World Athletics transgender women ban

World Athletics transgender women ban

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JagLover

42,265 posts

234 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Sanity returning to Women's sports and welcome recognition that providing role models in this area is of much greater importance than pandering to fringe pressure groups.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

107 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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ZedLeg said:
On the other hand

They’re mediocre men, big bones, muscle density etc

Can we move on to the next one now?
Guess not laugh

irc

7,166 posts

135 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Show how far it had gone when women's sport being reserved for women makes headlines.

andyA700

2,605 posts

36 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Good! People making sensible decisions at last.

bitchstewie

50,767 posts

209 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Seems perfectly sensible and I'd like to think the governing body have done their homework and consulted which the article suggests they have.

Rufus Stone

6,063 posts

55 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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irc said:
Show how far it had gone when women's sport being reserved for women makes headlines.
Female sport, trans women are women remember.

Randy Winkman

16,014 posts

188 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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bongtom said:
Randy Winkman said:
Lots of people appreciate that gender is a complex issue and might well support all sorts of things relating to the topic but not others. He might think it's a reasonable decision in the same way a total woke like me does.
I don't believe you are a total woke. Woke people just don't say that.

Are you Tyler Durdan faking it?
I'm reclaiming the word. I know a lot of people do appreciate it isn't a negative one.

InitialDave

11,853 posts

118 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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vetrof said:
Female sport restricted to females.
Outrage in 3…2…1….
Supercilious Sid said:
Waits for the crazy gang to wake up (or come on shift)....Tom Daley....not disproportionately affecting results.... 'aligned' with nazis ....assigned at birth....etc.
Edit...I forgot genocide.
Probably not going to happen, it seems like a properly considered decision, and it's probably sensible.

The DSD (differences in sex development) rule change that comes along with it seems maybe more harsh, though. Even aside from whether it's right to apply the rule they have, the time frame means that those subject to it who could have completed in the next world athletics championship now cannot, as it is impossible for them to meet the required metric by then even if they wished to.

chrispmartha

15,360 posts

128 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Randy Winkman said:
Master Of Puppets said:
CoolHands said:
What will keir say
Who cares what he says, it's completely irrelevant to the decision made by World Athletics. They made a ruling that the competing
women will no doubt be delighted to hear.
Lots of people appreciate that gender is a complex issue and might well support all sorts of things relating to the topic but not others. He might think it's a reasonable decision in the same way a total woke like me does.
Precisely

You can agree that it's up to the governing body of a sport to decide who is allowed to participate and still think that Transwomen are women - the two aren't mutually exclusive.

I've no issue with a governing body making these decisions.

Gender is a complex issue and the question that Kier Starmer was asked was a simplistic one and designed as a 'gotcha'

This is what happened.

"Speaking to LBC’s Nick Ferrari during a phone-in, Sir Keir, the Labour leader, was asked multiple times whether or not “a woman can have a penis”.

“I don’t think that discussing this issue in this way helps anyone in the long run,” he said.

“What I want to see is a reform of the law as it is, but I am also an advocate of safe spaces for women and I want to have a discussion that is... Anybody who genuinely wants to find a way through this, I want to discuss that with. I do find that too many people – in my view – retreat or hold a position of which is intolerant of others.

“And that’s not picking on any individual at all, but I don’t like intolerance, I like open discussion.”

"Asked by a caller whether it was fair that transgender women were allowed to compete in women’s sports, Sir Keir said it was a matter “for the sporting bodies to decide for themselves”, acknowledging that there were “difficult questions”.




What's wrong with that answer?

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

107 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I think the redeeming feature of the announcement is that it's not a forever rule and they say they're going to continue research.

plenty

4,655 posts

185 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Note the difference in the tone and content of the comments between those who support trans people yet are capable of accepting a decision that doesn't ostensibly align with their position, compared with those who don't and aren't.

Timothy Bucktu

15,184 posts

199 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Rufus Stone said:
Female sport, trans women are women remember.
Only in mind. Hence the reason for them being banned for what should be obvious reasons.

S600BSB

4,265 posts

105 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Sensible decision. Sure there will eventually be open categories at major events to accommodate trans people etc.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

107 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I think that once more research is done and the current panic passes the rules will come back to somewhere between no trans people and a free for all.

The only issue I have with an open category alongside mens and womens is that you'll struggle to get enough people for it to be competitive.

grumbledoak

31,499 posts

232 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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ZedLeg said:
I think that once more research is done and the current panic passes the rules will come back to somewhere between no trans people and a free for all.

The only issue I have with an open category alongside mens and womens is that you'll struggle to get enough people for it to be competitive.
Surely the "open" category would just get dominated by the men? That's why the women only category exists.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

107 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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grumbledoak said:
Surely the "open" category would just get dominated by the men? That's why the women only category exists.
No it's not. Women's categories were first instituted because men didn't want to compete with women.

BikeBikeBIke

7,848 posts

114 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Timothy Bucktu said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
I'm a big fan of Kier
Really...blimey!?
He's an Old Reigatian. smile

BikeBikeBIke

7,848 posts

114 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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E63eeeeee... said:
Only if you're easily persuaded by people asking disingenuously over-simplistic questions.
It's not really over simplistic is it?

There are two valid definitions of woman:

1) The one your doctor would use.
2) Someone who self identifies as a woman.

Now age, that's complicated.... Very few people *feel* *exactly* their age.

Rivenink

3,665 posts

105 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Decision has been made by the ruling body of the sport after careful consideration.

Which is how all sports should approach the issue.


vetrof

2,466 posts

172 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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ZedLeg said:
ZedLeg said:
On the other hand

They’re mediocre men, big bones, muscle density etc

Can we move on to the next one now?
Guess not laugh
Whoops. Forget to switch ids?


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