The next 5 years with Labour? Vol. 2

[768]

2Btoo said:

No UK-Bangladesh extradition treaty in place, so this unfortunately isn't going to happen.

AIUI one isn't necessary, it can be done on an ad hoc basis. But it won't happen anyway.

[trevalvole]

The conduct of the trial doesn't seem to have been entirely above-board:

"Last week, a group of senior lawyers raised concerns with Bangladesh's representative in the UK over how the trial had been conducted.

Signatories to that statement included ex-Justice Secretary Robert Buckland, former Attorney General Dominic Grieve, and Lady Cherie Blair, a human rights lawyer and wife of former Prime Minister Sir Tony Blair."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj38xm5nmd7o

I suspect there's a bit of third-world let's-put-the-previous-lot-in-jail going on.

[butchstewie]

It doesn't help that Bangladesh is one of the most corrupt countries on earth.

[Magikarp]

turbobloke said:

Pure panic mode. All No Idea Keir has Left on the panic menu is to depolarise the emitter array and send out a tachyon pulse. There's no Scotty to beam him up.

Was that clever? I can’t decide if capitalising the L in left, when discussing someone who isn’t remotely left wing is some weird satirical genius, or just fking moronic.

[MadCaptainJack]

butchstewie said:

It doesn't help that Bangladesh is one of the most corrupt countries on earth.

Is it as corrupt as the British Left?

[Digga]

butchstewie said:

It doesn't help that Bangladesh is one of the most corrupt countries on earth.

Foreign interference by the Labour Party won’t help.

[butchstewie]

It's grubby looking enough that I think it's right and for the best that she went but I'm honestly not sure I think you can be confident enough in the Bangladeshi justice system to be comfortable with something like extradition.

Frankly I think people saying she should be sent there are just letting their political bias show rather than being objective about it.

[turbobloke]

Magikarp said:

turbobloke said:

Pure panic mode. All No Idea Keir has Left on the panic menu is to depolarise the emitter array and send out a tachyon pulse. There's no Scotty to beam him up.

Was that clever? I can t decide if capitalising the L in left, when discussing someone who isn t remotely left wing is some weird satirical genius, or just fking moronic.

You forgot the O/T icon as that diatribe had nothing to do with the next 5 years with Labour. It's not my fault Starmer and Reeves are incompetent fools and Labour are a sleazy pile of ste despised by so many people.

Whenever that was posted it was so long ago that I don't recall, looking back 20 pages is as far back as I cba to go but it may have snuck under the tachyon pulse. If you thought it was moronic or genius, so what.

Your memory and / or patience in waiting to take a pop sure looks like you have an axe to grind, bravo. It's a fair summary now and would have been so at any time after the first disastrous budget which 2TK supported just like the recent one.

[Du1point8]

bks...

Zipcar to close UK business over Khan’s congestion charge - The Telegraph https://archive.is/20251201202323/https://www.tele...

[valiant]

Du1point8 said:

bks...

Zipcar to close UK business over Khan s congestion charge - The Telegraph https://archive.is/20251201202323/https://www.tele...

Because EVs don t contribute towards congestion, do they? And the CC only covers the central part of London. Lots of other parts of London they operate in.

And there s nothing to stop them operating in other British cities should they wish. Seems a cop out from ZipCar.

Edited by valiant on Monday 1st December 21:51

Edited by valiant on Monday 1st December 21:51

[Du1point8]

valiant said:

Du1point8 said:

bks...

Zipcar to close UK business over Khan s congestion charge - The Telegraph https://archive.is/20251201202323/https://www.tele...

Because EVs don t contribute towards congestion, do they? And the CC only covers the central part of London. Lots of other parts of London they operate in.

And there s nothing to stop them operating in other British cities should they wish. Seems a cop out from ZipCar.

Not sure I follow... being a car club means I don't need to own my own car, and hence it reduces congestion. They have 550,000 members who share 3000+ vehicles (1000 EV) in London and Heathrow... so if that's not reducing congestion, I don't know what is.

The club cant stop people driving into central London, but they pass a reduced rate onto the customer. Now EV are not exempt anymore, and congestion charge is rising, which makes the running of the club unfeasible, as they would need to pass on a larger congestion charge to the user, which makes the user not want to hire or be part of the club.

As for other places, they have already closed their operations in Bristol, Cambridge, and Oxford.

[valiant]

Because it's just an excuse for a doomed business.

The CC has been around longer than Zipcar and was brought in in it's original form by Red Ken. Zipcar would have already priced this on in their original business plan. The EV extension was always coming due to the massive take-up of EVs in London and so EVs would always have eventually been targeted as they contribute to the already hellish traffic within the zone.

