Gary Lineker

[turbobloke]

Blue62 said:

It's good that you took the time to post that, hopefully some will take the time to read it with an open mind......then again.

It is; however one of the points regarding Kulturbolschewismus is less secure than suggested, I don't have time right now to look into more.

The first aspect of Kulturbolschewismus is that it's been regarded as an artistic term historically as much as if not more than a political term, while the second is that cultural marxism as a political theme dates back - according to a history Prof at Yale - more than a century, to before the formation of the German Workers' Party in 1919.

If the above is suspected of being fiction, it isn't, however as the comments being addressed weren't referenced, it all needs checking out just as much as what I've posted needs checking out.

I'm not defending anyone or anything, a common labelling technique as used in the Boris thread to attack anyone not slavishly following the hype. The above points are for further discussion, or not if nobody is interested.

[crankedup5]

Gweeds said:

crankedup5 said:

Next you will be telling me it’s all lies, leftie lawyers haven’t been all over the proposals doing their best to thwart Government proposals.

You’re doing all my work for me here. Even the poorest in mooting would chew you up

And yet you have no reply other than a stale trope.

[crankedup5]

Electro1980 said:

crankedup5 said:

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

You’re certainly not winning me over to your side of this division, and that is what matters isn’t it ?

How many minds do you think you've changed?

Strange, I haven’t set out to change anybodies mindset, why would I want or need to do that when my elected Government has the issue as a manifesto promise?

What manifesto promise was that?

https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan

That comes under the third bullet point on the link that you provided, thanks.

The third point is about a points based immigration system. Absolutely nothing to do with asylum seekers. Which is covered briefly elsewhere when the tory promise to maintain the obligation under international treaties.

Nope, it includes control of our borders, what’s so difficult in that simple concept that you fail to understand?

“An Australian-style points-based system to control immigration.”

Absolutely nothing to do with asylum seekers. If anyone read that as being about asylum seekers they probably shouldn’t be voting.

And yet the reality is our Government is set to ‘stop the small boats’. That’s the reality.

[crankedup5]

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

You’re certainly not winning me over to your side of this division, and that is what matters isn’t it ?

How many minds do you think you've changed?

Strange, I haven’t set out to change anybodies mindset, why would I want or need to do that when my elected Government has the issue as a manifesto promise?

What manifesto promise was that?

https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan

That comes under the third bullet point on the link that you provided, thanks.

The third point is about a points based immigration system. Absolutely nothing to do with asylum seekers. Which is covered briefly elsewhere when the tory promise to maintain the obligation under international treaties.

Nope, it includes control of our borders, what’s so difficult in that simple concept that you fail to understand?

Cranks the policy is about control of immigration it makes no mention of asylum seekers. The policy on asylum seekers is that the government will abide by its treaty obligations.

It's not complex.

My interest is seeing the Government deliver on its promise ‘to control our borders’. I support genuine asylum seekers, as I have examples numerous times. It’s not complicated.

[Gweeds]

crankedup5 said:

And yet the reality is our Government is set to ‘stop the small boats’. That’s the reality.

Quoted for posterity.

[crankedup5]

Gweeds said:

crankedup5 said:

And yet the reality is our Government is set to ‘stop the small boats’. That’s the reality.

Quoted for posterity.

It’s all over National media and the majority of the electorate support ‘stopping the boats’. The Government have hung their hat on this coat hook. I’m one of the millions of people who want to see Government ‘stop the small boats’.

[monthou]

crankedup5 said:

And yet the reality is our Government is set to ‘stop the small boats’. That’s the reality.

When's that going to happen?

[Blue62]

turbobloke said:

It is; however one of the points regarding Kulturbolschewismus is less secure than suggested, I don't have time right now to look into more.

The first aspect of Kulturbolschewismus is that it's been regarded as an artistic term historically as much as if not more than a political term, while the second is that cultural marxism as a political theme dates back - according to a history Prof at Yale - more than a century, to before the formation of the German Workers' Party in 1919.

If the above is suspected of being fiction, it isn't, however as the comments being addressed weren't referenced, it all needs checking out just as much as what I've posted needs checking out.

I'm not defending anyone or anything, a common labelling technique as used in the Boris thread to attack anyone not slavishly following the hype. The above points are for further discussion, or not if nobody is interested.

I think the ambiguity is accepted in relation to the origins of the term, but it doesn’t really change the overall context or the point that Lineker was simply highlighting that the language and style were not dissimilar. I personally think that’s a fair and accurate description, you may not.

[crankedup5]

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

And yet the reality is our Government is set to ‘stop the small boats’. That’s the reality.

When's that going to happen?

Government are now advising this Summer, and yes I am anxious to see the implementation.

[monthou]

crankedup5 said:

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

And yet the reality is our Government is set to ‘stop the small boats’. That’s the reality.

When's that going to happen?

Government are now advising this Summer, and yes I am anxious to see the implementation.

