Discussion
E63eeeeee... said:
What, and then it will just go away, will it? I cancel my direct debit and the UK no longer has a state broadcaster?
It’ll remove itself from your viewing platform If you feel so strongly about the BBC then this is absolutely what you should do, I can’t see the problem.
Everyone is missing the point. This is not about Govt policies.
This is about Gary Lineker VS HMRC. There is an upcoming court case.
Gary Lineker is not an employee of the BBC.
He is a contractor who provides his services through his own Ltd company, which has tax advantages - especially will the money he is charging.
Gary is simply spouting off at repeated intervals stuff that would not be acceptable if he were an employee of the BBC
All this simply is Gary proving that he can do things than an employee cannot do, and Auntie reciprocating that Gary Lineker is not an employee and is indeed an independent contractor.
It's a simple mechanism to prove he is not an employee.
This is about Gary Lineker VS HMRC. There is an upcoming court case.
Gary Lineker is not an employee of the BBC.
He is a contractor who provides his services through his own Ltd company, which has tax advantages - especially will the money he is charging.
Gary is simply spouting off at repeated intervals stuff that would not be acceptable if he were an employee of the BBC
All this simply is Gary proving that he can do things than an employee cannot do, and Auntie reciprocating that Gary Lineker is not an employee and is indeed an independent contractor.
It's a simple mechanism to prove he is not an employee.
Edited by Jenny Tailor on Friday 10th March 20:57
GT3Manthey said:
Can’t help thinking he could have just said -“ I’m sorry if my comments offended some “ and moved on
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64920557
Interesting, but not surprising, to see the reaction from many to this and how the same people reacted differently to the Andrew Bridgen tweet!https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64920557
From my reading of both tweets, Gary Lineker compared a subject to that of Nazi Germany, while Andrew Bridgen quoted someone who said this is the worst decision since the Holocaust.
The cognitive dissonance on display
Jenny Tailor said:
Everyone is missing the point. This is not about Govt policies.
This is about Gary Lineker VS HMRC. There is an upcoming court case.
Gary Lineker is not an employee of the BBC.
He is a contractor who provides his services through his own Ltd company, which has tax advantages - especially will the money he is charging.
Gary is simply spouting off at repeated intervals stuff that would not be acceptable if he were an employee of the BBC
All this simply is Gary proving that he can do things than an employee cannot do, and Auntie reciprocating that Gary Lineker is not an employee and is indeed an independent contractor.
It's a simple mechanism to prove he is not an employee.
Is that not the wrong way around though? Would they not be better off letting him say what he wants in order to prove that he is not bound by the same rules as an employee?This is about Gary Lineker VS HMRC. There is an upcoming court case.
Gary Lineker is not an employee of the BBC.
He is a contractor who provides his services through his own Ltd company, which has tax advantages - especially will the money he is charging.
Gary is simply spouting off at repeated intervals stuff that would not be acceptable if he were an employee of the BBC
All this simply is Gary proving that he can do things than an employee cannot do, and Auntie reciprocating that Gary Lineker is not an employee and is indeed an independent contractor.
It's a simple mechanism to prove he is not an employee.
Edited by Jenny Tailor on Friday 10th March 20:57
FactoryBacked said:
Jenny Tailor said:
Everyone is missing the point. This is not about Govt policies.
This is about Gary Lineker VS HMRC. There is an upcoming court case.
Gary Lineker is not an employee of the BBC.
He is a contractor who provides his services through his own Ltd company, which has tax advantages - especially will the money he is charging.
Gary is simply spouting off at repeated intervals stuff that would not be acceptable if he were an employee of the BBC
All this simply is Gary proving that he can do things than an employee cannot do, and Auntie reciprocating that Gary Lineker is not an employee and is indeed an independent contractor.
It's a simple mechanism to prove he is not an employee.
Is that not the wrong way around though? Would they not be better off letting him say what he wants in order to prove that he is not bound by the same rules as an employee?This is about Gary Lineker VS HMRC. There is an upcoming court case.
Gary Lineker is not an employee of the BBC.
