Russia Invades Ukraine. Volume 4
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China's largest shipping company has apparently suspended services to Russia.
https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/16398...
https://charter97.org/en/news/2023/3/24/541353/
https://mobile.twitter.com/visegrad24/status/16398...
https://charter97.org/en/news/2023/3/24/541353/
Jimmm said:
They already have nukes in Kaliningrad so this makes no difference. Just more nuclear posturing from Vladolf.
....and submarines. I suppose they could use the transfer as a cover for moving nukes *in order to use them*. That might achieve the suprise advantage but that doesn't help them because they can't be defended against.
Jimmm said:
M1AGM said:
Has this been mentioned here:
Putin: Russia to station nuclear weapons in Belarus
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65077687
They already have nukes in Kaliningrad so this makes no difference. Just more nuclear posturing from Vladolf. Putin: Russia to station nuclear weapons in Belarus
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65077687
TEKNOPUG said:
Surely an indication that they are planning direct involvement of Belarus military in Ukraine?
It would be pretty pointless and very counter productive. Russia has probably long emptied them of their best gear.
Big chunks of their military will either resign or rebel. The full time army is only a few tens of thousands in size.
If they start attempting to conscript the population they well and truly have nothing to lose by burning the country down. Which many of them are waiting to do.
Russia's O&G revenues down 46% for the first two months of 2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7Ep53UuFE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7Ep53UuFE
bloomen said:
If they start attempting to conscript the population they well and truly have nothing to lose by burning the country down. Which many of them are waiting to do.
What is the stance of their population? Native Russian or aggrieved and victims of massive voter fraud with a puppet PM?Adam. said:
What is the stance of their population? Native Russian or aggrieved and victims of massive voter fraud with a puppet PM?
There's them expressing themselves before being squashed again.
Belarus in the form it is, not that it may survive anyway, is more useful to Russia in future than throwing it away for a minor blip in military effectiveness. They can become more 'neutral' in future to sneak more stuff in.
The other factor which will go against Lukashenko, is the fact that the only thing keeping him in power is progressively getting weaker to be able to do that, and IIRC, the biggest number of volunteers fighting in Ukraine against Russia, are from Belarus.
Those that survive, will return hardened and experienced fighters, well versed in fighting Russians, and the next attempt at an overthrow of Lukashenko could well be much better prepared to take on a further weakened Russian military.
Those that survive, will return hardened and experienced fighters, well versed in fighting Russians, and the next attempt at an overthrow of Lukashenko could well be much better prepared to take on a further weakened Russian military.
TEKNOPUG said:
Surely an indication that they are planning direct involvement of Belarus military in Ukraine?
My read, is he he is just shuffling the nukes on the deck of the Moskva. Trying to intimidate the West to put pressure on Ukraine.In short the little bully playing the big man.
In other reports 70 year old T54/55 tanks being sent forward on trains. Western equivalent would be the Centurion/M26 Pershing, four or five generations back.
Then we have President Volodymyr Zelensky saying Ukraine's counter-offensive against Russia cannot start until Western allies send more military support. Which sounds to me like something for the Russian ears and we are close to them launching.
BikeBikeBIke said:
pablo said:
aeropilot said:
China's Xi didn't wait long after getting back from Moscow to start sticking the knife in 
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-central-asia...
Is it wrong to read this as discussions with Russia didnt go the way Russia wanted?https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-central-asia...
It could of been Sisu
bloomen said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Surely an indication that they are planning direct involvement of Belarus military in Ukraine?
It would be pretty pointless and very counter productive. Russia has probably long emptied them of their best gear.
Big chunks of their military will either resign or rebel. The full time army is only a few tens of thousands in size.
If they start attempting to conscript the population they well and truly have nothing to lose by burning the country down. Which many of them are waiting to do.
TEKNOPUG said:
Everything they have done so far has been pretty pointless. I think that you are giving them too much credit
That's what I'm wondering. They could either keep Belarus intact and use it to their benefit for the grinding road ahead, or destroy it by chucking their small army away in a few days. Not that the Belarussian army may actually agree to be annihilated.
They might be dim enough to suggest the latter, but Lukashenko probably isn't dim enough to go through with it.
Edited by bloomen on Sunday 26th March 14:35
RichFN2 said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
pablo said:
aeropilot said:
China's Xi didn't wait long after getting back from Moscow to start sticking the knife in
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-central-asia...
Is it wrong to read this as discussions with Russia didnt go the way Russia wanted?https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/china-central-asia...
It could of been Sisu
loafer123 said:
Not so obvious for the Stans, though.
I would be smiling and staying at arms length to both Russia and China for fear of frying pans and fire.
This particular ‘Stan has been trying to smile & stay at arms length from Russia, China AND the US for some time now. Its a tricky balancing act.I would be smiling and staying at arms length to both Russia and China for fear of frying pans and fire.
loafer123 said:
Not so obvious for the Stans, though.
I would be smiling and staying at arms length to both Russia and China for fear of frying pans and fire.
China doesn’t invade with tanks and missiles. It uses new roads, bridges, railways, and other infrastructure projects, backed by cheap yet un repayable loans. I would be smiling and staying at arms length to both Russia and China for fear of frying pans and fire.
A bit more appealing than Russian tactics.
Some sort of military building was opened NW of Moscow. On the day it opened someone sprayed something like 'killers' on it. This war is not popular in Russia.
https://t.me/strelkovii/4346?single
Elsewhere Girken has made the point that all the press ganged Ukranian troops on Russia's side are already dead - replaced with Russian troops. (We already knew this, I guess.)
https://t.me/strelkovii/4346?single
Elsewhere Girken has made the point that all the press ganged Ukranian troops on Russia's side are already dead - replaced with Russian troops. (We already knew this, I guess.)
TTmonkey said:
China doesn’t invade with tanks and missiles. It uses new roads, bridges, railways, and other infrastructure projects, backed by cheap yet un repayable loans.
A bit more appealing than Russian tactics.
Exactly. They will "build partnerships" with the stans and Siberia in exchange for access to materials, etcA bit more appealing than Russian tactics.
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