G20 attack cop, "comes forward"
Discussion
Whats driving me up the wall this morning is that the headlines make it out as though the yob involved in the G20 assault has shown some remorse/character and "came forward". Whereas in fact all that likely happened is he saw the videos of himself on TV and made a calculated decision to come forward now, before someone, eventually, puts him forward...
It's absolutely pathetic... What kind of c**t do you need to be to assault a person with their hands in their pockets walking away from you?
I used to work as a bouncer in nightclubs and seen a few scraps with the public. The general rule is unless in immediate danger you do not resort to physical violence. With time your confidece grows and you seem to learn to avoid and resolve incidents that normally would have been a guaranteed fight... You sometimes would get x-cons who are only doing it cause they get paid for being violent and short fused twunts but they generally don't last that long.
Seems to me that it's not very different in the police force: some cock got his riot gear on and thought it would be a laugh to flex his muscle on a guy walking away from him backed by 20 of his armour clad colleagues. Oh yes I am the man!!!! So hope he gets locked up and gets his asshole made a lot wider by other inmates!!
It's absolutely pathetic... What kind of c**t do you need to be to assault a person with their hands in their pockets walking away from you?
I used to work as a bouncer in nightclubs and seen a few scraps with the public. The general rule is unless in immediate danger you do not resort to physical violence. With time your confidece grows and you seem to learn to avoid and resolve incidents that normally would have been a guaranteed fight... You sometimes would get x-cons who are only doing it cause they get paid for being violent and short fused twunts but they generally don't last that long.
Seems to me that it's not very different in the police force: some cock got his riot gear on and thought it would be a laugh to flex his muscle on a guy walking away from him backed by 20 of his armour clad colleagues. Oh yes I am the man!!!! So hope he gets locked up and gets his asshole made a lot wider by other inmates!!
It looked to me as if the man was giving it some "this is how slowly I can walk and there is nothing you can do it about it attitude", and the police decide that they could do something about it.
Should they have pushed him, no. Does it happen regularly, probably. And I can understand and agree with it.
Should they have pushed him, no. Does it happen regularly, probably. And I can understand and agree with it.
isee said:
Whats driving me up the wall this morning is that the headlines make it out as though the yob involved in the G20 assault has shown some remorse/character and "came forward". Whereas in fact all that likely happened is he saw the videos of himself on TV and made a calculated decision to come forward now, before someone, eventually, puts him forward...
My thoughts too, it was only a matter of time before it was found out who they are. You'd need to be very daft to think that you'd get away with it. I also imagine that there has been some pressure applied on them to make sure they made themselves known before they were found out.funkyrobot said:
I don't know how anyone will be able to justify what that thug of a copper did to that chap. But, I guarantee you, some will try!
Oh I don't know. Once someone is walking away, you are pretty screwed if you hit them. Plod may have a legitimate defence and lawful excuse but I rather think that falls away if the circumstances stated above are shown (sorry, I haven't seen any footage) and he is basically committing GBH.
isee said:
Whats driving me up the wall this morning is that the headlines make it out as though the yob involved in the G20 assault has shown some remorse/character and "came forward". Whereas in fact all that likely happened is he saw the videos of himself on TV and made a calculated decision to come forward now, before someone, eventually, puts him forward...
It's absolutely pathetic... What kind of c**t do you need to be to assault a person with their hands in their pockets walking away from you?
I used to work as a bouncer in nightclubs and seen a few scraps with the public. The general rule is unless in immediate danger you do not resort to physical violence. With time your confidece grows and you seem to learn to avoid and resolve incidents that normally would have been a guaranteed fight... You sometimes would get x-cons who are only doing it cause they get paid for being violent and short fused twunts but they generally don't last that long.
Seems to me that it's not very different in the police force: some cock got his riot gear on and thought it would be a laugh to flex his muscle on a guy walking away from him backed by 20 of his armour clad colleagues. Oh yes I am the man!!!! So hope he gets locked up and gets his asshole made a lot wider by other inmates!!
My immediate reaction was to be appalled by this cops actions....however, none of us know the full facts.....what was the bloke doing there? what was said? why was he walking so slowly? was he trying to provocate the coppers? what happened before the video clip?It's absolutely pathetic... What kind of c**t do you need to be to assault a person with their hands in their pockets walking away from you?
I used to work as a bouncer in nightclubs and seen a few scraps with the public. The general rule is unless in immediate danger you do not resort to physical violence. With time your confidece grows and you seem to learn to avoid and resolve incidents that normally would have been a guaranteed fight... You sometimes would get x-cons who are only doing it cause they get paid for being violent and short fused twunts but they generally don't last that long.
Seems to me that it's not very different in the police force: some cock got his riot gear on and thought it would be a laugh to flex his muscle on a guy walking away from him backed by 20 of his armour clad colleagues. Oh yes I am the man!!!! So hope he gets locked up and gets his asshole made a lot wider by other inmates!!