He is a contractor who provides his services through his own Ltd company, which has tax advantages - especially will the money he is charging.
Gary is simply spouting off at repeated intervals stuff that would not be acceptable if he were an employee of the BBC
All this simply is Gary proving that he can do things than an employee cannot do, and Auntie reciprocating that Gary Lineker is not an employee and is indeed an independent contractor.
It's a simple mechanism to prove he is not an employee.
Edited by Jenny Tailor on Friday 10th March 20:57
Jenny Tailor said:
Everyone is missing the point. This is not about Govt policies.
This is about Gary Lineker VS HMRC. There is an upcoming court case.
Gary Lineker is not an employee of the BBC.
He is a contractor who provides his services through his own Ltd company, which has tax advantages - especially will the money he is charging.
Gary is simply spouting off at repeated intervals stuff that would not be acceptable if he were an employee of the BBC
All this simply is Gary proving that he can do things than an employee cannot do, and Auntie reciprocating that Gary Lineker is not an employee and is indeed an independent contractor.
It's a simple mechanism to prove he is not an employee.
What utter nonsense, did you actually think about that before parroting it.This is about Gary Lineker VS HMRC. There is an upcoming court case.
Gary Lineker is not an employee of the BBC.
He is a contractor who provides his services through his own Ltd company, which has tax advantages - especially will the money he is charging.
Gary is simply spouting off at repeated intervals stuff that would not be acceptable if he were an employee of the BBC
All this simply is Gary proving that he can do things than an employee cannot do, and Auntie reciprocating that Gary Lineker is not an employee and is indeed an independent contractor.
It's a simple mechanism to prove he is not an employee.
Edited by Jenny Tailor on Friday 10th March 20:57
Mr Penguin said:
One of the conditions of working for the BBC is that you don't publicly wade into politics. He has done it numerous times and is insistent that he will not be complying with his employers policies. Any organisation should be looking to move someone like that on.
Agree. He is an employee. Has to take the consequences of his actions whilst in the role . He should have just left that responsibility if he can't keep his opinions to himself. He forced this situation and will now have to accepted the outcome. Mr Penguin said:
One of the conditions of working for the BBC is that you don't publicly wade into politics. He has done it numerous times and is insistent that he will not be complying with his employers policies. Any organisation should be looking to move someone like that on.
Alan Sugar, who presents The Apprentice on BBC, is tweeting constantly anti union, anti Labour. pro govt s
t on a regular basis. He's waging a one man war against Mick Lynch. But strangely enough, the Daily Mail haven't run a front page story on it, the govt haven't complained to the BBC and the BBC haven't asked him to apologise or stop. I can't help thinking this isn't about BBC employees having political views, it's about having the wrong political views.
Also, it's been widely reported that GL compared govt policy on refugees to Germany in the 30s. He didn't. He compared the language the govt has used to the language used in 30s Germany. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Bravermann was quick to ridicule his comments, but she wasn't so quick to ridicule the comments of a daughter of a holocaust victim when she made exactly the same point a couple of months ago.
Well this is going well for them.
BBC to air Match of the Day without presenters after Gary Lineker’s suspension
BBC to air Match of the Day without presenters after Gary Lineker’s suspension
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Alan Sugar, who presents The Apprentice on BBC, is tweeting constantly anti union, anti Labour. pro govt st on a regular basis. He's waging a one man war against Mick Lynch. But strangely enough, the Daily Mail haven't run a front page story on it, the govt haven't complained to the BBC and the BBC haven't asked him to apologise or stop.
I can't help thinking this isn't about BBC employees having political views, it's about having the wrong political views.
Also, it's been widely reported that GL compared govt policy on refugees to Germany in the 30s. He didn't. He compared the language the govt has used to the language used in 30s Germany. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Bravermann was quick to ridicule his comments, but she wasn't so quick to ridicule the comments of a daughter of a holocaust victim when she made exactly the same point a couple of months ago.
