Lee Anderson MP
Discussion
Ashfordian said:
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Overall, Parliament needs more MP's like him but he was in the Parliament that got the Covid response so wrong which has created most of the current problems in the country, so I will be happy to see him lose his job at the next election.
The problem with that argument is that the Tories will be replaced by Labour (and the SNP) who wanted even stronger/longer Covid restrictions than the Tories did. Careful what you wish for....Overall, Parliament needs more MP's like him but he was in the Parliament that got the Covid response so wrong which has created most of the current problems in the country, so I will be happy to see him lose his job at the next election.
And IIRC from his regular slot on Talk TV, Lee Anderson was something of a critic of restrictions/lockdowns/masks; partly why I like him and generally approve of the man.
Brave Fart said:
Ashfordian said:
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Overall, Parliament needs more MP's like him but he was in the Parliament that got the Covid response so wrong which has created most of the current problems in the country, so I will be happy to see him lose his job at the next election.
The problem with that argument is that the Tories will be replaced by Labour (and the SNP) who wanted even stronger/longer Covid restrictions than the Tories did. Careful what you wish for....Overall, Parliament needs more MP's like him but he was in the Parliament that got the Covid response so wrong which has created most of the current problems in the country, so I will be happy to see him lose his job at the next election.
And IIRC from his regular slot on Talk TV, Lee Anderson was something of a critic of restrictions/lockdowns/masks; partly why I like him and generally approve of the man.
I personally do not care on the colour of the party that replaces the current incumbent, just as long as they are replaced. The only way MP's will learn from this episode is if they lose their seats. I will personally be voting tactically to give this the best chance of happening in my constituency (plus writing to send incumbent to confirm that why I am doing this).
Ashfordian said:
His views do not fit with the MSM narrative, so now he has been promoted to a high position in Government the media will now try and bring him down.
His views are made up completely based on what he thinks might be beneficial for him. If you want self serving idiots then admire away but don’t pretend they are better than anyone else. BoRED S2upid said:
ZedLeg said:
Ah, I remember him from that food bank tweet. Utter clown.
Has a point on the death penalty though. Nobody that has been hung went on to reoffend. Agree though he’s a clown. 30p for a meal unless it’s soup that’s going to be a struggle.
Ashfordian said:
His views do not fit with the MSM narrative, so now he has been promoted to a high position in Government the media will now try and bring him down.
By giving him airtime to spout his nonsense? Seems fair.Ashfordian said:
Overall, Parliament needs more MP's like him
No it doesn't. We need more smart, articulate and effective people that can try to get the country back together after the last several years.Not people that lie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LmS9CzAY_s) and spout divisive nonsense (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-candidate-lee-anderson-nuisance-tenants-ashfield-general-election-a9209136.html) or fail basic logic (BBC Nottingham interview in which he tried to explain away his lying by asking the journalist whether they had ever lied) or just make stuff up (30 pence meals). Nor people that fail to understand why food bank usage might be needed in some circumstances but not others (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11654101/Lee-Andersons-parliamentary-aide-attended-33-000-year-private-school.html). Having such a man in an elevated role in the party is extraordinary.
If you think we need people like this in Parliament then just wow. It's the last gasping breath of the end of this Tory run. I do not understand the appointment even if it is to try to secure more red wall votes or from people that worry about boats.
BoRED S2upid said:
ZedLeg said:
Ah, I remember him from that food bank tweet. Utter clown.
Has a point on the death penalty though. Nobody that has been hung went on to reoffend. Agree though he’s a clown. 30p for a meal unless it’s soup that’s going to be a struggle.
pghstochaj said:
Ashfordian said:
His views do not fit with the MSM narrative, so now he has been promoted to a high position in Government the media will now try and bring him down.
