Kidnapped Soldier
Discussion
V8mate said:
scorp said:
V8mate said:
They could launch a daring (and successful) special forces mission to recapture him quite easily though
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Assuming they knew were he is, afghanistan isn't exactly small.[/cynic]
Hedders said:
"In the 28-minute video, he says the date is 14 July and that he was captured as he lagged behind while on a patrol. "
WTF?
Nobody saw him get kidnapped? He really must have been lagging!
Anyway, he is dead already.
"He was named as Pte Bowe Bergdahl, 23, from Ketchum, Idaho. He went missing from his base in a Taleban stronghold near the pakistani border last month. "
Seems like a strange way of telling us someones name, no?
Also spelled Taliban wrongWTF?
Nobody saw him get kidnapped? He really must have been lagging!
Anyway, he is dead already.
"He was named as Pte Bowe Bergdahl, 23, from Ketchum, Idaho. He went missing from his base in a Taleban stronghold near the pakistani border last month. "
Seems like a strange way of telling us someones name, no?
Edited by Hedders on Monday 20th July 08:04
Tomlev40 said:
Hedders said:
"In the 28-minute video, he says the date is 14 July and that he was captured as he lagged behind while on a patrol. "
WTF?
Nobody saw him get kidnapped? He really must have been lagging!
Anyway, he is dead already.
"He was named as Pte Bowe Bergdahl, 23, from Ketchum, Idaho. He went missing from his base in a Taleban stronghold near the pakistani border last month. "
Seems like a strange way of telling us someones name, no?
Also spelled Taliban wrongWTF?
Nobody saw him get kidnapped? He really must have been lagging!
Anyway, he is dead already.
"He was named as Pte Bowe Bergdahl, 23, from Ketchum, Idaho. He went missing from his base in a Taleban stronghold near the pakistani border last month. "
Seems like a strange way of telling us someones name, no?
Edited by Hedders on Monday 20th July 08:04
Jimbeaux said:
Zod said:
Jimbeaux said:
Zod said:
This is a ludicrous thread.
Do you mean a thread about a kidnapped, captured, etc. soldier or that someone is trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory?V8mate, do you not think that if the video is a US fake that they couldn't have put a couple of guys in masks beside him chanting alahu akbar?
mechsympathy said:
Jimbeaux said:
Zod said:
Jimbeaux said:
Zod said:
This is a ludicrous thread.
Do you mean a thread about a kidnapped, captured, etc. soldier or that someone is trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory?V8mate, do you not think that if the video is a US fake that they couldn't have put a couple of guys in masks beside him chanting alahu akbar?
V8mate said:
mechsympathy said:
Jimbeaux said:
Zod said:
Jimbeaux said:
Zod said:
This is a ludicrous thread.
Do you mean a thread about a kidnapped, captured, etc. soldier or that someone is trying to turn it into a conspiracy theory?V8mate, do you not think that if the video is a US fake that they couldn't have put a couple of guys in masks beside him chanting alahu akbar?
Well 5 years later and the Americans have secured his release in exchange for 5 top Taliban commanders who were being held at Guantanamo Bay.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secur...
A heavy price to pay some are saying especially considering the soldier in question allegedly deserted his post in the first place.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bowe-bergdahl-us-soldi...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-secur...
A heavy price to pay some are saying especially considering the soldier in question allegedly deserted his post in the first place.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bowe-bergdahl-us-soldi...
Interesting reading don't know how accurate but this makes the guy sound like a fruitcake
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/143437-american-so...
Further interesting reading. If this man did desert on purpose.
"We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."
Alledged email to parents
Pulled from Wikipedia.
Bowe sent a final e-mail to his parents: "The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting."
His email went on to describe his disillusionment in the army: "In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing s
t bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools...I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live. We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them...I am sorry for everything. The horror that is america is disgusting...There are a few more boxes coming to you guys. Feel free to open them, and use them."
http://www.ijreview.com/2014/06/143437-american-so...
Further interesting reading. If this man did desert on purpose.
"We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province, Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (Airbone) ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one thought anything about it. He was a little “out there”. Next morning he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon, his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an american walking north asking about where the taliban are. We get hits on our voice intercepter that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to realize the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities. The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it. Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for his family who only want their son/brother back. They don’t know the truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his family and his whole town back home, who don’t know the truth. Either way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying on all those Taliban videos about everything since his “capture”. If he ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to face that truth someday."
Alledged email to parents
Pulled from Wikipedia.
Bowe sent a final e-mail to his parents: "The future is too good to waste on lies. And life is way too short to care for the damnation of others, as well as to spend it helping fools with their ideas that are wrong. I have seen their ideas and I am ashamed to even be american. The horror of the self-righteous arrogance that they thrive in. It is all revolting."
His email went on to describe his disillusionment in the army: "In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing s
t bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank... The system is wrong. I am ashamed to be an american. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools...I am sorry for everything here. These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid, that they have no idea how to live. We don't even care when we hear each other talk about running their children down in the dirt streets with our armored trucks... We make fun of them in front of their faces, and laugh at them for not understanding we are insulting them...I am sorry for everything. The horror that is america is disgusting...There are a few more boxes coming to you guys. Feel free to open them, and use them."Edited by Pesty on Sunday 1st June 22:14
Pesty said:
His email went on to describe his disillusionment in the army: "In the US army you are cut down for being honest... but if you are a conceited brown nosing st bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank...
Apparently he's being promoted to Staff Sergeant next month.t bag you will be allowed to do what ever you want, and you will be handed your higher rank...I wonder whether they understand the concept of irony.
happy (ish) ending It's all very surreal.
"The Taliban commander who spoke to NBC News directly said Bergdahl was given a traditional Afghan turban as a parting gift before his release.
"It is war in which they kill us and we kill them, but we did whatever we could to make him happy and return with good memories," he said."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-rel...
"The Taliban commander who spoke to NBC News directly said Bergdahl was given a traditional Afghan turban as a parting gift before his release.
"It is war in which they kill us and we kill them, but we did whatever we could to make him happy and return with good memories," he said."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-rel...
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