Net migration - highest ever it's been

[JagLover]

s1962a said:

paulw123 said:

Crazy numbers and in no way needed or sustainable surely?

We need a grown up conversation about this that doesn't involve emotions or belonging to a certain camp.

Either we need migration for jobs that the UK workforce just aren't willing to do, in which case we need honesty about the migration numbers.

Or we need to incentivise our workforce to do these jobs. Would someone be willing to do these jobs for a £20 an hour minimum wage? Yes, this will hurt business, but what is more important? Keeping business staffing costs down or keeping migration low?

Most of that number will not be for jobs in sectors in need, but more a mixture of dependents and people arriving via other visa routes.

That is why we have discussions over shortages of labour in certain sectors, with net migration in a single year of close to a million.

People talk of Labour lies but Bojo the clown also fundamentally lied in 2019. There was to be no addressing the dissatisfaction of ordinary people, no "levelling up", only the agenda redoubled, after fooling those opposed to vote for him.

Edited by JagLover on Thursday 28th November 12:00

[Catatafish]

I have an inkling that this all a massive scam to suppress the low skill labour wage bills for a handful of the mega rich that probably owned the tories, or at least enough of them to influence policy.

But I wonder what Kier actually wants for UK. He is a blackrock acolyte... does it suit them to cram in infinity africans too?

Does the growing criminal population add or detract from UK PLC?

[biggles330d]

Brexit going well then. Could it have been membership of the EU and freedom of movement wasn't a real cause after all? Quelle surprise.

[chrispmartha]

biggles330d said:

Brexit going well then. Could it have been membership of the EU and freedom of movement wasn't a real cause after all? Quelle surprise.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36167329

And people still think this man is a credible person

[s1962a]

biggles330d said:

Brexit going well then. Could it have been membership of the EU and freedom of movement wasn't a real cause after all? Quelle surprise.

I made this point back then as well. Brexit voters were happy to replace hundreds of thousands of European workers with almost a million a year from Asia/Africa. I suppose its "taking back control" whatever that means in this instance.

Make it make sense.

[chrispmartha]

s1962a said:

biggles330d said:

Brexit going well then. Could it have been membership of the EU and freedom of movement wasn't a real cause after all? Quelle surprise.

I made this point back then as well. Brexit voters were happy to replace hundreds of thousands of European workers with almost a million a year from Asia/Africa. I suppose its "taking back control" whatever that means in this instance.

Make it make sense.

Brexit voters were also quite happy to sell Farmers down the river aswell - now they're up in arms about IHT.

[s1962a]

Catatafish said:

I have an inkling that this all a massive scam to suppress the low skill labour wage bills for a handful of the mega rich that probably owned the tories, or at least enough of them to influence policy

This is what it is. Business.

We should increase minimum wage to a level that attracts our unemployed workers to take up these jobs. Yes businesses will hurt and take the brunt, and that will mean higher prices for us, but it will help curb the massive migration we're getting in, and the knock on effects it has on housing and public services.

[Condi]

s1962a said:

This is what it is. Business.

And (if you believe Suella Braveman, many wouldn't....) cheap labour from abroad helps keep inflation figures down, which you may remember as one of Rishi's big pledges, missions, goals, whatever the hell they were. Clearly just slightly above bringing down net migration figures.

[biggles330d]

s1962a said:

Catatafish said:

I have an inkling that this all a massive scam to suppress the low skill labour wage bills for a handful of the mega rich that probably owned the tories, or at least enough of them to influence policy

This is what it is. Business.

We should increase minimum wage to a level that attracts our unemployed workers to take up these jobs. Yes businesses will hurt and take the brunt, and that will mean higher prices for us, but it will help curb the massive migration we're getting in, and the knock on effects it has on housing and public services.

So how does that work then. If I'm a migrant falling over myself to work for £13/hour, do you think I'll be any less interested if the work is being offered at £20/hour? Those brits who don't want to work, still won't want to work. Some business may hurt but most will still make their margin and the cost of living will go ever higher.
We'll still need to be taxed to pay for the public services and demand for houses will stay the same as you haven't addressed the fundamental of supply v demand (we'll never do that as I don't know anyone who wants the value of their house to go down and put them in negative equity).

