Theresa May speaking at the Plod federation conference
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
There was no labour ‘splurge’. They told lies. It is funny how people believe what they say on that but challenge everything else.
I don't know what your definition of a wasted splurge is, but the facts aren't lies. Of course it was a splurge, and it was largely wasted.http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Mr GrimNasty said:
I don't know what your definition of a wasted splurge is, but the facts aren't lies. Of course it was a splurge, and it was largely wasted.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Ah! The LSE, that well-known A-political source of facts and figures. I subscribe to another blog of the LSE, British Politics and Policy at LSE, and I have found it advisable to check every 'fact' twice.http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Let's talk about the first graph the comparison of forces and costs. Two things there. First of all there is the different organisation of law enforcement in the USA in particular and Canada as well. Secondly there is the nonsense of the comparison via GDP.
If we compare demand and similar policing requirements, then the other European forces come into the frame, such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain et al. There the comparison is more relevant. But the blogger avoids them with Nelsonic disdain.
There are many assumptions in the article which are in no way sustainable, and are rather obvious.
Historically, it was the left who were anti-police. The rhetoric reached a crescendo after the Miners' Strike and in many areas there is still anti-police feeling and rhetoric. Many academic institutions still go on about the politicising of the police (do they miss the irony) but the LSE is one of the extremes.
Cameron brought his anti-police rhetoric into government. If anyone thinks that the English/Welsh police can suffer a 20%+ cut over 5 years without performance suffering, well they should not be trusted with a credit card. And now we are going to have more, the justification being that the figures are down.
Do me a favour. Such logic is banal. We are sowing the wind, any criminologist will tell you that.
Elroy Blue said:
Even coming from a vindictive, spiteful, hypocritical woman like May. This speech is breathtakingly crap. She can't even get basic facts right. This 'speech' is nothing more than trolling. It's no secret she despises Police Officers. She's just become a parody of herself.
Despises police officers? Really? Despises them? I doubt that. Methinks you are projecting your own feelings onto herYes. I despise her, so the feelings mutual. I've lost count of the outright lies she's told during this speech alone. But she's well practiced at that. Her comments on DV, restorative justice, vulnerable people, crime figures and much more are just plain lies.
She's vying for the Tory leadership. That's all she cares about.
She's vying for the Tory leadership. That's all she cares about.
I wish she would stop comparing the police service of today to the service of 27 years ago.....
He comments on domestic violence and restorative justice are incorrect and she has also suggested rape and sexual offences is up. She needs a chat with Mike Penning who claims its down.
She is also critical of the police response to domestic violence, well she cut 19500 officers so what does she expect?
He comments on domestic violence and restorative justice are incorrect and she has also suggested rape and sexual offences is up. She needs a chat with Mike Penning who claims its down.
She is also critical of the police response to domestic violence, well she cut 19500 officers so what does she expect?
Edited by Greendubber on Tuesday 17th May 12:48
Greendubber said:
I wish she would stop comparing the police service of today to the service of 27 years ago.....
He comments on domestic violence and restorative justice are incorrect and she has also suggested rape and sexual offences is up. She needs a chat with Mike Penning who claims its down.
She cleverly picks her starting points, a classic method of getting the result you want. He comments on domestic violence and restorative justice are incorrect and she has also suggested rape and sexual offences is up. She needs a chat with Mike Penning who claims its down.
She is the HomSec. She is the boss. If indeed there is failure in the service, perhaps she should take the blame.
Given the recent cuts, not to mention the ones coming this year (despite promises that there would be none), that there can be argument about lower/same/higher is a tribute to the way police forces have prioritised.
Nasty woman. She is an example of prioritising ambition over doing a good job.
Elroy Blue said:
Yes. I despise her, so the feelings mutual. I've lost count of the outright lies she's told during this speech alone. But she's well practiced at that. Her comments on DV, restorative justice, vulnerable people, crime figures and much more are just plain lies.
She's vying for the Tory leadership. That's all she cares about.
All hope for the country would be lost if she becomes leader of the tory party, it would be the end She's vying for the Tory leadership. That's all she cares about.
A more truly repellent person is hard to imagine ....
Derek Smith said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
I don't know what your definition of a wasted splurge is, but the facts aren't lies. Of course it was a splurge, and it was largely wasted.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Ah! The LSE, that well-known A-political source of facts and figures. I subscribe to another blog of the LSE, British Politics and Policy at LSE, and I have found it advisable to check every 'fact' twice.http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Let's talk about the first graph the comparison of forces and costs. Two things there. First of all there is the different organisation of law enforcement in the USA in particular and Canada as well. Secondly there is the nonsense of the comparison via GDP.
