Short flights by football club players

[Electro1980]

irc said:

Big enough island that flights save significant time. Aberdeen London. 90m flight. Train 7hrs+. Plane for me.

Which premier league football club is based in Aberdeen?

[ZedLeg]

vikingaero said:

ZedLeg said:

Domestic flights should be banned imo. We’re not that big an Island.

What would you do with the Scottish Islanders, who say have to travel Inverness/Glasgow/Edinburgh/Aberdeen for hospital appointments?

1 hour drive to Stornoway Wait an hour to board ferry at Ullapool - 3-4 hours crossing to Ullapool, drive an hour and a half to Inverness. In reality you'd add more time on each leg for delays, and then you have to get home again.

Ah I knew that I should've edited to say mainland to mainland airports. The little puddle jumpers that the islands use are less polluting than the bigger jets and there's obviously more of a need in those situations.

[Evanivitch]

bongtom said:

To add. It's not just the players though is it. Support staff, press, family. It's either fly or four coach loads of people. I doubt the pollutants are greater flying.

Literally 30 seconds of effort would have shown this is utterly nonsense.

[Teddy Lop]

ZedLeg said:

It's not really 90 mins though is it? You still have to actually get to London from whichever orbiting airport you go to. I get that flying is more convenient for some than other methods, but the number of people who need that convenience must be vanishingly small and is the pollution short flights cause worth it for that?

We've got a couple of the big club training grounds near us in Northermost London, I imagine many of the players don't live far, and we're easy for Luton/Stansted. I'd wager flying is likely as much about dependability given the state of our road network.

[Evanivitch]

Electro1980 said:

Normal cars (I.e. not footballers cars) would be slightly less polluting.
Coaches would be vastly less polluting.

All per passenger:

Domestic flight - 133g/km co2
Car - 85-45g/km co2 (assuming 2+ people per car)
Coach - 27g/km co2

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-493...

And, no, I wouldn’t fly if I could. Once you take in to account transfer times and faffing about with security it’s unlikely to save any time. Even the most extreme case, Newcastle to Bournemouth, is 6 hours drive or 3h30 to fly plus however long it takes to get to the airport.

There is an argument to fly when your doing it instead of driving yourself or it is cheaper. That is not why football clubs are doing it.

There's also the reality that electric coach travel is already a reality today, and will only continue to grow in range and Capability. Zero emissions flight for small commercial aircraft is still at least 10 years away.

[Dogwatch]

I care not for football but at least they’re not flying teams around while lecturing everyone on climate emergencies/crises (other overworked and misused words are available).

Football pundits are exempt of course.

[TorqueVR]

I assume this thread is about CO2 and pollution and the flights being unnecessary and in that respect I agree. But is it any worse than anyone else flying within the UK? Or the average family flying to The Med for a holiday when they could drive to Cornwall or The Lakes?

[bongtom]

Frankie Dettori used to fly to most events. It would have been cheaper and produce less emissions if he drove/was driven.

Plus he wouldn’t have crashed at Newmarket, which is why he never flies in private planes anymore!

[bongtom]

Electro1980 said:

bongtom said:

To add. It's not just the players though is it. Support staff, press, family. It's either fly or four coach loads of people. I doubt the pollutants are greater flying.

If you could afford it you would do it. Don't kid us and yourself.

Normal cars (I.e. not footballers cars) would be slightly less polluting.
Coaches would be vastly less polluting.

All per passenger:

Domestic flight - 133g/km co2
Car - 85-45g/km co2 (assuming 2+ people per car)
Coach - 27g/km co2

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-493...

And, no, I wouldn’t fly if I could. Once you take in to account transfer times and faffing about with security it’s unlikely to save any time. Even the most extreme case, Newcastle to Bournemouth, is 6 hours drive or 3h30 to fly plus however long it takes to get to the airport.

There is an argument to fly when your doing it instead of driving yourself or it is cheaper. That is not why football clubs are doing it.