By giving him airtime to spout his nonsense? Seems fair.Ashfordian said:
Overall, Parliament needs more MP's like him
No it doesn't. We need more smart, articulate and effective people that can try to get the country back together after the last several years.Not people that lie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LmS9CzAY_s) and spout divisive nonsense (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-candidate-lee-anderson-nuisance-tenants-ashfield-general-election-a9209136.html) or fail basic logic (BBC Nottingham interview in which he tried to explain away his lying by asking the journalist whether they had ever lied) or just make stuff up (30 pence meals). Nor people that fail to understand why food bank usage might be needed in some circumstances but not others (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11654101/Lee-Andersons-parliamentary-aide-attended-33-000-year-private-school.html). Having such a man in an elevated role in the party is extraordinary.
If you think we need people like this in Parliament then just wow. It's the last gasping breath of the end of this Tory run. I do not understand the appointment even if it is to try to secure more red wall votes or from people that worry about boats.
ks. Certainly feels like the latter to me but I will change my mind when/if the this is proven.I don't excuse or deny his lying, but I also don't say that everything he says is wrong, as others are doing just because of the colour of his rosette!
Are you saying 'salt of the earth' working class northerners are not smart or effective? They may not articulate in the way you personally want them to, but I want a parliament that represents are broad base of people from the UK. Someone dropping the odd f' bombs in parliament to highlight the stupidity or lying of someone else in the house(there are almost unlimited examples here) would definitely be refreshing and would quickly improve on some of the nonsense that is spoken in there.
Ashfordian said:
Are you saying 'salt of the earth' working class northerners are not smart or effective? They may not articulate in the way you personally want them to, but I want a parliament that represents are broad base of people from the UK. Someone dropping the odd f' bombs in parliament to highlight the stupidity or lying of someone else in the house(there are almost unlimited examples here) would definitely be refreshing and would quickly improve on some of the nonsense that is spoken in there.
An Angela Rayner fan then, are you?Ashfordian said:
Are you saying 'salt of the earth' working class northerners are not smart or effective? They may not articulate in the way you personally want them to, but I want a parliament that represents are broad base of people from the UK.
Plenty of 'salt of the earth' working class Northerners (Nottinghamshire is in the Midlands BTW) go onto glittering careers and make a huge difference. Unfortunately Lee Anderson is not one of them, he's just a very vocal gobste with dubious 'acquaintances'.I'm sure he's very popular with the kind of people impressed that a 'salt of the earth person' can 'stick it to the man', personally it feels like he's been positioned (by the bigger boys) to be the fall guy for the Tory party failures at the next election. He's like Donitz being made Leader of the 3rd Reich just before the fall of Berlin...
Tories became UKIP long ago. Quite wretched bunch. I mean there is that base level of terribleness about MPs that all have, but many Tories layer it on.
Yes, why dont these nurses on 12-14 hour shifts pop in to the large supermarkets that are probably not on the way home and a big diversion between the hospital and their flat on the outskirts, and enjoy a browse of the aisles, picking out some lovely recipes. In fact have a chat with staff whilst you are there, enjoy the experience. Then pop home, maybe put on some nice music, spend an hour or so in the kitchen preparing your 30p meal of own label tinned vegetables, then get a nice 2 hours sleep before your next shift.
Guy lives in a different world to most. Cannot see beyond his ideals, talks crap but gets held up by the usual xenephobes/nationalists etc. as 'he speaks his mind' lot that think because he supports their views everyone else should conform to them.
Politics, well beyond broken, at least there used to be some unwritten rules of conduct, now its a free for all for any muppet.
Yes, why dont these nurses on 12-14 hour shifts pop in to the large supermarkets that are probably not on the way home and a big diversion between the hospital and their flat on the outskirts, and enjoy a browse of the aisles, picking out some lovely recipes. In fact have a chat with staff whilst you are there, enjoy the experience. Then pop home, maybe put on some nice music, spend an hour or so in the kitchen preparing your 30p meal of own label tinned vegetables, then get a nice 2 hours sleep before your next shift.
