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Alconbury, Bibury, Brampton, Brawdy, Bruntingthorpe… so five viable locations before we get to “c”….
Quite a few suitable locations are in the Lincolnshire area too where there is a shortage of farm labour resource and it’s almost spring time…. #winning
The cynic in me wonders which Tory donor is in the frame for the Contract for the infrastructure and management of the sites…. I doubt it will go to tender but be rushed through as an emergency procurement aka PPE.
Quite a few suitable locations are in the Lincolnshire area too where there is a shortage of farm labour resource and it’s almost spring time…. #winning
The cynic in me wonders which Tory donor is in the frame for the Contract for the infrastructure and management of the sites…. I doubt it will go to tender but be rushed through as an emergency procurement aka PPE.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 30th March 18:55
pablo said:
Alconbury, Bibury, Brampton, Brawdy, Bruntingthorpe… so five viable locations before we get to “c”….
Quite a few suitable locations are in the Lincolnshire area too where there is a shortage of farm labour resource and it’s almost spring time…. #winning
The cynic in me wonders which Tory donor is in the frame for the Contract for the infrastructure and management of the sites…. I doubt it will go to tender but be rushed through as an emergency procurement aka PPE.
Excellent suggestions there, pablo.Quite a few suitable locations are in the Lincolnshire area too where there is a shortage of farm labour resource and it’s almost spring time…. #winning
The cynic in me wonders which Tory donor is in the frame for the Contract for the infrastructure and management of the sites…. I doubt it will go to tender but be rushed through as an emergency procurement aka PPE.
Edited by pablo on Thursday 30th March 18:55
I assume all are viable alternative solutions to RAF Scampton?
pablo said:
Alconbury, Bibury, Brampton, Brawdy, Bruntingthorpe… so five viable locations before we get to “c”….
Quite a few suitable locations are in the Lincolnshire area too where there is a shortage of farm labour resource and it’s almost spring time…. #winning
The cynic in me wonders which Tory donor is in the frame for the Contract for the infrastructure and management of the sites…. I doubt it will go to tender but be rushed through as an emergency procurement aka PPE.
The Govt has been planning accommodation centres for migrants since 2021:Quite a few suitable locations are in the Lincolnshire area too where there is a shortage of farm labour resource and it’s almost spring time…. #winning
The cynic in me wonders which Tory donor is in the frame for the Contract for the infrastructure and management of the sites…. I doubt it will go to tender but be rushed through as an emergency procurement aka PPE.
Edited by pablo on Thursday 30th March 18:55
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/home-off...
I'd guess the contractors have already been selected and are already on a list for a quick call-up once they are given the go-ahead:
https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2021/W32/756613619
BikeBikeBIke said:
cossy400 said:
They should have stayed in the 1st country they came to.
That is certainly the right thing to do. Stop at the first safe country. Much easier to manage that way.Seriously, if there was a massive earthquake in Dorking is it better if we all spread ourselves to the four winds as as far as Turkey or Belarus or should we stop in France and Ireland where we can be managed/helped? It's a no brainer.
a) try to reach them and live there
b) live in a tent, with limited sanitation, basic food rations, and all the problems that brings, no stability for you or your family for an indeterminate amount of time
Seems like a no brainer to me.
Electro1980 said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
cossy400 said:
They should have stayed in the 1st country they came to.
That is certainly the right thing to do. Stop at the first safe country. Much easier to manage that way.Seriously, if there was a massive earthquake in Dorking is it better if we all spread ourselves to the four winds as as far as Turkey or Belarus or should we stop in France and Ireland where we can be managed/helped? It's a no brainer.
a) try to reach them and live there
b) live in a tent, with limited sanitation, basic food rations, and all the problems that brings, no stability for you or your family for an indeterminate amount of time
Seems like a no brainer to me.
IF they have family here and not just claim to.
Or the ones claiming to be gay etc saying they ll be murdered in the home country.
