Hundred held over 'power protest'
Discussion
"More than 100 people have been arrested over an alleged conspiracy to commit aggravated trespass and criminal damage at a power industry facility."
In the current climate with our government, how many others are concerned by the "Conspiracy to commit" bit?
Was this protest really going to involve wrecking power stations or is it another heavy handed Police approach using questionably sourced intelligence to stop peoples right to peaceful protest?
In the current climate with our government, how many others are concerned by the "Conspiracy to commit" bit?
Was this protest really going to involve wrecking power stations or is it another heavy handed Police approach using questionably sourced intelligence to stop peoples right to peaceful protest?
The latter.
Now that all our phone calls are listened to and all our emails read we have reached the point where it is illegal to think out of line. If you are not 100% politically correct and onside with new labour then your front door may well get kicked in by the police at 4AM.
It is happening plently of times all over the country. After a few days they will be let free, just like the pakistani students.
Our rights and freedoms are gone and we are living in George Orwells 1984. We are under constant surveilance and the police and government have used the excuse of terrorism to give themselves excessive powers that are far more often abused than used as they were supposedly intended.
And most people are sleepwalking into this.
Now that all our phone calls are listened to and all our emails read we have reached the point where it is illegal to think out of line. If you are not 100% politically correct and onside with new labour then your front door may well get kicked in by the police at 4AM.
It is happening plently of times all over the country. After a few days they will be let free, just like the pakistani students.
Our rights and freedoms are gone and we are living in George Orwells 1984. We are under constant surveilance and the police and government have used the excuse of terrorism to give themselves excessive powers that are far more often abused than used as they were supposedly intended.
And most people are sleepwalking into this.
You mean this?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/08/1...
I guess if they were attempting a break in it's good that they were stopped. I'm in two minds about it to be fair, on one hand I get irritated by their lack of knowledge on the subject they choose to protest about and on the other they seem to be the only ones exercising their right to do so. If it hastens the CC of Coal powered Plants then it can't be bad, if it s just a mindless attack on anything then it's not so good.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/08/1...
I guess if they were attempting a break in it's good that they were stopped. I'm in two minds about it to be fair, on one hand I get irritated by their lack of knowledge on the subject they choose to protest about and on the other they seem to be the only ones exercising their right to do so. If it hastens the CC of Coal powered Plants then it can't be bad, if it s just a mindless attack on anything then it's not so good.
Duke of Rothesay said:
The latter.
Now that all our phone calls are listened to and all our emails read we have reached the point where it is illegal to think out of line. If you are not 100% politically correct and onside with new labour then your front door may well get kicked in by the police at 4AM.
It is happening plently of times all over the country. After a few days they will be let free, just like the pakistani students.
Our rights and freedoms are gone and we are living in George Orwells 1984. We are under constant surveilance and the police and government have used the excuse of terrorism to give themselves excessive powers that are far more often abused than used as they were supposedly intended.
And most people are sleepwalking into this.
Or your talking bNow that all our phone calls are listened to and all our emails read we have reached the point where it is illegal to think out of line. If you are not 100% politically correct and onside with new labour then your front door may well get kicked in by the police at 4AM.
It is happening plently of times all over the country. After a few days they will be let free, just like the pakistani students.
Our rights and freedoms are gone and we are living in George Orwells 1984. We are under constant surveilance and the police and government have used the excuse of terrorism to give themselves excessive powers that are far more often abused than used as they were supposedly intended.
And most people are sleepwalking into this.
ks and just a tad paranoid. Still you do actually think it's 1984 in terms of how the police work so you are part right.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Duke of Rothesay said:
The latter.
Now that all our phone calls are listened to and all our emails read we have reached the point where it is illegal to think out of line. If you are not 100% politically correct and onside with new labour then your front door may well get kicked in by the police at 4AM.
It is happening plently of times all over the country. After a few days they will be let free, just like the pakistani students.
