Short flights by football club players

Short flights by football club players

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Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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irc said:
Big enough island that flights save significant time. Aberdeen London. 90m flight. Train 7hrs+. Plane for me.
You're ignoring the time spent on getting to the airport, the faff of getting through Security, the amount of time spent at the Boarding gate. Admittedly the flight you've selected is still going to be quicker than Train but not to the level your post suggests.


beagrizzly

10,296 posts

230 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Flooble said:
oyster said:
Electro1980 said:
Newcastle to Bournemouth, is 3h30 to fly plus however long it takes to get to the airport.
In a biplane maybe.
I can't find a flight from Bournemouth to Newcastle, so I assume Electro is talking about flying a Cessna on their own or something.

Since Exeter to Aberdeen is a 2h35m flight or a 9h45m drive, I think this is a case of either exaggerating for effect or careful selection of the chosen example.
I was assuming he was including time spent at the airport etc.

Though even with that I think 3.5 hours is a stretch.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

107 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Earthdweller said:
ZedLeg said:
Domestic flights should be banned imo. We’re not that big an Island.
You do realise that the U.K. is not one Island don’t you?

I regularly take domestic flights that go from one island to another .. Entirely within the country
Ah I knew that I should've edited to say mainland to mainland airports. The little puddle jumpers that the islands use are less polluting than the bigger jets and there's obviously more of a need in those situations.

From earlier in the thread.

Electro1980

8,248 posts

138 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Flooble said:
oyster said:
Electro1980 said:
Newcastle to Bournemouth, is 3h30 to fly plus however long it takes to get to the airport.
In a biplane maybe.
I can't find a flight from Bournemouth to Newcastle, so I assume Electro is talking about flying a Cessna on their own or something.

Since Exeter to Aberdeen is a 2h35m flight or a 9h45m drive, I think this is a case of either exaggerating for effect or careful selection of the chosen example.
I’m basing it on Google results and average time taken to get through the airport.

I’d like to know, again, which premier league football team is going to Aberdeen…

Electro1980

8,248 posts

138 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Diderot said:
CO2 isn’t a pollutant. You do understand that plants require CO2 to photosynthesise don’t you?
Look, we know basic science is a struggle for some, but if you could keep the nonsense in the climate change thread it would make everyone’s lives much better. If you haven’t managed GCSE level biology then probably best not to get involved in conversation about things you clearly don’t understand.

mac96

3,715 posts

142 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I don't really care how footballers travel, or spend their money, provided that they don't use their celebrity to talk about climate change or lecture anyone else on their choices either.



pavarotti1980

4,837 posts

83 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Electro1980 said:
I’m basing it on Google results and average time taken to get through the airport.

I’d like to know, again, which premier league football team is going to Aberdeen…
But they dont go through the airport at Newcastle though. Private terminal. You can be airborne with 15-20 minutes of walking through the door + 60-65 minute flight

Diderot

7,263 posts

191 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Electro1980 said:
Diderot said:
CO2 isn’t a pollutant. You do understand that plants require CO2 to photosynthesise don’t you?
Look, we know basic science is a struggle for some, but if you could keep the nonsense in the climate change thread it would make everyone’s lives much better. If you haven’t managed GCSE level biology then probably best not to get involved in conversation about things you clearly don’t understand.
So you’re saying that CO2 isn’t used in photosynthesis?

NDA

21,488 posts

224 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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pavarotti1980 said:
But they dont go through the airport at Newcastle though. Private terminal. You can be airborne with 15-20 minutes of walking through the door + 60-65 minute flight
Yep.

Same when you land in many places too - no scheduled/charter flights = no other passengers and straight through.

I've flown from Farnborough to Gibraltar a few times, the transfer is rapid.

matchmaker

8,463 posts

199 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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ZedLeg said:
Domestic flights should be banned imo. We’re not that big an Island.
Yes, must remember that next time I travel to Shetland. Instead of a 35 mile, 30 minute drive followed by a 1 hour flight I'll do a 125 mile, 2 hour drive and then a 14 hour overnight ferry journey. rolleyes

Flooble

5,565 posts

99 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Electro1980 said:
Flooble said:
oyster said:
Electro1980 said:
Newcastle to Bournemouth, is 3h30 to fly plus however long it takes to get to the airport.
In a biplane maybe.
I can't find a flight from Bournemouth to Newcastle, so I assume Electro is talking about flying a Cessna on their own or something.