Fine France or which many countries you ve travelled won't kill you for it though.
You may aswel just stop collecting them and let them find there own way once they land.
After all they all want to work and some are apparently skilled workers.
They ll soon seem gainful employment.
BikeBikeBIke said:
crankedup5 said:
b
hstewie said:
hstewie said:crankedup5 said:
And what obligations are we under regarding our homeless people?
Questions are being asked regarding the migration crisis throughout Europe, time for a complete re-evaluation of policies which were agreed to decades ago. We are in a completely different World now to when the policies were introduced.
The two things aren't mutually exclusive Cranked.Questions are being asked regarding the migration crisis throughout Europe, time for a complete re-evaluation of policies which were agreed to decades ago. We are in a completely different World now to when the policies were introduced.
These people fought alongside us and we told them we would fulfil our obligations and responsibilities to help them.
Personally I consider that means we owe them something but it's not the biggest surprise that it appears that you don't.
There are currently nearly 5 million UK citizens living abroad. Do we want all of them them back?
Without putting a number on the population we *want* to aim for, any debate is utterly futile. (And needlessly emotive.)
don'tbesilly said:
pablo said:
Alconbury, Bibury, Brampton, Brawdy, Bruntingthorpe… so five viable locations before we get to “c”….
Quite a few suitable locations are in the Lincolnshire area too where there is a shortage of farm labour resource and it’s almost spring time…. #winning
The cynic in me wonders which Tory donor is in the frame for the Contract for the infrastructure and management of the sites…. I doubt it will go to tender but be rushed through as an emergency procurement aka PPE.
The Govt has been planning accommodation centres for migrants since 2021:Quite a few suitable locations are in the Lincolnshire area too where there is a shortage of farm labour resource and it’s almost spring time…. #winning
The cynic in me wonders which Tory donor is in the frame for the Contract for the infrastructure and management of the sites…. I doubt it will go to tender but be rushed through as an emergency procurement aka PPE.
Edited by pablo on Thursday 30th March 18:55
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/home-off...
I'd guess the contractors have already been selected and are already on a list for a quick call-up once they are given the go-ahead:
https://bidstats.uk/tenders/2021/W32/756613619
I watched a bit of ITV Meridian news last night. They interviewed some locals living near the abandoned prison site near Bexhill - the reactions were pretty much as expected: 'The area is entirely unsuitable for these people' etc etc. I assume people local to all the other proposed sites are equally against having an asylum centre on their doorsteps, or perhaps there is a community that will welcome all & sundry?
cossy400 said:
Electro1980 said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
cossy400 said:
They should have stayed in the 1st country they came to.
That is certainly the right thing to do. Stop at the first safe country. Much easier to manage that way.Seriously, if there was a massive earthquake in Dorking is it better if we all spread ourselves to the four winds as as far as Turkey or Belarus or should we stop in France and Ireland where we can be managed/helped? It's a no brainer.
a) try to reach them and live there
b) live in a tent, with limited sanitation, basic food rations, and all the problems that brings, no stability for you or your family for an indeterminate amount of time
Seems like a no brainer to me.
IF they have family here and not just claim to.
Or the ones claiming to be gay etc saying they ll be murdered in the home country.
Fine France or which many countries you ve travelled won't kill you for it though.
You may aswel just stop collecting them and let them find there own way once they land.
After all they all want to work and some are apparently skilled workers.
They ll soon seem gainful employment.
crankedup5 said:
Fair points made and it is the crux of the problem we, and other Countries are facing now regarding migration. We cannot say what are an acceptable number of migrants to the Country each year, if we are to follow refugee convention. Seems to me this is a situation requiring UN intervention. At the same time our infrastructure is unable to cope with our current existing population.
That’s the thing, it’s the inherently selfish attitude of “they are someone else’s problem”. We take less than many other countries with the same or much much worse levels of infrastructure.You are one of the ones that keep claiming the UN convention is outdated, yet that is exactly one of the things intended to help by not demanding people stay on the edge of the first country they get too.
cossy400 said:
It is a no brainer....