Our rights and freedoms are gone and we are living in George Orwells 1984. We are under constant surveilance and the police and government have used the excuse of terrorism to give themselves excessive powers that are far more often abused than used as they were supposedly intended.
And most people are sleepwalking into this.
Or your talking bNow that all our phone calls are listened to and all our emails read we have reached the point where it is illegal to think out of line. If you are not 100% politically correct and onside with new labour then your front door may well get kicked in by the police at 4AM.
It is happening plently of times all over the country. After a few days they will be let free, just like the pakistani students.
Our rights and freedoms are gone and we are living in George Orwells 1984. We are under constant surveilance and the police and government have used the excuse of terrorism to give themselves excessive powers that are far more often abused than used as they were supposedly intended.
And most people are sleepwalking into this.
ks and just a tad paranoid. Still you do actually think it's 1984 in terms of how the police work so you are part right.
82 year old labour party veteran of 57 years.
Exercising his rights of free speech at a labour party conference.
Evicted by the police using terrorist legislation.
No paranoia needed.
Wow same old same old again and again. He was evicted by stewards.
You are top cats again or freeman or fitwatch AICMFP.
Anyone can find a few examples of bad use of law each day among the tens of thousands of police interactions. A conspiracy and wide spread corruption it does not make.
You are top cats again or freeman or fitwatch AICMFP.
Anyone can find a few examples of bad use of law each day among the tens of thousands of police interactions. A conspiracy and wide spread corruption it does not make.
Invisible man said:
You mean this?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/08/1...
I guess if they were attempting a break in it's good that they were stopped. I'm in two minds about it to be fair, on one hand I get irritated by their lack of knowledge on the subject they choose to protest about and on the other they seem to be the only ones exercising their right to do so. If it hastens the CC of Coal powered Plants then it can't be bad, if it s just a mindless attack on anything then it's not so good.
Arrested for their own protection more like, they can't sail raft down a river without needing to be rescued imagine the damage they would do to themselves in a power station.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/08/1...
I guess if they were attempting a break in it's good that they were stopped. I'm in two minds about it to be fair, on one hand I get irritated by their lack of knowledge on the subject they choose to protest about and on the other they seem to be the only ones exercising their right to do so. If it hastens the CC of Coal powered Plants then it can't be bad, if it s just a mindless attack on anything then it's not so good.
mrmr96 said:
So, it this, like, Minority Report then?
Yep.Same with the pakistani students.
It is illegal now to think if that thought runs against the wishes of the state.
Free speech has been made illegal, using terrorist and political correctness legislation.
And the police are very happy to enforce this.
Fire99 said:
In the current climate with our government, how many others are concerned by the "Conspiracy to commit" bit?
Not wishing to side with the state in this one (I am a confirmed TinFoil hat member), but conspiracy to commit has long been an offence.It's not something thought up by this Govt, I was taught it at Uni years ago, Criminal Law 101..
Look up Damian Green.
A Conservative MP who had his home, constituency office and office in the house of commons turned upside down by the anti terrorist police.
Yet he was never charged with anything.
Another example of the opressive out of control state and the police doing their dirty work. Even our parliamentary democracy isn't safe.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/01/dam...
http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/email/i-take-...
A Conservative MP who had his home, constituency office and office in the house of commons turned upside down by the anti terrorist police.
Yet he was never charged with anything.
Another example of the opressive out of control state and the police doing their dirty work. Even our parliamentary democracy isn't safe.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/dec/01/dam...
http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/email/i-take-...
'1984' is pretty-much bang-on alright. Ok, you may not choose to have your mobile 'phone with you at all times (but most people do these days) and it is fact that the authorities have the ability to track it's physical (ie. your) location. They can even do this after the fact, looking up historical information on where 'your phone' has been... Together with the new Police powers that are handed-down on an almost daily basis and the prevalence of CCTV + MoP phone cameras and in retrospect George only had half the story...This is not paranoid, this is British society today, the most surveilled (if that's a word) society in the world right now.