Guy lives in a different world to most. Cannot see beyond his ideals, talks crap but gets held up by the usual xenephobes/nationalists etc. as 'he speaks his mind' lot that think because he supports their views everyone else should conform to them.
Politics, well beyond broken, at least there used to be some unwritten rules of conduct, now its a free for all for any muppet.
Sunak really does appear to be the worst judge of character in decades or utterly weak and beholden to the far right. Or both. Neither is a recipe for winning.
Which again leads me to question what he is up to. Seems like he deliberately wants to lose big so he can move on to more lucrative pastures.
Which again leads me to question what he is up to. Seems like he deliberately wants to lose big so he can move on to more lucrative pastures.
coldel said:
Yes, why dont these nurses on 12-14 hour shifts pop in to the large supermarkets that are probably not on the way home and a big diversion between the hospital and their flat on the outskirts, and enjoy a browse of the aisles, picking out some lovely recipes. In fact have a chat with staff whilst you are there, enjoy the experience. Then pop home, maybe put on some nice music, spend an hour or so in the kitchen preparing your 30p meal of own label tinned vegetables, then get a nice 2 hours sleep before your next shift.
Guy lives in a different world to most. Cannot see beyond his ideals, talks crap but gets held up by the usual xenephobes/nationalists etc. as 'he speaks his mind' lot that think because he supports their views everyone else should conform to them.
Politics, well beyond broken, at least there used to be some unwritten rules of conduct, now its a free for all for any muppet.
A nurse on a 12 hour shift has a choice of working three days a week according to a nursing website and many do. So could prepare a meal on one of the four non working days and freeze it or keep in the fridge?Guy lives in a different world to most. Cannot see beyond his ideals, talks crap but gets held up by the usual xenephobes/nationalists etc. as 'he speaks his mind' lot that think because he supports their views everyone else should conform to them.
Politics, well beyond broken, at least there used to be some unwritten rules of conduct, now its a free for all for any muppet.
I think that a conversation about the cost of home cooking versus the alternatives is valid, particularly with rising living costs. 30p a meal is unlikely but certainly £5 a day for an adult can be achieved.
cgt2 said:
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Which again leads me to question what he is up to. Seems like he deliberately wants to lose big so he can move on to more lucrative pastures.
I think the answer is that he (Rishi Sunak) is trying to present a reasonably united party to the electorate as the election approaches. Given that Greg Hands is an ex-banker and a Remainer, Sunak may have reasoned that Lee Anderson - an ex-miner and Brexiteer in a 'red wall' seat - offers balance. A way, perhaps, of keeping opposing factions of the Tory party happy.Which again leads me to question what he is up to. Seems like he deliberately wants to lose big so he can move on to more lucrative pastures.
Whether it'll work or not is open to debate, but Sunak probably thinks that the best chance of minimising the Tories' losses at the next election is to project an image of stability and unity. The last thing Sunak needs is open warfare in his own party, although personally I think that's exactly what we'll see as their inevitable defeat looms large.
JagLover said:
A nurse on a 12 hour shift has a choice of working three days a week according to a nursing website and many do. So could prepare a meal on one of the four non working days and freeze it or keep in the fridge?
I think that a conversation about the cost of home cooking versus the alternatives is valid, particularly with rising living costs. 30p a meal is unlikely but certainly £5 a day for an adult can be achieved.
Agreed, and it's worth noting that the 30 pence thing was proved to Lee Anderson - who doubted it was possible - by a chef in Anderson's constituency. That was, of course, before the recent inflation.I think that a conversation about the cost of home cooking versus the alternatives is valid, particularly with rising living costs. 30p a meal is unlikely but certainly £5 a day for an adult can be achieved.
Anderson went on to suggest that cookery lessons and help with budgeting would be a valuable thing to offer to those on modest incomes. Quite why that attracts so much vitriol escapes me. As you say, it's a valid conversation.
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