Chop if off

[deckster]

rodericb said:

Jeepers.

Anyway, if the people gave consent is it GBH? If not, what'll it be? Practicing medicine without a licence or something?

There was a moderately famous case a while back involving fish hooks at which it was determined that you are legally unable to consent to an act that constitutes GBH. So saying "yes please, cut my bits off" doesn't get the person doing the chopping off the hook. As it were.

[Mercury00]

If you're at a loose end and it's a toss up between watching Love Island or chopping your testicles off, I'm not sure which is the least appealing.

[Faust66]

Tango13 said:

TimmyMallett said:

I wonder if Jason Plato is any good at making crumble?


Wasn't there a Stephen King short story about a surgeon being marooned on an island with no food and a massive amounted of Cocaine? That was a bit dark. I won't spoiler it but it ended up a bit *shiver*

Edited by TimmyMallett on Thursday 23 March 08:58

'Survivor Type' iirc?

Yep. That's the one... excellent story.

Extreme body modification has been a 'thing' for many years. People feel like they need to remove a limb, finger or whatever in order to feel 'at home' in their body.

Body integrity dysphoria

[Gecko1978]

Re GBH you can't consent to physical harm. The case we all learn at uni is R v Brown and others, also known as the spanner case. A group of men consensually whipped each other, used nettles on each other, cut there genitalia with scalpels and eventually one had his penis nailed to a work bench....I guess if love Island is not your thing then this is an alternative.

[Jacobyte]

shih tzu faced said:

Bit daft choppping your whole leg off in one go. Surely better to start just above the ankle to see if you enjoy it and then work up the leg in slices. More enjoyable for you and better value for your punters. Win win!

That reminds me of Horace by Monty Python...


Much to his Mum and Dad's dismay,
Horace ate himself one day.
He didn't stop to say his grace,
He just sat down and ate his face.

"We can't have this!" His Dad declared,
"If that lad's ate, he should be shared."
But even as they spoke they saw,
Horace eating more and more.

First his legs and then his thighs,
His arms, his nose, his hair, his eyes...
"Stop him someone!" Mother cried,
"Those eyeballs would be better fried!"

But all to late, for they were gone,
And he had started on his dong...
"Oh! foolish child!" the father mourns,
"You could have deep fried that with prawns,

Some parsely and some tarter sauce..."
But H. was on his second course:
His liver and his lights and lung,
His ears, his neck, his chin, his tongue;

"To think I raised him from the cot,
And now he's going to scoff the lot!"
His Mother cried: "What shall we do?
What's left won't even make a stew..."

And as she wept her son was seen,
To eat his head, his heart, his spleen.
And there he lay, a boy no more,
Just a stomach, on the floor...

None the less, since it was his,
They ate it - that's what haggis is.

[Ayahuasca]

What? Nah, sausage!

[rodericb]

Gecko1978 said:

Re GBH you can't consent to physical harm. The case we all learn at uni is R v Brown and others, also known as the spanner case. A group of men consensually whipped each other, used nettles on each other, cut there genitalia with scalpels and eventually one had his penis nailed to a work bench....I guess if love Island is not your thing then this is an alternative.

There was a case in Germany about twenty or thirty years ago with people wanting to be killed and eaten (cannibalism). As the luck of the cosmos would have it there was someone willing to meet their needs. There's nowt as queer as folk!

[PurpleTurtle]

I have so many questions about this!

I can't imagine the pain of having your balls cut off voluntarily, presumably without anaesthetic?

Are the people doing this medically trained? One imagines not!

How do they deal with the massive blood loss? Is someone stitching them up, again with no anaesthetic?

Is that part of the kick for those involved, handling the extreme pain?

The mind utterly boggles!

[Gecko1978]

PurpleTurtle said:

I have so many questions about this!

I can't imagine the pain of having your balls cut off voluntarily, presumably without anaesthetic?

Are the people doing this medically trained? One imagines not!

How do they deal with the massive blood loss? Is someone stitching them up, again with no anaesthetic?

Is that part of the kick for those involved, handling the extreme pain?

The mind utterly boggles!

I posted this in the lounge at first as I did not think it proper news a bit odd so more the lounge but, again from R v Brown and a few other cases we read in uni I think I can answer some of your questions


2) cutting stuff off - well you can bind and restrict blood flow plus use ice this will limit pain and blood loss - it will still hurt a lot and can lead to death from extreme blood loss (basically a bad idea)
2) in R v Brown I recall one participant may have been a Vet or a Dr in this case it appears he worked in IT and Hotels (he is on linkedin)
3) Often after people report to A & E and you wonder why there are waiting lists - we read a case about a women who wanted her husband to tattoo his name on her, he branded her with a hot iron but was not convicted it was a tattoo (poor attempt but not intended to cause harm)
4) People find all sorts of things fun sky diving, star gazing, love island and then this, pain humiliation are strong emotions and for some they derive pleasure.