Jasandjules said:
Fire99 said:
In the current climate with our government, how many others are concerned by the "Conspiracy to commit" bit?
Not wishing to side with the state in this one (I am a confirmed TinFoil hat member), but conspiracy to commit has long been an offence.It's not something thought up by this Govt, I was taught it at Uni years ago, Criminal Law 101..
ExChrispy Porker said:
Common Law?
I am probably wrong but conspiracy, attempt, incitement etc.. were all common law offences for hundreds of years but the Crimal Law Act '77 added them as statutory offences (though I think there are still sections which are common law only due to the difficulties in actually identifying how the crime would work for statute purposes).I think they have got this all wrong.
They should allow anyone who trespasses onto a power station is allowed to be shot. Then their families will never be allowed to have electricity provided again.
Seems fair enough to me.
I am all for peaceful protest, I'm am not pro-sabotage that disrupts the entire country for no reason. Especially when they are all misinformed over the power station - climate change argument.
They should allow anyone who trespasses onto a power station is allowed to be shot. Then their families will never be allowed to have electricity provided again.
Seems fair enough to me.
I am all for peaceful protest, I'm am not pro-sabotage that disrupts the entire country for no reason. Especially when they are all misinformed over the power station - climate change argument.
Interesting. I'm all for lawful protest but breaking into a highly dangerous setup like a power station is out of order. Had it been shut down due to this it could have had knock on effect for thousands of others inc you or me, and that's also bang out of order.
Protest and vote in the Greens/BNP if you want, but don't bugger up others lives doing it.
If I was in charge of said UK power supply and had anyone been convicted of actually causing damage then I would have immediately refused to supply that individual with any electricity at their private address, i'm sure all/most of the others suppliers/distributers would sign up to that as well.
Don't want electricity fine make your own and P*SS off.
Ditto any of these scrap thieves nicking copper wiring from sub stations etc, convicted then cut off permanently end of story.
Protest and vote in the Greens/BNP if you want, but don't bugger up others lives doing it.
If I was in charge of said UK power supply and had anyone been convicted of actually causing damage then I would have immediately refused to supply that individual with any electricity at their private address, i'm sure all/most of the others suppliers/distributers would sign up to that as well.
Don't want electricity fine make your own and P*SS off.
Ditto any of these scrap thieves nicking copper wiring from sub stations etc, convicted then cut off permanently end of story.
peterperkins said:
Interesting. I'm all for lawful protest but breaking into a highly dangerous setup like a power station is out of order. Had it been shut down due to this it could have had knock on effect for thousands of others inc you or me, and that's also bang out of order.
Protest and vote in the Greens/BNP if you want, but don't bugger up others lives doing it.
If I was in charge of said UK power supply and had anyone been convicted of actually causing damage then I would have immediately refused to supply that individual with any electricity at their private address, i'm sure all/most of the others suppliers/distributers would sign up to that as well.
Don't want electricity fine make your own and P*SS off.
Ditto any of these scrap thieves nicking copper wiring from sub stations etc, convicted then cut off permanently end of story.
Protest and vote in the Greens/BNP if you want, but don't bugger up others lives doing it.
If I was in charge of said UK power supply and had anyone been convicted of actually causing damage then I would have immediately refused to supply that individual with any electricity at their private address, i'm sure all/most of the others suppliers/distributers would sign up to that as well.
Don't want electricity fine make your own and P*SS off.
Ditto any of these scrap thieves nicking copper wiring from sub stations etc, convicted then cut off permanently end of story.
Two thumbs up from me.
Fire99 said:
Was this protest really going to involve wrecking power stations or is it another heavy handed Police approach using questionably sourced intelligence to stop peoples right to peaceful protest?
There is a 3rd option. A mass tresspass that closes down the power station without "wrecking it".Peaceful protest is one thing but protesting gives you no right to disrupt power supplies. So I think the police action is fully justified.
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