None of us know the full facts so to dismiss the copper as a
is a little wide of the mark.Edited by The Orphan on Thursday 9th April 09:07
ZR1cliff said:
Anyone feel that from the way the deceased was slowly moving he was intentionaly obstructing the police ? Certainly looked to me like he was irritating them by shuffling along. If it was 'kicking off' elsewhere and he was in their way and had been told to move but resisted then I can understand what went on.
Or maybe, given that he ended up dead a short while later, he wasn't feeling very well. That and having been beaten up once already by the Police.
And his bad hip probably wasn't helping his movement either. Nice of the piggy to try and put his hip back in place with his night stick though.
Since when did "irritating the police" become a capital offense? The Police irritate me - can I give them a good kicking?
watch the footage here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7991206....
then try and justify what the copper did, the man was an animal and i feel strongly that he should be looking for work soon at the very least, if not a conviction to go with it.
the guy was trying to get home and was trying to get round the protest, the copper was way out of order.
is it any wonder we get the attitude off some of the next generation when they see the so called police doing this. i know there will be people telling me what a horrid job the plod do, fine, deal with it you chose to do it, if you can't then leave, don't attack people with their hands in their pockets.
he is no better than some knife wielding chav mugger.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7991206....
then try and justify what the copper did, the man was an animal and i feel strongly that he should be looking for work soon at the very least, if not a conviction to go with it.
the guy was trying to get home and was trying to get round the protest, the copper was way out of order.
is it any wonder we get the attitude off some of the next generation when they see the so called police doing this. i know there will be people telling me what a horrid job the plod do, fine, deal with it you chose to do it, if you can't then leave, don't attack people with their hands in their pockets.
he is no better than some knife wielding chav mugger.
rasputin said:
I see there's a new addition to the list.
"I don't care how much education you've had, how many years of on the job training and years of experience you've got, I can still do your job better than you":
Psychology
Computing/Programming
Pilot
+Police
Sorry for beig thick, what are you saying?"I don't care how much education you've had, how many years of on the job training and years of experience you've got, I can still do your job better than you":
Psychology
Computing/Programming
Pilot
+Police
Or rather I don't quite get the tone.
ZR1cliff said:
The fact is we don't know what happened prior to the filming, we also don't know what was being said. We know the police were in a confrontational and aggresive mood because of what was going on around them. We also know the police can't deal with a possible riot situation by asking people to politely move along.
Anyone feel that from the way the deceased was slowly moving he was intentionaly obstructing the police ? Certainly looked to me like he was irritating them by shuffling along. If it was 'kicking off' elsewhere and he was in their way and had been told to move but resisted then I can understand what went on.
Why were ALL the cops looking at him, including the dog?? Like you say, what had happened in the minutes before?Anyone feel that from the way the deceased was slowly moving he was intentionaly obstructing the police ? Certainly looked to me like he was irritating them by shuffling along. If it was 'kicking off' elsewhere and he was in their way and had been told to move but resisted then I can understand what went on.
Or, he did look kinda sickly to me. Maybe he had already h/was having a bit of a heart attack and was in horrendous pain?
And just in case anybody doesn't know, heart attacks are not all 'a stabbing pain in the chest'. They can come on slowly, with a whole variety of symptoms and pains in various areas of the body.
ZR1cliff said:
The fact is we don't know what happened prior to the filming, we also don't know what was being said. We know the police were in a confrontational and aggresive mood because of what was going on around them. We also know the police can't deal with a possible riot situation by asking people to politely move along.
Anyone feel that from the way the deceased was slowly moving he was intentionaly obstructing the police ? Certainly looked to me like he was irritating them by shuffling along. If it was 'kicking off' elsewhere and he was in their way and had been told to move but resisted then I can understand what went on.
Since when did anything which had, speculatively, gone on prior to this happening give any of the heavily armed officers the right, or the entitlement, to shove an unarmed member of the public, walking away from them, in the back?Anyone feel that from the way the deceased was slowly moving he was intentionaly obstructing the police ? Certainly looked to me like he was irritating them by shuffling along. If it was 'kicking off' elsewhere and he was in their way and had been told to move but resisted then I can understand what went on.
Surely the only legitimate time for a police officer to use any force at all is in defending themselves or other members of the public from direct attack.
If he was - as is suggested by you - impeding the police in the execution of their duty, they should have arrested him.
Sadly, I have seen at first hand that the uniform seems to trigger a power trip for certain officers and seems to detach them from the public who they are supposed to protect and serve. This confrontational style - as part of which the police film and intimidate perfectly legitimate protests and protestors (whether we agree with the reasons for the protest or not) is utterly unacceptable in a supposedly democratic society.
Edited by jonnylayze on Thursday 9th April 10:07
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