The next 5 years with Labour?

[Mortarboard]

Big majority. Starmer should be looking at how to preserve enough if that the next time.

So the core vote is still there, but needs his "new" seat holders to consolidate their hold. Local politics, local issues.

Farage being a noisy pain in the Tories arse won't hurt though.....

M.

[Vasco]

Have the various Unions for the NHS, or Teachers, or Rail yet complained that Starmer hasn't addressed their demands already ?

[Randy Winkman]

Legacywr said:

Do we expect…

PH will be like the old days where "OMG! Look what the government has done now!" threads will run at at least twice the speed that anything has done under the Tories. I hope the IT is robust and can take it.

[JagLover]

grumbledoak said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

When you conspiracy loons talk about globalists, why don't you just say what you mean....Jews.

I'm guessing you're not a fan of the North London Metropolitan elite either.

I was referring more to the Davos crowd that Starmer seems so enamoured of. I have no idea if Kuddly Klaus is Jewish or not.

As to the "North London Metropolitan elite" - what is it? It sounds like an escort agency.

I wouldn't worry about. Always seem to be a few leaping eagerly to say any criticism of globalisation is anti-Jewish. As if the two were at all synonymous.

Looks like Macron is the latest globalist to be taking a kicking and is entirely non-Jewish as far as I am aware.

[Cold]

Down here it's been raining ever since Labour got elected. Now, I don't like to point fingers but...

[S600BSB]

grumbledoak said:

TwigtheWonderkid said:

When you conspiracy loons talk about globalists, why don't you just say what you mean....Jews.

I'm guessing you're not a fan of the North London Metropolitan elite either.

I was referring more to the Davos crowd that Starmer seems so enamoured of. I have no idea if Kuddly Klaus is Jewish or not.

As to the "North London Metropolitan elite" - what is it? It sounds like an escort agency.

You ever skied in Davos? Fabulous.

[E63eeeeee...]

Newc said:

BikeBikeBIke said:

If underfunding is the problem and funding is easily available, which is what we've been told for.... Well for 14 years.... Then that can be fixed in a single emergency budget immediately.

Exactly this. I don't recall the Tories saying that they were eagerly increasing NHS waiting lists, or food banks, or illegal immigration. But I do recall them having a sizeable majority, and the highest tax take since WW2. And yet none of those problems was fixed, which implies that they just didn't have access to the magic wand that Labour will now wave.

The thing with the Tories is that they weren't very good at actual government. They mostly lived in a fantasy where they mistook slogans for policies and couldn't see reality on a clear day. For all its faults, the last Labour government was simply better at this stuff, and given his background and the people he's recruited, I expect Starmer to also be better. You can do a lot more with public money if you can take the people with you instead of treating them like the enemy, and if you don't waste it on designed-to-fail nonsense like Rwanda.

[AC43]

S600BSB said:

Legacywr said:

Do we expect…

A serious reduction in boats crossing the channel?

Seriously reduced NHS waiting lists?

No st in our rivers?

Next day appointments to see a GP?

An abundance of NHS dentists?

A serious reduction in food banks?

An upturn in growth?

Or, Labour Party blaming the Tories.

I’m not put out to see Labour win this election, it was time for a change of government, but I don’t see much ‘Change’ at all.

Can we win the Euros as well please.

I'd be happy with a shot on target in under 100 minutes.

[Sway]

Gaining voter share is going to be crucial. That's a fine line to tread - but I actually wish them luck. If they achieve it, then the UK will actually be in a better place.

I think there's some major challenges, but some come with decent opportunities.

Planning reform 'should' be easy legislatively now - and that should create some stimulus, however it's going to seriously ps off a bunch of NIMBYs.

Foreign policy is going to be a far harder challenge for Labour than the Torys, I wish them luck.

There's going to be a continuation of a lot of fiddling around the fringes, perhaps more so. There's going to be some big squeezes in some areas to buy votes in others.

[S600BSB]

Really hope Sir Keir gives Ange a decent grace and favour home - Chevening or similar. Nicer than Stockport and simpler from a tax perspective.

[E63eeeeee...]

Sway said:

Gaining voter share is going to be crucial. That's a fine line to tread - but I actually wish them luck. If they achieve it, then the UK will actually be in a better place.

I think there's some major challenges, but some come with decent opportunities.

