World Athletics transgender women ban

World Athletics transgender women ban

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oddman

2,277 posts

251 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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R4 had the Guardian sports correspondent on last night.

Suspect that they thought they might get an argument going by choosing a correspondent from a liberal lefty paper with a record on trans rights (see how their staff hounded out Suzanne Moore)

He said the IOC have chosen the principle of 'fairness' over 'inclusiveness'.

Not exactly a mic drop but a perfect summary for me.

gregs656

10,816 posts

180 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I think most people can follow the research here. I’m
Not surprised by this. Doubt many people are.

MDMA .

8,849 posts

100 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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The sensible thing to do would be to scrap the male/female categories and people as individuals compete to see who is the best/quickest/strongest at any one sport.
Full equality for all.

Gecko1978

9,600 posts

156 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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MDMA . said:
The sensible thing to do would be to scrap the male/female categories and people as individuals compete to see who is the best/quickest/strongest at any one sport.
Full equality for all.
well no because then 50% of the worlds athletes would be locked out of sport

MDMA .

8,849 posts

100 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Gecko1978 said:
MDMA . said:
The sensible thing to do would be to scrap the male/female categories and people as individuals compete to see who is the best/quickest/strongest at any one sport.
Full equality for all.
well no because then 50% of the worlds athletes would be locked out of sport
It is what it is. Women want the same rights/exposer/prize money as men, so why not all compete against each other? Seems fair enough to me.

bennno

11,502 posts

268 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Perhaps they scrap outdated gender categories and just go with very simple to understand 'penis' and 'non penis' categories.


Rufus Stone

6,057 posts

55 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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bennno said:
Perhaps they scrap outdated gender categories and just go with very simple to understand 'penis' and 'non penis' categories.
Would this be just those with penis assigned at birth or include those that acquired one at a later date?

Last Visit

2,796 posts

187 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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That expression 'assigned at birth'. I find it amusing.

My penis was attached to me at birth, there was no assigning involved. It's not like they came around handing them out.

eharding

13,594 posts

283 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Gecko1978 said:
If I identify as Tea Pot I still exist even if you do not agree I am a tea pot.
The trouble arises when I fully embrace your self-identification as a teapot, pour three heaped teaspoons of Lasang Souchong up your nose followed by half a pint of freshly boiled water and expect you to produce several cups of delicious smoky aromatic black tea from your spout.

bitchstewie

50,767 posts

209 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Rufus Stone said:
bennno said:
Perhaps they scrap outdated gender categories and just go with very simple to understand 'penis' and 'non penis' categories.
Would this be just those with penis assigned at birth or include those that acquired one at a later date?
Why do we have to have this rubbish on every single thread on what's a difficult subject to always get right?

The absolute state of you two.

Rufus Stone

6,057 posts

55 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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bhstewie said:
Why do we have to have this rubbish on every single thread on what's a difficult subject to always get right?

The absolute state of you two.
Because life doesn't have to be serious all the time. biggrin

S600BSB

4,258 posts

105 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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bhstewie said:
Rufus Stone said:
bennno said:
Perhaps they scrap outdated gender categories and just go with very simple to understand 'penis' and 'non penis' categories.
Would this be just those with penis assigned at birth or include those that acquired one at a later date?
Why do we have to have this rubbish on every single thread on what's a difficult subject to always get right?

The absolute state of you two.
Well said!

JagLover

42,262 posts

234 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Last Visit said:
That expression 'assigned at birth'. I find it amusing.

My penis was attached to me at birth, there was no assigning involved. It's not like they came around handing them out.
and you can't hand it back to get a bigger one.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

107 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Still obsessed with genitals I see

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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plenty said:
Funny isn't it how both supporters and opponents see the other side as abandoning reason.

And yet, as evidenced on this thread, you have a 'debate' that can be summarised as:

'I support trans people but it's a complex matter and I trust the decision was made carefully.'

Versus

'Finally some sanity in a world gone mad! Trans women aren't women.'

Imagine the comments if the decision had gone the other way.
Funnily enough I don't think a single person has said that.

J4CKO

41,276 posts

199 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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How many male to female trans athletes are there out there ?

This all gets a lot of airtime and I can see why, but are their legions of trans women wanting to compete in various sports ? I have heard of a swimmer and a weightlifter, are there many more ?


Gecko1978

9,600 posts

156 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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eharding said:
Gecko1978 said:
If I identify as Tea Pot I still exist even if you do not agree I am a tea pot.
The trouble arises when I fully embrace your self-identification as a teapot, pour three heaped teaspoons of Lasang Souchong up your nose followed by half a pint of freshly boiled water and expect you to produce several cups of delicious smoky aromatic black tea from your spout.
An this is a dilema faced in other circumastances where you meet a person who looks like a tea pot but then turns out they are infact jut a replica made of chocolate. But if i believe I am a tea pot maybe I can make the same smokey aroma you know and love just dont be so biased and give me a chance

SlimJim16v

5,617 posts

142 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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J4CKO said:
How many male to female trans athletes are there out there ?
A quick look found this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11846123/...

plenty

4,655 posts

185 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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grumbledoak said:
plenty said:
Funny isn't it how both supporters and opponents see the other side as abandoning reason.

And yet, as evidenced on this thread, you have a 'debate' that can be summarised as:

'I support trans people but it's a complex matter and I trust the decision was made carefully.'

Versus

'Finally some sanity in a world gone mad! Trans women aren't women.'

Imagine the comments if the decision had gone the other way.
Funnily enough I don't think a single person has said that.
It's been said about as explicitly as it's possible to say short of outright admitting they're transphobic, so if you've haven't seen it already then I certainly won't convince you otherwise.

J4CKO said:
How many male to female trans athletes are there out there ?

This all gets a lot of airtime and I can see why, but are their legions of trans women wanting to compete in various sports ? I have heard of a swimmer and a weightlifter, are there many more ?
That would be far too rational a topic for this thread.

Rufus Stone said:
bhstewie said:
Why do we have to have this rubbish on every single thread on what's a difficult subject to always get right?

The absolute state of you two.
Because life doesn't have to be serious all the time. biggrin
Perfect example of the quality of the people we're dealing with.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

107 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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SlimJim16v said:
J4CKO said:
How many male to female trans athletes are there out there ?
A quick look found this.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11846123/...
So at least 4 then. Probably not enough for their own categories at the olympics.
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