trans in isolation; Someone shouted "batty man" at me the other day, a homophobic insult, at me as a non-binary person. If there is absolutely no overlap and I've got absolutely nothing in common with a gay man, why have I been called a homophobic slur?
Trans people consistently poll to show that the vast majority have a sexual orientation other than being 'straight'; 77% in the below
https://www.thetaskforce.org/wonky-wednesday-trans...
The above numbers get even murkier if you're genuinely in the "its all nonsense" camp; Stripping gender away and going purely on birth sex, again the vast majority of trans people I know are in ""same sex"" relationships; trans men dating trans men, trans women with cis men and trans women with trans women are the most common relationships I anecdotally know. Even if you think that gender isn't real and birth sex is absolute, most of those relationship pairings seem to be pretty damn "gay" to me?
bobbo89 said:
When am I going to get attacked and how are all the caped trans heroes going to know so that they can come to my rescue?
Some pretty crazy fear mongering you're playing with here telling me I'm going to get attacked and what I should be doing to prevent it..... You people are nuts!
Genuinely what is your take on hate crimes based on sexual orientation more than doubling in the last few years? Some pretty crazy fear mongering you're playing with here telling me I'm going to get attacked and what I should be doing to prevent it..... You people are nuts!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60257602
bbc said:
According to Home Office figures, hate crimes against people based on sexual orientation have risen every year in England and Wales from 2016/17 to 2020/21.
In 2016/17, there were 8,569 of these crimes recorded by police, but last year this figure was 17,135.
For hate crimes against transgender people, this figure has risen from 1,195 to 2,630 in the same period.."
A 1:1 ratio increase in hate crimes for both 'LGB' and 'T' people, which has seen numbers more than double in a period of four years; In 2016/17, there were 8,569 of these crimes recorded by police, but last year this figure was 17,135.
For hate crimes against transgender people, this figure has risen from 1,195 to 2,630 in the same period.."
Are you genuinely saying that you don't feel like their is anything to worry about? and that 'LGB' and 'T' people don't face similar challenges?
Clockwork Cupcake said:
bobbo89 said:
Depends on what you consider hate, I'm incredibly thick skinned and have a very 'couldn't give a fk' attitude to most things so things like hurty words just get laughed off. That's largely due to the industry I work in which is male dominated and typically working class, think I've heard just about every slur you can imagine as well as some quite humorous and inventive new ones.
Never been attacked or faced any violence though but that's probably due to me just being a regular bloke on the surface and typically don't do anything in public that would immediately identify me as being gay.
Being gay is the smallest thing about who I am as a person and something I don't allow myself to be defined by, seems to have served me well for the near 34 years I've been here. That's also a courtesy I pass on to others and so whilst I've been labelled a bigot and a transphobe I like to think I'm not. I don't give a st whether you're male, female, trans, gay, bi, straight, white, black or brown. I judge individuals purely on their character and their character alone.
Fair enough. Fair dinkum.k' attitude to most things so things like hurty words just get laughed off. That's largely due to the industry I work in which is male dominated and typically working class, think I've heard just about every slur you can imagine as well as some quite humorous and inventive new ones. Never been attacked or faced any violence though but that's probably due to me just being a regular bloke on the surface and typically don't do anything in public that would immediately identify me as being gay.
Being gay is the smallest thing about who I am as a person and something I don't allow myself to be defined by, seems to have served me well for the near 34 years I've been here. That's also a courtesy I pass on to others and so whilst I've been labelled a bigot and a transphobe I like to think I'm not. I don't give a s
t whether you're male, female, trans, gay, bi, straight, white, black or brown. I judge individuals purely on their character and their character alone. I too just try to get on with my life Although the great "trans debate" does hamper that somewhat. Especially when I need a pee.
I mean I hope to christ this doesn't happen (I sadly suspect it may have) but day to day are you barred from using the right bathroom for you (I assume here you present as female and don't have a beard etc).