I don't read Twitter, and if I did then I wouldn't follow Sugar or Lineker. But I do think that you can generally get away with things much more easily if you don't compare people to Nazis, because that gets a lot more attention (beyond his first tweet of "this is beyond awful").t on a regular basis. He's waging a one man war against Mick Lynch. But strangely enough, the Daily Mail haven't run a front page story on it, the govt haven't complained to the BBC and the BBC haven't asked him to apologise or stop. I can't help thinking this isn't about BBC employees having political views, it's about having the wrong political views.
Also, it's been widely reported that GL compared govt policy on refugees to Germany in the 30s. He didn't. He compared the language the govt has used to the language used in 30s Germany. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Bravermann was quick to ridicule his comments, but she wasn't so quick to ridicule the comments of a daughter of a holocaust victim when she made exactly the same point a couple of months ago.
Somehow, I doubt that being a bit of a lefty is a problem at the BBC and I think it's more about how he says it. If it's a ploy to prove that he is not an employee then it would explain why he is so keen to inflame it and force the issue.
The BBC should be abolished, but if it must stay around then it should be politically neutral in the same way as the civil service is.
Out of curiosity, what are the words he has a problem with?
Ashfordian said:
Interesting, but not surprising, to see the reaction from many to this and how the same people reacted differently to the Andrew Bridgen tweet!
From my reading of both tweets, Gary Lineker compared a subject to that of Nazi Germany, while Andrew Bridgen quoted someone who said this is the worst decision since the Holocaust.
The cognitive dissonance on display
My god you’re thick. From my reading of both tweets, Gary Lineker compared a subject to that of Nazi Germany, while Andrew Bridgen quoted someone who said this is the worst decision since the Holocaust.
The cognitive dissonance on display
You seem to have no idea about what Lineker said nor what that idiot Bridgen said.
Bridgen quoted nobody. They were his words. The ‘biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust’.
In case you’ve forgotten.
Don’t be sidelined by the ‘ a consultant cardiologist told me’ b
ks. Lineker likened the language of the government to the language of the 1930’s German government.
He did not compare policies.
‘The worst decision since the Holocaust’
Did you really write that??
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Alan Sugar, who presents The Apprentice on BBC, is tweeting constantly anti union, anti Labour. pro govt st on a regular basis. He's waging a one man war against Mick Lynch. But strangely enough, the Daily Mail haven't run a front page story on it, the govt haven't complained to the BBC and the BBC haven't asked him to apologise or stop.
I can't help thinking this isn't about BBC employees having political views, it's about having the wrong political views.
Also, it's been widely reported that GL compared govt policy on refugees to Germany in the 30s. He didn't. He compared the language the govt has used to the language used in 30s Germany. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Bravermann was quick to ridicule his comments, but she wasn't so quick to ridicule the comments of a daughter of a holocaust victim when she made exactly the same point a couple of months ago.
All good points. The impartial BBC appears to be incredibly contradictory, as you say. Look how it handled, and continues to handle, various high-profile abuse scandals from their employees / contractors over the years which have been swept under the carpet, yet an empathetic comment from an ex-footballer gets seized up on immediately.t on a regular basis. He's waging a one man war against Mick Lynch. But strangely enough, the Daily Mail haven't run a front page story on it, the govt haven't complained to the BBC and the BBC haven't asked him to apologise or stop. I can't help thinking this isn't about BBC employees having political views, it's about having the wrong political views.
Also, it's been widely reported that GL compared govt policy on refugees to Germany in the 30s. He didn't. He compared the language the govt has used to the language used in 30s Germany. That's not an opinion, it's a fact.
Bravermann was quick to ridicule his comments, but she wasn't so quick to ridicule the comments of a daughter of a holocaust victim when she made exactly the same point a couple of months ago.
Just this week it defended Fiona Bruce who trivialised Stanley Johnson breaking his wife's nose. Fiona Bruce, ambassador for a national domestic abuse charity.
Even David Attenborough isn't immune from their paymaster's agendas with the controversy surrounding his new Wild Isles series.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Well this is going well for them.
BBC to air Match of the Day without presenters after Gary Lineker’s suspension
https://youtu.be/f1Ktce51GAABBC to air Match of the Day without presenters after Gary Lineker’s suspension
I don't like football but I think this is going to be popular.
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