Planning reform 'should' be easy legislatively now - and that should create some stimulus, however it's going to seriously ps off a bunch of NIMBYs.

Foreign policy is going to be a far harder challenge for Labour than the Torys, I wish them luck.

There's going to be a continuation of a lot of fiddling around the fringes, perhaps more so. There's going to be some big squeezes in some areas to buy votes in others.

Hmm. I'm hoping Starmer realises that he's supposed to govern for four years and only then start campaigning, unlike the Tories who seemed to be perpetually campaigning and never got round to governing. If he forgets about votes for a few years I suspect he'll have a much better shot of winning the next election *and* making life better in the UK.

[768]

Hopefully nothing hugely surprising. Tax and spend and more tax and spend. Bit of authoritarianism around the edges, maybe ID cards or road pricing rearing their heads again. More 20 and 50 zones. More public sector.

[768]

Legacywr said:

Do we expect…

A serious reduction in boats crossing the channel?

Only if Le Pen sorts out the French borders before Starmer can lay on a ferry.

[Sway]

E63eeeeee... said:

Sway said:

Gaining voter share is going to be crucial. That's a fine line to tread - but I actually wish them luck. If they achieve it, then the UK will actually be in a better place.

I think there's some major challenges, but some come with decent opportunities.

Planning reform 'should' be easy legislatively now - and that should create some stimulus, however it's going to seriously ps off a bunch of NIMBYs.

Foreign policy is going to be a far harder challenge for Labour than the Torys, I wish them luck.

There's going to be a continuation of a lot of fiddling around the fringes, perhaps more so. There's going to be some big squeezes in some areas to buy votes in others.

Hmm. I'm hoping Starmer realises that he's supposed to govern for four years and only then start campaigning, unlike the Tories who seemed to be perpetually campaigning and never got round to governing. If he forgets about votes for a few years I suspect he'll have a much better shot of winning the next election *and* making life better in the UK.

As the BBC have just said, if he's going to do anything like what he's said, the only route is a fairly swift increase in growth.

He's pinning everything on it - but to achieve it is going to necessarily upset lots of people, and he doesn't have the vote share to erode like Blair did.

So, they will be incredibly aware they're walking a tightrope.

[Lotusgone]

For motorists and PHers, a good deal worse IMHO.

The ecoweenies will want road tax on larger-engined cars to steeple, road pricing, harsher tax on diesel. More speed cameras, possibly lower speed limits and in-town parking for EVs only.

I think I'll be trying to sell my V8 Beemer.

[wc98]

Randy Winkman said:

Legacywr said:

Do we expect…

PH will be like the old days where "OMG! Look what the government has done now!" threads will run at at least twice the speed that anything has done under the Tories. I hope the IT is robust and can take it.

It's going to be interesting to see what gets criticised as opposed to given a pass when it was the blue team doing it. Given what has gone before Labour will have to be incredibly poor to do worse on every single metric i can think of.

[Cold]

wc98 said:

Randy Winkman said:

Legacywr said:

Do we expect…

PH will be like the old days where "OMG! Look what the government has done now!" threads will run at at least twice the speed that anything has done under the Tories. I hope the IT is robust and can take it.

It's going to be interesting to see what gets criticised as opposed to given a pass when it was the blue team doing it. Given what has gone before Labour will have to be incredibly poor to do worse on every single metric i can think of.

It's ok, if it all goes tits up they can always blame Thatcher.

[Mr Miata]

He couldn’t do any worse.

The past few years has been one Tory embarrassment and scandal after another.

You’re forgetting that people weren’t only voting for Labour. There’s also protest votes against the Conservatives.

I’m all for giving the Conservatives a lesson that the past few years weren’t acceptable.

[Mr Miata]

Mortarboard said:

Big majority. Starmer should be looking at how to preserve enough if that the next time.

So the core vote is still there, but needs his "new" seat holders to consolidate their hold. Local politics, local issues.

Farage being a noisy pain in the Tories arse won't hurt though.....

M.

For the next general election, it’s not Labour that the Conservatives need to worry about. It’s trying to attract their core voters back who defected to Reform.

Labour could quite easily win again if the Tories are split and divided.

[RicksAlfas]

Legacywr said:

Do we expect…

... 5 years of blaming everything on the last 14 years.