[S600BSB]

ERG members?

[SpudLink]

Gecko1978 said:

Re GBH you can't consent to physical harm. The case we all learn at uni is R v Brown and others, also known as the spanner case. A group of men consensually whipped each other, used nettles on each other, cut there genitalia with scalpels and eventually one had his penis nailed to a work bench....I guess if love Island is not your thing then this is an alternative.

At the time one of the defendants was a near neighbour (his garden backed onto my nextdoor neighbour). I was also acquainted with a couple of his friends.
I never really understood how it is different from piercings or body modification, both of which are accepted. The answer would seem to be public and tabloid outrage because there was a sexual element.

As for this latest case, I haven't clicked on the link because I don't fancy reading the details.

[QJumper]

Gecko1978 said:

Re GBH you can't consent to physical harm. The case we all learn at uni is R v Brown and others, also known as the spanner case. A group of men consensually whipped each other, used nettles on each other, cut there genitalia with scalpels and eventually one had his penis nailed to a work bench....I guess if love Island is not your thing then this is an alternative.

Strange world, isn't it.

Consenting to physical harm is still GBH, unless you call it boxing. Chop an infant's foreskin off for the hell of it and you'lll be locked up, but call it a religious ceremony and it's fair enough.

[Gecko1978]

QJumper said:

Gecko1978 said:

Re GBH you can't consent to physical harm. The case we all learn at uni is R v Brown and others, also known as the spanner case. A group of men consensually whipped each other, used nettles on each other, cut there genitalia with scalpels and eventually one had his penis nailed to a work bench....I guess if love Island is not your thing then this is an alternative.

Strange world, isn't it.

Consenting to physical harm is still GBH, unless you call it boxing. Chop an infant's foreskin off for the hell of it and you'lll be locked up, but call it a religious ceremony and it's fair enough.

another poster has eluded to why this was convicted. Essentially one of the participants was arrested for burglary and when they reviewed stuff in his home found video tapes of these acts. Ear piercing unless done badly does not cause harm the acts they engaged in did cause a lot of pain (pain they wanted but pain non the less) and the objective was to inflict pain. Further i think it was fact people were left scared not to perform a legal act like tattooing or ear piercing but as a result of seeking to cause pain.

But honestly the biggest factor was likely that it was all men and view at the time were such relationships while legal were obscene.

I am not a lawyer so others will have a better idea but when we read the court details it was fairly eye watering but you did wonder why GBH when they wanted to do it. I think the issue is where you have a coercive control relationship a victim might say they wanted something when they did not so making such things a crime seems prudent. Lots of people likely do lots of odd stuff between consenting adults and never get prosecuted.

[andyA700]

The "Nullo" cult has its origins in Japan. Sometimes I read things and wonder what is going on in some people's minds, then I realise that I don't really want to know.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-nu...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullo_(body_modifica...

[KTF]

PurpleTurtle said:

I can't imagine the pain of having your balls cut off voluntarily, presumably without anaesthetic?

I think they go for the rubber band type approach similar to the way that lambs, etc. are castrated rather than the carving knife option.

Regardless, you have to be in some kind of special place to think that this sort of thing is a good idea.

[bloomen]

If consenting adults want to cut bits off each other then good luck to them. I hope it makes them very happy.

I'll always remember some C4 documentary about a 16yr old who wanted his balls cut off. His mother was 'supportive' and paid for the motel room for the strange man to turn up and have them away.

Funnily enough a few months later he wasn't so sure it was the right decision.

[gregs656]

Wasn't there a similar thing that happened in Germany, maybe 10 or 15 years a go? I think in that case there was cannibalism too. I'm sure it was another Channel 4 documentary

[bloomen]

gregs656 said:

Wasn't there a similar thing that happened in Germany, maybe 10 or 15 years a go? I think in that case there was cannibalism too. I'm sure it was another Channel 4 documentary

There was a bloke who advertised for someone to slaughter and eat and he got the response he was looking for.

You'd think someone would've noticed the ad, other than the meal.

[Biggy Stardust]

Gecko1978 said:

https://news.sky.com/story/man-accused-of-filming-...

Basically some bloke's have been chopping bits off an filming it. Ring leader chopped his own leg off

Thanks for the tip.

[paua]

HRL said:

gotoPzero said:

I know, apple crumble is much more suited to breakfast.

Just don’t forget the custard!

When the nuts are removed, production of custard ceases.