Three met officers arrested

Author
Discussion

Battenburg Bob

8,234 posts

133 months

Wednesday 13th May 2009
quotequote all
Poledriver said:
I hope that DoR's car doesn't give any clues to his PH persona. He'll be in for a rough time if any PH BiB's see him! (I hope)
Nope, he'd be treated the same as anyone else. I wouldn't waste my time!

Einion Yrth

17,722 posts

185 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Battenburg Bob said:
Poledriver said:
I hope that DoR's car doesn't give any clues to his PH persona. He'll be in for a rough time if any PH BiB's see him! (I hope)
Nope, he'd be treated the same as anyone else.
You mean you'd beat him up, hold him for 42 days without access to a lawyer and then shoot him? Good.








Joke B.B. wink

Duke of Rothesay

Original Poster:

671 posts

121 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Battenburg Bob said:
And I mean EVERY post making ridiculous accusations, with absolutely no acceptance of any other point of view. Would you enjoy logging on to find one nutter attacking you at every opportunity.
You are distorting the truth (no surprise there).

1) Every post I make isn't about plod. Some are.
2) Look at the original post on this thread, is that a ridiculous accusation? It is the factual reporting of a major story in the news section of this forum. Can you tell the difference?
3) Why should I accept other points of view when they are wrong? You obviously think that you are right all the time and are unable to entertain other views.
4) I am not a nutter. You keep calling me names, as do the other BiBs. This is just an attempt at bullying me. Which has the opposite effect. Also you are breaking forum rules.
5) I am not attacking you, I am trying to help you by making constructive criticism so the police can improve themselves. They need to.
6) It is not "one nutter", a lot of the criticism of plod on here has come from a wide range of members. Are they nutters too?

I suggest you grow up and grow some. All you do by making wild and innacurate accusations like this is to bring further discredit to the police.

willd58

1,559 posts

149 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Duke of Rothesay said:
5) I am not attacking you, I am trying to help you by making constructive criticism so the police can improve themselves. They need to.
Care to demonstrate how you have been constructive? I don't see it. All you have done is post a link to show that there are some bent police, great, good job, do you think this deserves a medal?

There are criminals in all walks of life, try and get your obviously small mind round that idea. Bent plod isn't a UK only thing, its in every single country on the earth.

Duke of Rothesay

Original Poster:

671 posts

121 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
willd58 said:
Duke of Rothesay said:
5) I am not attacking you, I am trying to help you by making constructive criticism so the police can improve themselves. They need to.
Care to demonstrate how you have been constructive? I don't see it. All you have done is post a link to show that there are some bent police, great, good job, do you think this deserves a medal?

There are criminals in all walks of life, try and get your obviously small mind round that idea. Bent plod isn't a UK only thing, its in every single country on the earth.
Constructive: I have tried to analyse what is causing the problems. Excessive powers, politicisation, freemasonry, canteen culture etc etc.

I know there are criminals in all walks of life. I have met quite a few. But the police are supposed to be on the other side of the fence, the force that protects society from criminals. So when a totally innocent newspaper seller or Brazilian electrician ends up dead at the hands of the police one has to ask questions. The same with these three bent met plod. Do you want it kept secret, swept under the carpet? Or is it a legitimate news item for people to know about?
Advertisement

Duke of Rothesay

Original Poster:

671 posts

121 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Guam said:
Duke of Rothesay said:
willd58 said:
Duke of Rothesay said:
5) I am not attacking you, I am trying to help you by making constructive criticism so the police can improve themselves. They need to.
Care to demonstrate how you have been constructive? I don't see it. All you have done is post a link to show that there are some bent police, great, good job, do you think this deserves a medal?

There are criminals in all walks of life, try and get your obviously small mind round that idea. Bent plod isn't a UK only thing, its in every single country on the earth.
Constructive: I have tried to analyse what is causing the problems. Excessive powers, politicisation, freemasonry, canteen culture etc etc.

I know there are criminals in all walks of life. I have met quite a few. But the police are supposed to be on the other side of the fence, the force that protects society from criminals. So when a totally innocent newspaper seller or Brazilian electrician ends up dead at the hands of the police one has to ask questions. The same with these three bent met plod. Do you want it kept secret, swept under the carpet? Or is it a legitimate news item for people to know about?
LOL just had to toss the Masons in again didnt you smile

You are not trolling oh no, Ok then I will bite show us what you see as the problem with anyone being in the masons Bib or otherwisesmile

Or the Lions or the Buffs, or a local Golf Club or any other social club ( Automotive clubs would be a really good one as many Bib are in all manner of car clubs) smile

Time to pony up with some hard information rather than tossing purile innuendo about and claiming " I am being constructive" smile
Another totally horrendous thing is that coppers are allowed to be freemasons.
Lots and lots of them are.

Masonic rules state that members must do all they can to support each other, to look after each other and to keep each others' lawful secrets.

Which creates an instant conflict of interest. If you are a non mason involved in a police matter against a mason you know whose side the police are going to take. We have a two class criminal justice system.

The masonry explains lots of very strange police decisions when they go after people they shouldn't and don't go after people they should. Just because the masonry is secret do not underestimate its size and power. 300,000 members in the UK is a lot of influence.