Add in that the likes of Uber and hourly van rental places (like Hertz) have popped up to compete squeezing the likes of Zipcar even further, it becomes disingenuous from the Telegraph to imply that it's Khan's fault that they are closing shop when it's their business itself that has scaled back, as you've highlighted, to the point of giving up.

[turbobloke]

valiant said:

Because it's just an excuse for a doomed business.

The CC has been around longer than Zipcar and was brought in in it's original form by Red Ken. Zipcar would have already priced this on in their original business plan. The EV extension was always coming due to the massive take-up of EVs in London and so EVs would always have eventually been targeted as they contribute to the already hellish traffic within the zone.

Add in that the likes of Uber and hourly van rental places (like Hertz) have popped up to compete squeezing the likes of Zipcar even further, it becomes disingenuous from the Telegraph to imply that it's Khan's fault that they are closing shop when it's their business itself that has scaled back, as you've highlighted, to the point of giving up.

What's disingenuous about indicating a straw which broke the camel's back - nothing. Zipcar notes in the Telegraph article that rising electricity prices, insurance costs and demand reduction because of cost of living have already been putting the pressure on, energy costs and cost of living being worsening Labour problems since the election. Khan's latest money grabbing plot has sealed the deal for 2026 on.

Too few legislators with risking-own-money enterprise experience remains a pox on the landscape. Human rights beagle, councillor, Liberty Chair, Mayor... an equally clueless version of Starmer (human rights law, legal officer for Liberty, CPS, MP). With such people responsible for policy, SMEs and big businesses are the enemy to be used as cash cows paying for daft policies, a feature now shared and felt by many individual voters post 2024.

[Camoradi]

It's a little suspicious how so many "doomed to failure" businesses have managed to hang on until Labour got into government, and then close down.

I'm wondering if it's a capitalist plot to discredit Labour's economic policies.

[Du1point8]

Camoradi said:

It's a little suspicious how so many "doomed to failure" businesses have managed to hang on until Labour got into government, and then close down.

I'm wondering if it's a capitalist plot to discredit Labour's economic policies.

Sir... To discredit an economic policy... Labour must have one to start with.



damn autochecker overwatch

Edited by Du1point8 on Tuesday 2nd December 08:54

[turbobloke]

Camoradi said:

It's a little suspicious how so many "doomed to failure" businesses have managed to hang on until Labour got into government, and then close down.

I'm wondering if it's a capitalist plot to discredit Labour's economic policies.

Monthly company insolvency numbers in the first ten months of 2025 are higher than in 2024 with critical financial distress increasing across the economy. In Q2 2025, 49,309 businesses were in critical financial distress representing a 21.4% increase year-on-year, with all 22 sectors experiencing an increase.

It's a mystery

[ChemicalChaos]

Camoradi said:

It's a little suspicious how so many "doomed to failure" businesses have managed to hang on until Labour got into government, and then close down.

I'm wondering if it's a capitalist plot to discredit Labour's economic policies.

Alternatively, it's amazing how many businesses were just about viable, just about able to do their thing, until Labour's changes tipped the scales the wrong way

[Digga]

ChemicalChaos said:

Camoradi said:

It's a little suspicious how so many "doomed to failure" businesses have managed to hang on until Labour got into government, and then close down.

I'm wondering if it's a capitalist plot to discredit Labour's economic policies.

Alternatively, it's amazing how many businesses were just about viable, just about able to do their thing, until Labour's changes tipped the scales the wrong way

Labour are playing with a train set they have literally no experience or understanding of. It's like watching a drunk trying to drive. Any feedback from the controls, any finesse required is utterly blocked out by dumb, moronic blundering.

[GadgeS3C]

Digga said:

ChemicalChaos said:

Camoradi said:

It's a little suspicious how so many "doomed to failure" businesses have managed to hang on until Labour got into government, and then close down.

I'm wondering if it's a capitalist plot to discredit Labour's economic policies.

Alternatively, it's amazing how many businesses were just about viable, just about able to do their thing, until Labour's changes tipped the scales the wrong way

Labour are playing with a train set they have literally no experience or understanding of. It's like watching a drunk trying to drive. Any feedback from the controls, any finesse required is utterly blocked out by dumb, moronic blundering.

It could be worse - I give you the Sultana Party...

https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/1995556619866...

Thanks to Mr Penguin for the link - see Your Party thread for more insanity.

[Digga]

In better, more festive news, the 12 mistakenly released convicts of Christmas have arrived early:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8e9py8g2yyo