[lrdisco]

I am what many on here would consider to be a soft left winger. More a Liberal Democrat than Labour but the current levels of immigration are unsustainable.
This is the equivalent to the population of Manchester & Wigan in a year. Think how many roads, sewers, schools, hospitals and houses would be required to be built to accommodate these people.
How many police, courts, ambulances and Drs?
This is why there are not enough Drs etc.
I don’t know how we can stop this but stop at these numbers it must.

[croyde]

Super Sonic said:

Minimum wage is not £20ph. Nowhere near.

I'm not on as much as that and I'm quite skilled with 35 years experience

[reddiesel]

s1962a said:

I made this point back then as well. Brexit voters were happy to replace hundreds of thousands of European workers with almost a million a year from Asia/Africa. I suppose its "taking back control" whatever that means in this instance.

Make it make sense.

You are talking utter rubbish my friend . Brexit voters of which I am one were happy with European workers being employed in the UK . What we hoped for was control of number and type . As regards these almost million a year from Asia/Africa , they are little to do with being part of a workforce but instead part of an Islamic invasion akin to 1066 . Worse still , it appears both Conservative and Labour Governments have little interest in enforcing our Borders which is pretty miraculous when you consider we are an Island nation . How hard is it ?

[Bo_apex]

chrispmartha said:

And as much as some on here won't like it, Brexit has certainly added to the issue - which ironically was one of the lies it was sold on.

Yep. They failed to keep their promise.

Complete lightweights.

[ATG]

reddiesel said:

s1962a said:

I made this point back then as well. Brexit voters were happy to replace hundreds of thousands of European workers with almost a million a year from Asia/Africa. I suppose its "taking back control" whatever that means in this instance.

Make it make sense.

You are talking utter rubbish my friend . Brexit voters of which I am one were happy with European workers being employed in the UK . What we hoped for was control of number and type . As regards these almost million a year from Asia/Africa , they are little to do with being part of a workforce but instead part of an Islamic invasion akin to 1066 . Worse still , it appears both Conservative and Labour Governments have little interest in enforcing our Borders which is pretty miraculous when you consider we are an Island nation . How hard is it ?

Point of information: your 1066 analogy is ... uhm ... can't think of a polite way of putting it. Suffice to say the numbers who crossed the Channel in 1066 were tiny. The Norman Conquest was about a relatively small ruling class seizing control of neighbouring territory. It was not about mass migration. Or religion. While we're at it, what proportion of Hong Kong Chinese and Ukrainian immigrants are Muslims, do you think?

[ATG]

Bo_apex said:

chrispmartha said:

And as much as some on here won't like it, Brexit has certainly added to the issue - which ironically was one of the lies it was sold on.

Yep. They failed to keep their promise.

Complete lightweights.

It was a promise they could never have been expected to keep.

[Amateurish]

A massive failure of (Tory) Government policy.

[valiant]

reddiesel said:

You are talking utter rubbish my friend . Brexit voters of which I am one were happy with European workers being employed in the UK . What we hoped for was control of number and type . As regards these almost million a year from Asia/Africa , they are little to do with being part of a workforce but instead part of an Islamic invasion akin to 1066 . Worse still , it appears both Conservative and Labour Governments have little interest in enforcing our Borders which is pretty miraculous when you consider we are an Island nation . How hard is it ?

The vast, vast majority come here via legal means.

Being an island nation means nothing in that context. Only something like 3-5% come in via irregular means.

[E63eeeeee...]

Bo_apex said:

chrispmartha said:

And as much as some on here won't like it, Brexit has certainly added to the issue - which ironically was one of the lies it was sold on.

Yep. They failed to keep their promise.

Complete lightweights.

Not really relevant, Brexit changed the profile of migration so that you now need more immigrants for each worker or student. Hence a big chunk of the post-Brexit increase in numbers.

[oyster]

s1962a said:

This is what it is. Business.

We should increase minimum wage to a level that attracts our unemployed workers to take up these jobs. Yes businesses will hurt and take the brunt, and that will mean higher prices for us, but it will help curb the massive migration we're getting in, and the knock on effects it has on housing and public services.

Ith a resulting jump in inflation, leading to a jump in benefits, leading to less incentive to work.

How do you solve that?

[mike9009]

For legal migration, why don't we charge more to enter the country? £10k each personally... Gives £10bn tax revenues. Leave after 3 years get £5k back - so incentivise people to leave too.....

If we desperately need the skills and a company is willing to help, fair enough. Or perhaps a sliding scale based on the skills need.

Money talks.....