"You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations."

Ronayne
Handbook of Masonry, page 183

All Jagged Up

148 posts

120 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Guam said:
.LOL just had to toss the Masons in again didnt you smile

You are not trolling oh no, Ok then I will bite show us what you see as the problem with anyone being in the masons Bib or otherwisesmile
The only thing I could see as a negative? It doesn't allow girls to join. wink On the plus side - men get to dress up in pretty costumes and learn a funny handshake. hehe


Guam said:
Or the Lions or the Buffs, or a local Golf Club or any other social club ( Automotive clubs would be a really good one as many Bib are in all manner of car clubs) smile
OK as they allow girls in.. even St Andrews Golf Club per the news bulletins. Some police even play in the Jazz band I play in.

By the way - why do you call the police "bib"? Do they wear bibs?



Guam said:
Time to pony up with some hard information rather than tossing purile innuendo about and claiming " I am being constructive" smile
How about you chilling out and letting this other person (duke of wherever "Wrath- I -say") amuse us all. Not laughed quite so much since I last taught 3X (the remedial set in a bog standard comp of the sink variety).


All Jagged Up

148 posts

120 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
The Ben said:
I noticed a lot of ganging up on certain individuals recently, I haven't got any beef with anyone on here, and like to think I get on with most people. But I think if someone posts something that you find uninteresting than why mention it, it makes you look like 1) a bully,
2) an idiot

I don't know the OP and as far as I know he could be a troll/trouble maker, but I don't think there was any problems with this thread. if you're uninterested in the thread don't post, if, if you have a positive contribution then post. But constant slating and seeming victimisation makes PH an unattractive place...
I would agree as I have noted some posts which I do not understand nor want to bother trying to. I skip over but it takes the discussion away from the whole point of the discussion.

All it tells me is that the poster is perhaps unpleasant and as puerile as the person he or she's trying to intimidate.


Battenburg Bob

8,234 posts

133 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Duke of Rothesay said:
"You must conceal all crimes of your brother Masons...and should you be summoned as a witness against a brother Mason be always sure to shield him...It may be perjury to do this, it is true, but you're keeping your obligations."

Ronayne
Handbook of Masonry, page 183
I'm glad you knew where to find that, because I wouldn't have.

Claiming your posts are 'constructive' is the funniest thing I've heard in a long time. You tar all 140'000 Police Officers by the actions of one or two. You talk of 'canteen culture' and the rest. Your complete ignorance of the the what is actually happening in the Police today (ignorance or you just don't want to acknowledge it, because it doesn't fit into your extremist views) is the most telling.

There are plenty on PH who criticise the Police. Sometimes with good reason. You just come across as a desperate and rather sad individual.

Poledriver

26,938 posts

135 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
The OP obviously does not have the courage of his convictions or he wouldn't be hiding behind stupid names, pictures and web-sites in his profile!
Have they taken your licence away recently?

Duke of Rothesay

Original Poster:

671 posts

121 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Poledriver said:
The OP obviously does not have the courage of his convictions or he wouldn't be hiding behind stupid names, pictures and web-sites in his profile!
Have they taken your licence away recently?
So you were christened Poledriver?
And I have a clean driving license.

Poledriver

26,938 posts

135 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Duke of Rothesay said:
Poledriver said:
The OP obviously does not have the courage of his convictions or he wouldn't be hiding behind stupid names, pictures and web-sites in his profile!
Have they taken your licence away recently?
So you were christened Poledriver?
And I have a clean driving license.
No I wasn't, but I don't hide behind my nickname in my profile, and you certainly aren't Prince Charles! Or do you have some delusional problem?

Graham E

10,837 posts

127 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Duke of Rothesay said:
Andy Zarse said:
Duke of Rothesay said:
Einion Yrth said:
Christ almighty, I'm no great lover of the police, but will you give it a rest?
This is the news section.
And this is a breaking news story that is already on the BBC and Mail websites.
Press Association: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/A...

So give it a rest, there's a good chap.
You're a funny little man aren't you.
18 stone ex rugby player little.
But I am glad that you are amused.
you fat bd!

alfabadass

1,841 posts

140 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
mcdjl said:
Surely this is just as worthy of comment on this section as the MPs expenses? Whats more noteworthy is thta the police have been arrested for what seems to be the same offence that has been committed MPs who haven't broken any rules (though some of them are now offering to pay back the excess...odd that the police aren't offered this option)
That offence is reserved for people who have done something dodgy but not totally dodgy that it fits a standard offence, or they're going easy on them.

Reading between the lines, these guys went for a big meal or a series of big meals or something whilst in leads with their other halves? ie three "relatives" have also been arrested as well as three officers. Just a guess though.

s3fella

10,522 posts

128 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Battenburg Bob said:
Try being a motoring enthusiast and Bib. Every day you log on and you find one individual (without fail)consistently accusing you and other members of your profession of being corrupt, thugs, nazis, etc etc.

And I mean EVERY post making ridiculous accusations, with absolutely no acceptance of any other point of view. Would you enjoy logging on to find one nutter attacking you at every opportunity.