Since Exeter to Aberdeen is a 2h35m flight or a 9h45m drive, I think this is a case of either exaggerating for effect or careful selection of the chosen example.
I’m basing it on Google results and average time taken to get through the airport.

I’d like to know, again, which premier league football team is going to Aberdeen…
I also looked on google flights and found nothing for Bournemouth to Newcastle; my point in quoting Exeter-Aberdeen was that you said it was 3h30m to do the much shorter flight from Bournemouth to Newcastle but since it's only 2h35m to travel much further, from Exeter to Aberdeen, I do not see how it can take over an hour longer to travel the shorter distance.

At these small regional airports, and especially if you have a block booking as a team, you are not sitting in the terminal for hours waiting to board anyway - it's effectively turn up and go - and even as a private individual you can turn up about 45 minutes before your flight; so I don't know where yo got "average time taken to get through the airport". For Bournemouth it's about 10 minutes on a private flight; Newcastle I've been through in 20 minutes before. I've flown through many of these small airports - airfields more like - and they are nothing like a Stansted or Heathrow.


Dingu

3,686 posts

29 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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mac96 said:
I don't really care how footballers travel, or spend their money, provided that they don't use their celebrity to talk about climate change or lecture anyone else on their choices either.
Bizarre opinion. Maybe we shouldn’t let you use your platform here to talk about things too.

Electro1980

8,248 posts

138 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Diderot said:
Electro1980 said:
Diderot said:
CO2 isn’t a pollutant. You do understand that plants require CO2 to photosynthesise don’t you?
Look, we know basic science is a struggle for some, but if you could keep the nonsense in the climate change thread it would make everyone’s lives much better. If you haven’t managed GCSE level biology then probably best not to get involved in conversation about things you clearly don’t understand.
So you’re saying that CO2 isn’t used in photosynthesis?
I’m saying that using that to argue that CO2 isn’t a pollutant is ridiculous. Plants also need organic nitrogen, but you wouldn’t want large amounts of it dumped in your living room. It’s

irc

7,169 posts

135 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Countdown said:
irc said:
Big enough island that flights save significant time. Aberdeen London. 90m flight. Train 7hrs+. Plane for me.
You're ignoring the time spent on getting to the airport, the faff of getting through Security, the amount of time spent at the Boarding gate. Admittedly the flight you've selected is still going to be quicker than Train but not to the level your post suggests.
And you are ignoring the limited choice of train times. Football clubs will charter planes to travel at the times of their choice with limited boarding faff. They wouldn't do it if it wasn't more convenient. Fair play to them.

If I could afford a private jet for my next holiday in California rather than going cattle class via two airports I would be there in a flash. And in good company with many climate campaigners. Perhaps if I gave a speech while over there telling the little people to cut their air travel it would be OK?

Gareth79

7,628 posts

245 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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bongtom said:
Frankie Dettori used to fly to most events. It would have been cheaper and produce less emissions if he drove/was driven.

Plus he wouldn’t have crashed at Newmarket, which is why he never flies in private planes anymore!
From what I read the top-end jockeys would do several races in a day on a schedule which would be impossible by road. I'm not sure if the races are staggered with that in mind, I wouldn't be surprised!

iphonedyou

9,234 posts

156 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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ZedLeg said:
Ah I knew that I should've edited to say mainland to mainland airports. The little puddle jumpers that the islands use are less polluting than the bigger jets and there's obviously more of a need in those situations.
And Northern Ireland. Without a decently sized internal flight market there would be no viable market to maintain just Highlands/ Islands / NI / ROI links.

kingston12

5,473 posts

156 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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ZedLeg said:
oyster said:
ZedLeg said:
I get that flying is more convenient for some than other methods, but the number of people who need that convenience must be vanishingly small and is the pollution short flights cause worth it for that?
As UK airlines are all for-profit organisations, if the demand is vanishingly small, then so is the supply (of flights). Ergo, not much pollution.
I didn't say demand, I said need. Two completely different things. People demand things they don't need all the time.
Indeed, a lot of the demand is about perception of cost and time. If I'm travelling from London to Edinburgh for a week, a £50 flight that will take an hour each way is a lot more attractive than a £200 rail journey that will take five times that.