Toilets is an odd thing but use it like a regular person does (discreetly) an I suspect its fine. Go full Dylan Mulveny and start handing out tampons and it might not go so well.
What does "straight" even mean when you are trans? What is your datum? With respect to what? To define your sexuality is to define your gender.
For example, if you are a trans women fancying women then to most you are lesbian but to trans-deniers would say that you are hetero I guess.
Personally I am either pansexual (I am not attracted to kitchenware) or asexual
Mostly asexual as I can't be bothered with it all. I've had a few dates with guys. They said I looked hot. Many times. So that was nice.
For example, if you are a trans women fancying women then to most you are lesbian but to trans-deniers would say that you are hetero I guess.
Personally I am either pansexual (I am not attracted to kitchenware) or asexual
Mostly asexual as I can't be bothered with it all. I've had a few dates with guys. They said I looked hot. Many times. So that was nice.
Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 19th March 13:57
Gecko1978 said:
Does it really though Joanne when you need a pee is there a man their shouting "Oi Clockwork Noooooo, you may not use the convince marked with a typical female silhouette, you must use the gentleman's convince you horror to the naked eye" ( said in the Harry Enfield voice).
I mean I hope to christ this doesn't happen (I sadly suspect it may have) but day to day are you barred from using the right bathroom for you (I assume here you present as female and don't have a beard etc).
Toilets is an odd thing but use it like a regular person does (discreetly) an I suspect its fine. Go full Dylan Mulveny and start handing out tampons and it might not go so well.
One time I had someone say "you should not be in here" and I was like "um, why?". Just one time. And that one time they swore it was "a joke". But in the same way that I have never been murdered yet acknowledge that people get murdered, nor have never been mugged yet acknowledge that people get mugged, I know it happens based in the experience of others. I mean I hope to christ this doesn't happen (I sadly suspect it may have) but day to day are you barred from using the right bathroom for you (I assume here you present as female and don't have a beard etc).
Toilets is an odd thing but use it like a regular person does (discreetly) an I suspect its fine. Go full Dylan Mulveny and start handing out tampons and it might not go so well.
Fortunately it is rare. For me anyway; maybe I "pass". Mostly women just want to piss and s
t and wash their hands and fix up their makeup. That is my experience. Yet to many trans-denyers we are all groping each other's genitalia and engaging in lewd acts or something. I dunno. Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Sunday 19th March 13:59
Clockwork Cupcake said:
What does "straight" even mean when you are trans? What is your datum? With respect to what? To define your sexuality is to define your gender.
For example, Iif you are a trans women fancying girls then to most you are lesbian but to trans-deniers would say that you are hetero I guess.
Personally I am either pansexual (I am not attracted to kitchenware) or asexual
Mostly asexual as I can't be bothered with it all. I've had a few dates with guys. They said I looked hot. Many times. So that was nice.
Most people reach a sage in life when they wonder what all the fuss about sex was about. Of course it didn't appear to be a fuss at the time. As a heterosexual man in his 60's I'm kind of glad that is all over and done with now.For example, Iif you are a trans women fancying girls then to most you are lesbian but to trans-deniers would say that you are hetero I guess.
Personally I am either pansexual (I am not attracted to kitchenware) or asexual
Mostly asexual as I can't be bothered with it all. I've had a few dates with guys. They said I looked hot. Many times. So that was nice.
Rufus Stone said:
Most people reach a sage in life when they wonder what all the fuss about sex was about. Of course it didn't appear to be a fuss at the time. As a heterosexual man in is 60's I'm kind of glad that is all over and done with now.
Well, quite. And as a 53 year old woman I hear you. Can't be arsed with it all and happily single.I presume you grasp my point though, right?
WorldBoss said:
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I never said trans people can't be same sex attracted but the two are different things, it's possible to be one or both. As for hate crimes going up and acceptance being on the decline, have you asked yourself why that may be? Might be the same reason people like me completely disassociate with the whole LGBT community stuff.
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