Theresa May speaking at the Plod federation conference

Theresa May speaking at the Plod federation conference

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hornetrider

63,161 posts

204 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Symbolica said:
I'm starting to like her, actually.
Is it the boots?

Cobnapint

8,596 posts

150 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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She sounded a bit p*ssed off. She didn't have any shiny shiny locked away in Hatton Garden did she?

Vaud

50,289 posts

154 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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She has a point.

"The sky is falling" is getting a bit thin.

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Derek Smith said:
There was no labour ‘splurge’. They told lies. It is funny how people believe what they say on that but challenge everything else.
I don't know what your definition of a wasted splurge is, but the facts aren't lies. Of course it was a splurge, and it was largely wasted.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Wednesday 20th May 2015
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Mr GrimNasty said:
I don't know what your definition of a wasted splurge is, but the facts aren't lies. Of course it was a splurge, and it was largely wasted.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Ah! The LSE, that well-known A-political source of facts and figures. I subscribe to another blog of the LSE, British Politics and Policy at LSE, and I have found it advisable to check every 'fact' twice.

Let's talk about the first graph the comparison of forces and costs. Two things there. First of all there is the different organisation of law enforcement in the USA in particular and Canada as well. Secondly there is the nonsense of the comparison via GDP.

If we compare demand and similar policing requirements, then the other European forces come into the frame, such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain et al. There the comparison is more relevant. But the blogger avoids them with Nelsonic disdain.

There are many assumptions in the article which are in no way sustainable, and are rather obvious.

Historically, it was the left who were anti-police. The rhetoric reached a crescendo after the Miners' Strike and in many areas there is still anti-police feeling and rhetoric. Many academic institutions still go on about the politicising of the police (do they miss the irony) but the LSE is one of the extremes.

Cameron brought his anti-police rhetoric into government. If anyone thinks that the English/Welsh police can suffer a 20%+ cut over 5 years without performance suffering, well they should not be trusted with a credit card. And now we are going to have more, the justification being that the figures are down.

Do me a favour. Such logic is banal. We are sowing the wind, any criminologist will tell you that.


BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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6 years on she's speaking at the police federation conference right now. So has anything actually changed? Did she back up her 2010 words with action?


Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Even coming from a vindictive, spiteful, hypocritical woman like May. This speech is breathtakingly crap. She can't even get basic facts right. This 'speech' is nothing more than trolling. It's no secret she despises Police Officers. She's just become a parody of herself.

andymadmak

14,482 posts

269 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Elroy Blue said:
Even coming from a vindictive, spiteful, hypocritical woman like May. This speech is breathtakingly crap. She can't even get basic facts right. This 'speech' is nothing more than trolling. It's no secret she despises Police Officers. She's just become a parody of herself.
Despises police officers? Really? Despises them? I doubt that. Methinks you are projecting your own feelings onto her

Elroy Blue

8,686 posts

191 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Yes. I despise her, so the feelings mutual. I've lost count of the outright lies she's told during this speech alone. But she's well practiced at that. Her comments on DV, restorative justice, vulnerable people, crime figures and much more are just plain lies.

She's vying for the Tory leadership. That's all she cares about.

chris watton

22,477 posts

259 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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I think the only thing she cares about is how the media perceive and report on her fashion sense, vacuous woman.

Edited by chris watton on Tuesday 17th May 12:46

Greendubber

13,129 posts

202 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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I wish she would stop comparing the police service of today to the service of 27 years ago.....

He comments on domestic violence and restorative justice are incorrect and she has also suggested rape and sexual offences is up. She needs a chat with Mike Penning who claims its down.


She is also critical of the police response to domestic violence, well she cut 19500 officers so what does she expect?


Edited by Greendubber on Tuesday 17th May 12:48

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Greendubber said:
I wish she would stop comparing the police service of today to the service of 27 years ago.....

He comments on domestic violence and restorative justice are incorrect and she has also suggested rape and sexual offences is up. She needs a chat with Mike Penning who claims its down.
She cleverly picks her starting points, a classic method of getting the result you want.

She is the HomSec. She is the boss. If indeed there is failure in the service, perhaps she should take the blame.

Given the recent cuts, not to mention the ones coming this year (despite promises that there would be none), that there can be argument about lower/same/higher is a tribute to the way police forces have prioritised.

Nasty woman. She is an example of prioritising ambition over doing a good job.


Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

157 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Derek Smith said:
prioritising ambition over doing a good job.
Just like the Hillsborough cover-up.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

159 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Elroy Blue said:
Yes. I despise her, so the feelings mutual. I've lost count of the outright lies she's told during this speech alone. But she's well practiced at that. Her comments on DV, restorative justice, vulnerable people, crime figures and much more are just plain lies.

She's vying for the Tory leadership. That's all she cares about.
All hope for the country would be lost if she becomes leader of the tory party, it would be the end
A more truly repellent person is hard to imagine ....

Mr GrimNasty

8,172 posts

169 months

Tuesday 17th May 2016
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Derek Smith said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
I don't know what your definition of a wasted splurge is, but the facts aren't lies. Of course it was a splurge, and it was largely wasted.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Ah! The LSE, that well-known A-political source of facts and figures. I subscribe to another blog of the LSE, British Politics and Policy at LSE, and I have found it advisable to check every 'fact' twice.