By the time I've factored in the time/cost of the Stansted Express, waiting around at the airport at both ends, paying/waiting for luggage and then transport to the city centre at the other end, both the total cost and total time taken are a lot closer.

That said, I've just noticed that cheap flights are available from Gatwick now, which might tip the balance a bit.

I obviously don't expect football teams to be flying EasyJet, but I'd agree that the the number of cases where flying within mainland UK is actually really beneficial would be very small.


Carl_Manchester

12,103 posts

261 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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Evanivitch said:
Carl_Manchester said:
ZedLeg said:
Domestic flights should be banned imo. We’re not that big an Island.
happy to support this assuming we move to a toll road system so the underclass driving clapped out ford kas don't get in my way.

seriously though, our roads are clogged and crap , we are inefficient as it is without banning domestic flights .
Imagine there were plans for a high-speed train connecting the North West, Midlands and London in a way that would make travel between these two regions faster than door-to-door with flights, and would join with the public transport system...
as someone who uses the public train system extensively, it only works well after 8pm on a weekday. when they are not striking or, there is a leaf on the track.

Flooble

5,565 posts

99 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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kingston12 said:
Indeed, a lot of the demand is about perception of cost and time. If I'm travelling from London to Edinburgh for a week, a £50 flight that will take an hour each way is a lot more attractive than a £200 rail journey that will take five times that.

By the time I've factored in the time/cost of the Stansted Express, waiting around at the airport at both ends, paying/waiting for luggage and then transport to the city centre at the other end, both the total cost and total time taken are a lot closer.

That said, I've just noticed that cheap flights are available from Gatwick now, which might tip the balance a bit.

I obviously don't expect football teams to be flying EasyJet, but I'd agree that the the number of cases where flying within mainland UK is actually really beneficial would be very small.
I've regularly done these trips by both modes, so have pretty good experienced metrics. However, when travelling for business I'd note that I'd drive to the airport (or station). Not my money paying for the parking! Taxi to the customer at the other end means that time is largely the same for both train or airport - most businesses not being on top of the train station.

So it came down to:

Train: 10 minutes to the station, wait 10 minutes, 4 hours to Edinburgh (5 to Glasgow, if the connection worked), ~20 minutes in a cab to customer. Work on the train if I could get a seat/table (hit and miss - company would not spring for first class). Total time ~ 4h40 to 5h40. I remember that the 0700 train would mean getting down to work about 1200 by the time it was all sorted (e.g. waiting for a taxi)

Aircraft: 60 minutes to the airport, ~45 minutes of faffing (security, finding gate etc.), ~30 minutes waiting at the gate - usually able to work while waiting. 1h15m for either Edinburgh or Glasgow or Belfast, ~20 minutes to escape the airport, ~20 minutes to customer. Total time ~ 4h10.

For Glasgow, the aircraft was much better. For Edinburgh it was a wash, especially if I managed to book first class or got a table in standard and could work on the whole trip up.

However, this was flying commercially. I've also flown privately. That is another world. Airport (field) is usually 20 minutes away, arrival to being on the aircraft is 10 minutes and the aircraft leaves when you do. I've done Paris door to door in 2h30m.

I am pretty sure that there was an actual academic study which found that anything less than 400 miles was just as quick to drive compared with commercial flights. But private flights - you are seriously going to struggle to beat them on anything less than about 100 miles.

Oliver Hardy

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2,381 posts

73 months

Friday 24th March 2023
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I get all the arguments for convenience and so on, but the same is true for business people, royals, politicians...

We are living in a climate emergency, I am being told I shouldn't take a flight on holiday, I should walk or cycle to and from work, people are now being told they will be fined if they drive out of their district. How much do I need to earn before I am exempt from the things I do don't cause environmental damage?

And it is not just the flight from A to B and back, according to what i read the aeroplanes can travel long distances to get to A