If we compare demand and similar policing requirements, then the other European forces come into the frame, such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain et al. There the comparison is more relevant. But the blogger avoids them with Nelsonic disdain.
There are many assumptions in the article which are in no way sustainable, and are rather obvious.
Historically, it was the left who were anti-police. The rhetoric reached a crescendo after the Miners' Strike and in many areas there is still anti-police feeling and rhetoric. Many academic institutions still go on about the politicising of the police (do they miss the irony) but the LSE is one of the extremes.
Cameron brought his anti-police rhetoric into government. If anyone thinks that the English/Welsh police can suffer a 20%+ cut over 5 years without performance suffering, well they should not be trusted with a credit card. And now we are going to have more, the justification being that the figures are down.
Do me a favour. Such logic is banal. We are sowing the wind, any criminologist will tell you that.
Stick to the old stories and stay out of the politics, you don't have a clue.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Derek Smith said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
I don't know what your definition of a wasted splurge is, but the facts aren't lies. Of course it was a splurge, and it was largely wasted.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Ah! The LSE, that well-known A-political source of facts and figures. I subscribe to another blog of the LSE, British Politics and Policy at LSE, and I have found it advisable to check every 'fact' twice.http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Let's talk about the first graph the comparison of forces and costs. Two things there. First of all there is the different organisation of law enforcement in the USA in particular and Canada as well. Secondly there is the nonsense of the comparison via GDP.
If we compare demand and similar policing requirements, then the other European forces come into the frame, such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain et al. There the comparison is more relevant. But the blogger avoids them with Nelsonic disdain.
There are many assumptions in the article which are in no way sustainable, and are rather obvious.
Historically, it was the left who were anti-police. The rhetoric reached a crescendo after the Miners' Strike and in many areas there is still anti-police feeling and rhetoric. Many academic institutions still go on about the politicising of the police (do they miss the irony) but the LSE is one of the extremes.
Cameron brought his anti-police rhetoric into government. If anyone thinks that the English/Welsh police can suffer a 20%+ cut over 5 years without performance suffering, well they should not be trusted with a credit card. And now we are going to have more, the justification being that the figures are down.
Do me a favour. Such logic is banal. We are sowing the wind, any criminologist will tell you that.
Stick to the old stories and stay out of the politics, you don't have a clue.
May ,what an odious individual.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Daft responding to such an old quote, but seriously, trying to rubbish the LSE, I used to like your posts, but I'm sick & tired of your endless whinging.
Stick to the old stories and stay out of the politics, you don't have a clue.
I haven't 'rubbished' the LSE, merely pointed out that it has a certain political leaning. I feel it essential to check source. As I pointed out, I subscribe to an LSE blog.Stick to the old stories and stay out of the politics, you don't have a clue.
As for the ad hominem aspect, perhaps I complain because there is a lot to complain about with the treatment of the police service but the current government.
Stay out of politics? If only one could.
You will note that I restricted my comments to a reply of your points and did not attack you personally. Try it some time.
Post Manchester bombing the Police Federation haven't been holding back. Are they correct in what they're saying?
Theresa May’s dramatic deployment of troops in the wake of the Manchester bombing has laid bare Tory police cuts, the leader of the Police Federation has declared.
They've also highlighted an inspectors comments to May back in 2015.
Theresa May’s dramatic deployment of troops in the wake of the Manchester bombing has laid bare Tory police cuts, the leader of the Police Federation has declared.
They've also highlighted an inspectors comments to May back in 2015.
a Manchester police inspector said:
‘I worked in inner-city Manchester for 15 years,’ he said. ‘I felt passionate about what I was doing.
‘In 2012 I had to leave. I couldn’t take it any more because the changes that have been imposed have caused community policing to collapse.
‘That’s the reality ma’am. Intelligence has dried up. There aren’t local officers.
‘They don’t know what’s happening. They’re all reactive. There’s no proactive policing locally.
‘We run the risk here of letting communities down, putting officers at risk and ultimately risking national security.’
http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/25/theresa-may-accused-police-of-scaremongering-over-spending-cuts-6660878/‘In 2012 I had to leave. I couldn’t take it any more because the changes that have been imposed have caused community policing to collapse.
‘That’s the reality ma’am. Intelligence has dried up. There aren’t local officers.
‘They don’t know what’s happening. They’re all reactive. There’s no proactive policing locally.
‘We run the risk here of letting communities down, putting officers at risk and ultimately risking national security.’
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