IF they have family here and not just claim to.
Or the ones claiming to be gay etc saying they ll be murdered in the home country.
Fine France or which many countries you ve travelled won't kill you for it though.
You may aswel just stop collecting them and let them find there own way once they land.
After all they all want to work and some are apparently skilled workers.
They ll soon seem gainful employment.
IF they have family here and not just claim to.
Or the ones claiming to be gay etc saying they ll be murdered in the home country.
Fine France or which many countries you ve travelled won't kill you for it though.
You may aswel just stop collecting them and let them find there own way once they land.
After all they all want to work and some are apparently skilled workers.
They ll soon seem gainful employment.
Just make them British citizens the moment they arrive!
That way they will have to join the Queue behind the rest of us!!! No hotels needed or the myriad of contractors riding the migrant gravy train either..
Ivan stewart said:
cossy400 said:
It is a no brainer....
IF they have family here and not just claim to.
Or the ones claiming to be gay etc saying they ll be murdered in the home country.
Fine France or which many countries you ve travelled won't kill you for it though.
You may aswel just stop collecting them and let them find there own way once they land.
After all they all want to work and some are apparently skilled workers.
They ll soon seem gainful employment.
IF they have family here and not just claim to.
Or the ones claiming to be gay etc saying they ll be murdered in the home country.
Fine France or which many countries you ve travelled won't kill you for it though.
You may aswel just stop collecting them and let them find there own way once they land.
After all they all want to work and some are apparently skilled workers.
They ll soon seem gainful employment.
Just make them British citizens the moment they arrive!
That way they will have to join the Queue behind the rest of us!!! No hotels needed or the myriad of contractors riding the migrant gravy train either..
NEXT
SteveStrange said:
crankedup5 said:
The shopkeeper in Wethersfield will be doing brisk business with the extra 1700 villagers moving in soon.
The NIMBYs in Finchingfield are going to be beside themselves. It will be glorious to watch. The villagers of Wethersfield have already been out in force protesting, it will make zero difference, the ex military site will be used to house migrants awaitin* processing.
Are the migrants to be kept behind the wire fences or allowed to freely roam?
Electro1980 said:
crankedup5 said:
Fair points made and it is the crux of the problem we, and other Countries are facing now regarding migration. We cannot say what are an acceptable number of migrants to the Country each year, if we are to follow refugee convention. Seems to me this is a situation requiring UN intervention. At the same time our infrastructure is unable to cope with our current existing population.
That’s the thing, it’s the inherently selfish attitude of “they are someone else’s problem”. We take less than many other countries with the same or much much worse levels of infrastructure.You are one of the ones that keep claiming the UN convention is outdated, yet that is exactly one of the things intended to help by not demanding people stay on the edge of the first country they get too.
How many migrants can the U.K. sustain?
Reading in ‘The Guardian’ that Labour, should they win the next GE do not have any alternatives to resolving the migration issues. Seems that they will simply try and improve on what the present Government is attempting.
Edited by crankedup5 on Friday 31st March 11:02
crankedup5 said:
Electro1980 said:
crankedup5 said:
Fair points made and it is the crux of the problem we, and other Countries are facing now regarding migration. We cannot say what are an acceptable number of migrants to the Country each year, if we are to follow refugee convention. Seems to me this is a situation requiring UN intervention. At the same time our infrastructure is unable to cope with our current existing population.
That’s the thing, it’s the inherently selfish attitude of “they are someone else’s problem”. We take less than many other countries with the same or much much worse levels of infrastructure.You are one of the ones that keep claiming the UN convention is outdated, yet that is exactly one of the things intended to help by not demanding people stay on the edge of the first country they get too.
How many migrants can the U.K. sustain?
It can support far more than it does, like many countries do.
Edited by Electro1980 on Friday 31st March 11:08
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