France in turmoil (again)

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nickfrog

20,874 posts

216 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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SpeckledJim said:
"Bof. Je want mon money. Mon children must le payer. Peppa le cochon, come ici, it is temps to meet votre maker"


(sorry again, Miles)
rofl

It's a good summary, sadly.

Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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CrgT16 said:
The government will never allow you to flourish up a certain point. You earn more you pay more so you are not incentivised to work more and become under a certain threshold. There is a convergence of income up to a point where you can break that limit and then become wealthy paying in effect less tax than the lesser man.

Sounds conspiracy theory but look carefully how the tax system works and the really wealthy pay less tax proportionally than everyone else and they will lobby to keep it that way.
100% this Rishi legally paid 22% tax. I similar income to Starmer pay closer to 50%

Earthdweller

Original Poster:

13,432 posts

125 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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King Charles’ state visit to France next week is …. Postponed


Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Earthdweller said:
King Charles’ state visit to France next week is …. Postponed
Cos it appears most of France is on fire....why are we so meek in the UK

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Gecko1978 said:
Earthdweller said:
King Charles’ state visit to France next week is …. Postponed
Cos it appears most of France is on fire....why are we so meek in the UK
Meek is a reasonable word. You could also go with 'not such a bunch of screamy-abdabs, stampy-foot, head-in-the-sand, mard-arses'

They can't afford to do it the way they do it. After the fires have died down and we've all tidied-up, that'll still be the case.

Whoever follows Macron can thank him for being the one to rip the plaster off.

valiant

10,069 posts

159 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Gecko1978 said:
Earthdweller said:
King Charles’ state visit to France next week is …. Postponed
Cos it appears most of France is on fire....why are we so meek in the UK
Oi! I signed a .gov petition and made a sarky comment on the MailOnline.

That’ll learn them…

loafer123

15,404 posts

214 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Gecko1978 said:
CrgT16 said:
The government will never allow you to flourish up a certain point. You earn more you pay more so you are not incentivised to work more and become under a certain threshold. There is a convergence of income up to a point where you can break that limit and then become wealthy paying in effect less tax than the lesser man.

Sounds conspiracy theory but look carefully how the tax system works and the really wealthy pay less tax proportionally than everyone else and they will lobby to keep it that way.
100% this Rishi legally paid 22% tax. I similar income to Starmer pay closer to 50%
Didn’t he legally pay 22% tax in the U.K. because he was also paying tax in the US, and the double tax treaty means you don’t pay twice?

S600BSB

4,281 posts

105 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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At least the country will be spared a visit from Charlie.

Legacywr

12,017 posts

187 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I guess the boat people are actually escaping a war zone now...

ettore

4,119 posts

251 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Gecko1978 said:
100% this Rishi legally paid 22% tax. I similar income to Starmer pay closer to 50%
You need to look (and possibly think) about that a little more. Neither is correct.

croyde

22,705 posts

229 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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nickfrog said:
croyde said:
Out of interest, being that the UK state pension is £10k, what is the French one?
It depends but as a rule of thumb it is at least 50% of the average of your salary for your best 25 years, inflation corrected.

Edit: but there is also a minimum of around £9,700 irrespective of whether you have worked or not if you're 65 or over.




Edited by nickfrog on Friday 24th March 10:07
No wonder they are fighting over it.

Using that, my state pension would be nearly 3x what it actually will be.

Dr Murdoch

3,427 posts

134 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Legacywr said:
I guess the boat people are actually escaping a war zone now...
hehe

SpeckledJim

31,608 posts

252 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Dr Murdoch said:
Legacywr said:
I guess the boat people are actually escaping a war zone now...
hehe
Gary Lineker's behind all this! The genius gurning jug-eared puppet-master!

Gecko1978

9,603 posts

156 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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loafer123 said:
Gecko1978 said:
CrgT16 said:
The government will never allow you to flourish up a certain point. You earn more you pay more so you are not incentivised to work more and become under a certain threshold. There is a convergence of income up to a point where you can break that limit and then become wealthy paying in effect less tax than the lesser man.

Sounds conspiracy theory but look carefully how the tax system works and the really wealthy pay less tax proportionally than everyone else and they will lobby to keep it that way.
100% this Rishi legally paid 22% tax. I similar income to Starmer pay closer to 50%
Didn’t he legally pay 22% tax in the U.K. because he was also paying tax in the US, and the double tax treaty means you don’t pay twice?
No he paid CGT which is lower his PAYE is same as mine an yours, as u have just noted double tax so he would not have paid tax in the US he paid it all in the UK

loafer123

15,404 posts

214 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Gecko1978 said:
No he paid CGT which is lower his PAYE is same as mine an yours, as u have just noted double tax so he would not have paid tax in the US he paid it all in the UK
I meant Sunak…looking at the Grauniad is appears he paid another $51,650 in tax over there, so still a relatively low tax rate overall.

Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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It's brilliant and it might get Macron the sack. Its all over the media, 90-100k euro White Gold Patek watch Macron was wearing I believe.

The English translation of the conversation is that he was talking about sacrifices that the French people need to make.


croyde

22,705 posts

229 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Carl_Manchester said:
It's brilliant and it might get Macron the sack. Its all over the media, 90-100k euro White Gold Patek watch Macron was wearing I believe.

The English translation of the conversation is that he was talking about sacrifices that the French people need to make.

Nothing odd there. Always someone super rich telling the proles to tighten their belts.

Bet our lot didn't work a full day only to come home to a freezing flat and just sit and watch telly in winter walking clothes, gloves and hat.

s! the lot of 'em.

Although the argument over there is about a very generous pension that's just no longer affordable, you have to admire the fact that they hit the streets to show their displeasure.

Stuff has happened here in the past 3 years which should have had us on the streets, but we just write to forums, MPs and sign petitions. Gets us nowhere.

We seem to be a cowed populace these days frown

Hugo Stiglitz

37,011 posts

210 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Carl_Manchester said:
It's brilliant and it might get Macron the sack. Its all over the media, 90-100k euro White Gold Patek watch Macron was wearing I believe.

The English translation of the conversation is that he was talking about sacrifices that the French people need to make.

Ouch

Wills2

22,669 posts

174 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Carl_Manchester said:
It's brilliant and it might get Macron the sack. Its all over the media, 90-100k euro White Gold Patek watch Macron was wearing I believe.

The English translation of the conversation is that he was talking about sacrifices that the French people need to make.

Crazy move from him he actually drew attention to it by taking it off...difficult to see what the watch was from that angle but this white gold blue dial and strap Aquanaut would fit the bill @ £40k

https://www.patek.com/en/collection/aquanaut/5168G...

TBF I would expect him to wear such a watch and he needs to just own it, what he did was pathetic.





LHRFlightman

1,930 posts

169 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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croyde said:
Carl_Manchester said:
It's brilliant and it might get Macron the sack. Its all over the media, 90-100k euro White Gold Patek watch Macron was wearing I believe.

The English translation of the conversation is that he was talking about sacrifices that the French people need to make.

Nothing odd there. Always someone super rich telling the proles to tighten their belts.

Bet our lot didn't work a full day only to come home to a freezing flat and just sit and watch telly in winter walking clothes, gloves and hat.

s! the lot of 'em.

Although the argument over there is about a very generous pension that's just no longer affordable, you have to admire the fact that they hit the streets to show their displeasure.

Stuff has happened here in the past 3 years which should have had us on the streets, but we just write to forums, MPs and sign petitions. Gets us nowhere.

We seem to be a cowed populace these days frown
This. We need our own revolution. The average Joe has been shafted for the last 20 years..