The 'Duke' has some serious issues. If he can't take it, he shouldn't dish it out. I very much doubt he would have the courage to make such accusations to our faces.
This is the problem, Bob. This is how you perceive it, but it is not how it looks to the rest of us.

I think you and others deliberately look for the Duke's posts in all forums and start to try to read stuff in it that is not there. Yes, he highlights issues that appear to be negative toward the police, but if the info or news is out there, and he is interested in it for whatever reason, then what's the harm? But to gang up on him like some do, and accuse him of things that are just incorrect, sort of proves some of his points! He has been accused on here of the comments made by another poster, and not only is it wrong, it is irrelevant to this thread.

If you dont like his posts, dont read them, just enjoy the many many thousands of posts each day that wont rile and upset you. By resorting to the name calling that some do on here is just addiing fuel to his fire. Not sayign you do, but others do.
Just ignore it, seems easy enough to me, or if you think he is out of order, report him.

And the mason thing, well I am afraid I agree that he is right, the masonic handbook does suggest a massive potential conflict of interest. However, I perceive this to be less of a problem now that it was 25 years ago, as there is far less secrecy surrounding being a member of the Freemasons now than there once was.
I am sure there are still BIB members, but there was a time when it was suggested you pretty much could only get in if you were a BIB or Mag etc! So whilst i may be very wrong, my perception is that it is less of an issue nowadays.

Edited by s3fella on Thursday 14th May 13:13

Spiritual_Beggar

4,828 posts

135 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Well said.

This thread has desended into personal abuse towards DoR....and that's just not justified!

My gripe with him is that he has to start a new thread for each new story about Police corruption, rather than create one thread and have all the stories in one location (so as not to clog up the List of threads).

I actually agree with a few of his views on the Police. They have definately become more disolusioned and seperated from the community. When the BiB believe that or not....the amount of public opinion supporting this is all the evidence they need.

But I also believe that the Government don't make it easy for the police when they are forced to follow such ridiculous legislation such as the Anti-terorism act! The BiB should still use discretion though, and more and more these days, that does not seem to be the case.



Either way, lets address the issues from the story...and not abuse other 'Felloe' PHers.

In the words of the great Jack Nicholson;

"Can't we all just....get along"


Duke of Rothesay

Original Poster:

671 posts

121 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all

Three relatives of the officers – two detective sergeants and a constable – were also detained by anti-corruption officers, who have scrutinised tens of thousands of pounds of expenses claimed by the trio.

Scotland Yard would not disclose the size of the alleged swindle but sources said the accusations were ‘extremely serious’.

The detectives, who were based in Yorkshire for two years, were arrested early yesterday as part of a force-wide inquiry into purchases made on Met American Express cards.

The inquiry was opened after auditors found nearly £2million of expenses were unaccounted for.

The Met continues to complete checks on spending by the holders of 3,500 American Express corporate charge cards in use since 2006.

Auditors were asked to review the way a number were used after fears of widespread misuse surfaced.

A total of 35 cases, some including spending of more than £70,000, were referred for further investigation. The credit cards were initially only issued to counter-terrorist detectives and those involved in diplomatic and royalty protection.

The Metropolitan Police Authority has said internal control of payments had been unacceptable.

Former detective sergeant John Gallagher, 52, was sentenced to an eight-month prison sentence suspended for two years last year.

The alcoholic admitted misconductin a public office for abuse of his corporate charge card and repaid £9,622.

Former detective sergeant Richard De Cadenet, 49, was jailed for ten months after pleading guilty to spending more than £70,000 on his police-issue credit card.

One officer awaits trial and eight received written warnings.



Source, the DW: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1181008/7-...

Battenburg Bob

8,234 posts

133 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Why don't you set up your own website. You can spend your day searching the net for all this 'news' to your hearts content.

As for bullying! It would seem that if we don't agree, then WE are not allowed to respond without you throwing your toys out of the cot. I generally ignore those that irritate (Wildcat and friends), but you are the exception. I think you are genuinely disturbed to have such an agenda. If you don't like my opinion, then tough. You can just ignore it!

el stovey

25,812 posts

204 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
I expect part of the problem is that being in the Police gives some people disproportionate responsibility and influence, which are perhaps more than the salary and entry requirements would normally command.

I think the Police should be much better paid and far harder to get into. What can be more important than getting the right people in our Police forces? The salary should properly reflect the hard work, responsibility, difficult shift working and tough conditions that these guys work in.

We all expect the Police to help when we need them, lets pay them much better and they might not need to top up their salary with this kind of grubby activity.

I've lived in countries with a dodgy police force, the U.K. is far from being one of them. Three police officers have been arrested. It's a bit early to be banging on about widespread corruption.

Martial Arts Man

4,346 posts

127 months

Thursday 14th May 2009
quotequote all
Battenburg Bob said:
As for bullying! It would seem that if we don't agree, then WE are not allowed to respond without you throwing your toys out of the cot.
You are guilty of playing the man not the ball here BB. Despite annoying a large section of PH, I don't recall DOR doing the same.

Rise above it if you feel that annoyed. It just aint worth it!