Let's talk about the first graph the comparison of forces and costs. Two things there. First of all there is the different organisation of law enforcement in the USA in particular and Canada as well. Secondly there is the nonsense of the comparison via GDP.

If we compare demand and similar policing requirements, then the other European forces come into the frame, such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain et al. There the comparison is more relevant. But the blogger avoids them with Nelsonic disdain.

There are many assumptions in the article which are in no way sustainable, and are rather obvious.

Historically, it was the left who were anti-police. The rhetoric reached a crescendo after the Miners' Strike and in many areas there is still anti-police feeling and rhetoric. Many academic institutions still go on about the politicising of the police (do they miss the irony) but the LSE is one of the extremes.

Cameron brought his anti-police rhetoric into government. If anyone thinks that the English/Welsh police can suffer a 20%+ cut over 5 years without performance suffering, well they should not be trusted with a credit card. And now we are going to have more, the justification being that the figures are down.

Do me a favour. Such logic is banal. We are sowing the wind, any criminologist will tell you that.
Daft responding to such an old quote, but seriously, trying to rubbish the LSE, I used to like your posts, but I'm sick & tired of your endless whinging.

Stick to the old stories and stay out of the politics, you don't have a clue.

Sylvaforever

2,212 posts

97 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Derek Smith said:
Mr GrimNasty said:
I don't know what your definition of a wasted splurge is, but the facts aren't lies. Of course it was a splurge, and it was largely wasted.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/policing-...
Ah! The LSE, that well-known A-political source of facts and figures. I subscribe to another blog of the LSE, British Politics and Policy at LSE, and I have found it advisable to check every 'fact' twice.

Let's talk about the first graph the comparison of forces and costs. Two things there. First of all there is the different organisation of law enforcement in the USA in particular and Canada as well. Secondly there is the nonsense of the comparison via GDP.

If we compare demand and similar policing requirements, then the other European forces come into the frame, such as France, Germany, Italy, Spain et al. There the comparison is more relevant. But the blogger avoids them with Nelsonic disdain.

There are many assumptions in the article which are in no way sustainable, and are rather obvious.

Historically, it was the left who were anti-police. The rhetoric reached a crescendo after the Miners' Strike and in many areas there is still anti-police feeling and rhetoric. Many academic institutions still go on about the politicising of the police (do they miss the irony) but the LSE is one of the extremes.

Cameron brought his anti-police rhetoric into government. If anyone thinks that the English/Welsh police can suffer a 20%+ cut over 5 years without performance suffering, well they should not be trusted with a credit card. And now we are going to have more, the justification being that the figures are down.

Do me a favour. Such logic is banal. We are sowing the wind, any criminologist will tell you that.
Daft responding to such an old quote, but seriously, trying to rubbish the LSE, I used to like your posts, but I'm sick & tired of your endless whinging.

Stick to the old stories and stay out of the politics, you don't have a clue.
[O/T] LOL everything Derek said is true!

May ,what an odious individual.

zygalski

7,759 posts

144 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Cut funding & beaurocracy, make the Police force more accountable by setting up several new task forces & QANGOs & bring back more bobbies on the beat. A few hundred thousand should do.
Simple wink

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Wednesday 18th May 2016
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Mr GrimNasty said:
Daft responding to such an old quote, but seriously, trying to rubbish the LSE, I used to like your posts, but I'm sick & tired of your endless whinging.

Stick to the old stories and stay out of the politics, you don't have a clue.
I haven't 'rubbished' the LSE, merely pointed out that it has a certain political leaning. I feel it essential to check source. As I pointed out, I subscribe to an LSE blog.

As for the ad hominem aspect, perhaps I complain because there is a lot to complain about with the treatment of the police service but the current government.

Stay out of politics? If only one could.

You will note that I restricted my comments to a reply of your points and did not attack you personally. Try it some time.



BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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Post Manchester bombing the Police Federation haven't been holding back. Are they correct in what they're saying?

Theresa May’s dramatic deployment of troops in the wake of the Manchester bombing has laid bare Tory police cuts, the leader of the Police Federation has declared.

They've also highlighted an inspectors comments to May back in 2015.

a Manchester police inspector said:
‘I worked in inner-city Manchester for 15 years,’ he said. ‘I felt passionate about what I was doing.

‘In 2012 I had to leave. I couldn’t take it any more because the changes that have been imposed have caused community policing to collapse.

‘That’s the reality ma’am. Intelligence has dried up. There aren’t local officers.

‘They don’t know what’s happening. They’re all reactive. There’s no proactive policing locally.

‘We run the risk here of letting communities down, putting officers at risk and ultimately risking national security.’
http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/25/theresa-may-accused-police-of-scaremongering-over-spending-cuts-6660878/



coanda

2,642 posts

189 months

Monday 29th May 2017
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If people knew the truth about policing today they would not sleep so safely at night. Policing was on it's arse because of politicking before May got her talons in to it. Then she really went to town.