I meant if you had to means to fly privately you would.
We all would.

[ZedLeg]

bongtom said:

I meant if you had to means to fly privately you would.
We all would.

Speak for yourself

[towser44]

Some of the flights clubs do are mental. I've seen from the Flight Tracker apps and certain other websites, Man City taking a flight to Birmingham Airport then a coach to play at Cheltenham Town. Liverpool flew to Doncaster Sheffield Airport to play Sheffield United then a coach to the ground. The coach was 25 miles, the journey from Liverpool to the ground would only be 78 miles had they just used a coach. Arsenal flew to Norwich. There are regular positioning flights (empty flights) between Liverpool and Manchester of the aircraft. Some of the flights being taken are plane (pun intended) ridiculous!

Living between Liverpool and Manchester Airports, we sometimes joke that it can only be a matter of time until Liverpool or one of the Manchester clubs fly between each airport when they play each other!

Edited by towser44 on Friday 24th March 08:34

[Timothy Bucktu]

So what?

Oh...you think the 'climate emergency' is real? LoL.
Wake up sheeple.

[Carl_Manchester]

ZedLeg said:

Domestic flights should be banned imo. We’re not that big an Island.

happy to support this assuming we move to a toll road system so the underclass driving clapped out ford kas don't get in my way.

seriously though, our roads are clogged and crap , we are inefficient as it is without banning domestic flights .

[Jasandjules]

FFS is this how stupid the world has become now??? Does everyone believe in the scam?

[Evanivitch]

Carl_Manchester said:

ZedLeg said:

Domestic flights should be banned imo. We’re not that big an Island.

happy to support this assuming we move to a toll road system so the underclass driving clapped out ford kas don't get in my way.

seriously though, our roads are clogged and crap , we are inefficient as it is without banning domestic flights .

Imagine there were plans for a high-speed train connecting the North West, Midlands and London in a way that would make travel between these two regions faster than door-to-door with flights, and would join with the public transport system...

[Oliver Hardy]

bongtom said:

If you could afford it you would do it. Don't kid us and yourself.

Oh yeah, but we are all being told we shouldn't take flights,

Footballers aren't taking the knee when it comes to the environment it seems.

[Diderot]

Electro1980 said:

bongtom said:

To add. It's not just the players though is it. Support staff, press, family. It's either fly or four coach loads of people. I doubt the pollutants are greater flying.

If you could afford it you would do it. Don't kid us and yourself.

Normal cars (I.e. not footballers cars) would be slightly less polluting.
Coaches would be vastly less polluting.

All per passenger:

Domestic flight - 133g/km co2
Car - 85-45g/km co2 (assuming 2+ people per car)
Coach - 27g/km co2

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-493...

And, no, I wouldn’t fly if I could. Once you take in to account transfer times and faffing about with security it’s unlikely to save any time. Even the most extreme case, Newcastle to Bournemouth, is 6 hours drive or 3h30 to fly plus however long it takes to get to the airport.

There is an argument to fly when your doing it instead of driving yourself or it is cheaper. That is not why football clubs are doing it.

CO2 isn’t a pollutant. You do understand that plants require CO2 to photosynthesise don’t you?

[Eric Mc]

bongtom said:

Frankie Dettori used to fly to most events. It would have been cheaper and produce less emissions if he drove/was driven.

Plus he wouldn’t have crashed at Newmarket, which is why he never flies in private planes anymore!

Her should have gone by horse

[scenario8]

Eric Mc said:

Her should have gone by horse

Shank’s pony is the only legitimate means of travel. Only then when strictly necessary. And no farting in built up areas.

[Kawasicki]

Ivan stewart said:

Can’t they just work from home !!!

Why is physical professional sport still tolerated? The climate crisis is upon us (or it'll be here any minute now). It's a war.... no time or resources for fripperies like watching adults kick a ball around a field.

We are on thin ice, melting thin ice. Can you swim?