I think you have a different understanding of 'the reality' to me.

[crankedup5]

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

And yet the reality is our Government is set to ‘stop the small boats’. That’s the reality.

When's that going to happen?

Government are now advising this Summer, and yes I am anxious to see the implementation.

I think you have a different understanding of 'the reality' to me.

Home Sec’ has spent the last few days in Rwanda ‘selling’ the proposal and explaining the issues.
I accept that some people will never believe that what the Government have decided to implement will come to fruition. I on the other hand am confident of the proposal being fully implemented.
Failure will see my G.E. vote move away from Conservative.

[monthou]

crankedup5 said:

Home Sec’ has spent the last few days in Rwanda ‘selling’ the proposal and explaining the issues.
I accept that some people will never believe that what the Government have decided to implement will come to fruition. I on the other hand am confident of the proposal being fully implemented.
Failure will see my G.E. vote move away from Conservative.

In which direction?

[crankedup5]

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

Home Sec’ has spent the last few days in Rwanda ‘selling’ the proposal and explaining the issues.
I accept that some people will never believe that what the Government have decided to implement will come to fruition. I on the other hand am confident of the proposal being fully implemented.
Failure will see my G.E. vote move away from Conservative.

In which direction?

I will vote for ‘The Reform Party’ , or Raving Loony Party. maybe not much between them

[monthou]

crankedup5 said:

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

Home Sec’ has spent the last few days in Rwanda ‘selling’ the proposal and explaining the issues.
I accept that some people will never believe that what the Government have decided to implement will come to fruition. I on the other hand am confident of the proposal being fully implemented.
Failure will see my G.E. vote move away from Conservative.

In which direction?

I will vote for ‘The Reform Party’ , or Raving Loony Party. maybe not much between them

That'll show 'em for being soft on refugees.

[captain_cynic]

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

And yet the reality is our Government is set to ‘stop the small boats’. That’s the reality.

When's that going to happen?

Government are now advising this Summer, and yes I am anxious to see the implementation.

I think you have a different understanding of 'the reality' to me.

Australia went though this in 2013. Very quickly did Tony Abbott realise he couldn't stop the boats... So he made it illegal to report on them. Anyone who knows anyone at Christmas Island knows it's busier than ever.

So the Tories will have an embarrassing U-Turn, an even more embarrassing failure or a completely humiliating expose.on this pathetic soundbyte from a decade ago.

The irony is that it's the lack of reporting that heavily contributed to the LNPs demise in 21... Without the Murdoch media shouting BOAT BOAT BOATY BOATBOATBOAT, everyone forgot about them.

[Mrr T]

crankedup5 said:

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

Mrr T said:

crankedup5 said:

monthou said:

crankedup5 said:

You’re certainly not winning me over to your side of this division, and that is what matters isn’t it ?

How many minds do you think you've changed?

Strange, I haven’t set out to change anybodies mindset, why would I want or need to do that when my elected Government has the issue as a manifesto promise?

What manifesto promise was that?

https://www.conservatives.com/our-plan

That comes under the third bullet point on the link that you provided, thanks.

The third point is about a points based immigration system. Absolutely nothing to do with asylum seekers. Which is covered briefly elsewhere when the tory promise to maintain the obligation under international treaties.

Nope, it includes control of our borders, what’s so difficult in that simple concept that you fail to understand?

Cranks the policy is about control of immigration it makes no mention of asylum seekers. The policy on asylum seekers is that the government will abide by its treaty obligations.

It's not complex.

My interest is seeing the Government deliver on its promise ‘to control our borders’. I support genuine asylum seekers, as I have examples numerous times. It’s not complicated.

The manifesto promise on borders was to track those crossing the border. Which is a bit odd since the UK has one border about 300 miles long with no controls at all.

It's good you are now prepared to welcome all the genuine asylum seekers arriving by boat, which is likely to be most of them. That a big change of heart. I guess Gary's words changed you mind.

[bitchstewie]

Oh everyone supports genuine asylum seekers.

Just don't ask them whether they're secretly quite content that there are so few official routes here to claim asylum.

[chrispmartha]

crankedup5 said:

My interest is seeing the Government deliver on its promise ‘to control our borders’. I support genuine asylum seekers, as I have examples numerous times. It’s not complicated.

You ‘support’ genuine asylum seekers by wanting them to be arrested and flown to Rwanda?

Strange way of supporting them.

[Gweeds]

chrispmartha said:

You ‘support’ genuine asylum seekers by wanting them to be arrested and flown to Rwanda?

Strange way of supporting them.

But remember it’s a paradise and anyone sent there should feel ‘blessed’.

[turbobloke]

Gweeds said:

chrispmartha said:

You ‘support’ genuine asylum seekers by wanting them to be arrested and flown to Rwanda?

Strange way of supporting them.

But remember it’s a paradise and anyone sent there should feel ‘blessed’.

It looks like you forgot to mention the sunny uplands.