MMR Doctor struck off

Author
Discussion

off_again

Original Poster:

12,252 posts

233 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Thank god, its taken years to get this far, but at last:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article71...

Dr Andrew Wakefield has been struck off by the GMC. Comments from the chair are along the lines of “irresponsible”, “misleading” and “dishonest”. Kind of says it all.

So, I wonder if this will draw a line under the whole MMR thing? Or will this nasty little man continue to peddle his 'tablets' to solve autism? I wonder. I fear that the damage and only time will solve this one...

What says the PH collective?

DrTre

12,955 posts

231 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
my only surprise is the length of time it has taken to come to this.

N Dentressangle

3,442 posts

221 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Should have happened long ago.

GMC said:
Dr Wakefield, 53, also “showed a callous disregard” for the suffering of children by taking blood samples from them at his son’s birthday party
What a great doctor. Everyone's a potential study subject, eh? Huge amounts of medical research goes on in this country which complies with ethical and scientific standards - he felt he was above this. When the public expresses horror at 'doctors who play god', it's Wakefield they should have in mind.

Flippin' Kipper

637 posts

178 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Have you read the bad science book by Ben Goldacre? It has a very interesting chapter covering Wakefield and the MMR scare.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

244 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Listened to Dr Wakefield being interviewed on R4 this morning and he sounded a complete arse.

off_again

Original Poster:

12,252 posts

233 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Deva Link said:
Listened to Dr Wakefield being interviewed on R4 this morning and he sounded a complete arse.
Let me guess, was he wheeling out the 'its a conspiracy' line again? How the media and establishment are hounding out of a job because he blew the whistle?

Hateful little man.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
How odd, I must be the only person who thinks that there is no reason why you can't get three individual shots to be on the safe side... Can someone elaborate as to why this is such a problem?

And I may be paranoid, but I have no doubt that the establishment would take these kinds of steps to silence dissent, after all, last bloke who vocally disagreed with the Govt and was going to make them look silly went for a quiet walk in the woods.....

samwilliams

836 posts

255 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Jasandjules said:
How odd, I must be the only person who thinks that there is no reason why you can't get three individual shots to be on the safe side... Can someone elaborate as to why this is such a problem?
More trauma for the child and more expensive.

DrTre

12,955 posts

231 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Jasandjules said:
How odd, I must be the only person who thinks that there is no reason why you can't get three individual shots to be on the safe side... Can someone elaborate as to why this is such a problem?

And I may be paranoid, but I have no doubt that the establishment would take these kinds of steps to silence dissent, after all, last bloke who vocally disagreed with the Govt and was going to make them look silly went for a quiet walk in the woods.....
You can have all 3 but the mmr is cheaper, and I think is a longer series leaving children open to infection.
The man is a lying charlatan.

Cara van Man

29,977 posts

250 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
DrTre said:

The man is a lying charlatan.
He's not 'the only one i know'.

Hammer67

5,706 posts

183 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
As a father of an autistic child this guy caused me, for some years, to blame myself for allowing my son to have the MMR jab. I thought I`d ruined my sons and my familys life through this decision. 10 years on this news is no real consolation. I hope his legs fall off.

Ferg

15,242 posts

256 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Cara van Man said:
DrTre said:

The man is a lying charlatan.
He's not 'the only one i know'.
smile

DrTre

12,955 posts

231 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Hammer67 said:
As a father of an autistic child this guy caused me, for some years, to blame myself for allowing my son to have the MMR jab. I thought I`d ruined my sons and my familys life through this decision. 10 years on this news is tno real consolation. I hope his legs fall off.
My nephew is the same however from the off his parents never blamed mmr (not that I am criticising you remotely, the news was already out by the time of my nephewthat his 'evidence' was ste.

Cvm....: D

Edited by DrTre on Monday 24th May 19:18

Hammer67

5,706 posts

183 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
DrTre said:
Hammer67 said:
As a father of an autistic child this guy caused me, for some years, to blame myself for allowing my son to have the MMR jab. I thought I`d ruined my sons and my familys life through this decision. 10 years on this news is no real consolation. I hope his legs fall off.
My nephew is the same however from the off his parents never blamed mmr (not that I am criticising you remotely, the news was already out that his 'evidence' was ste.

Cvm....: D
True enough, but there was always the chance that he was right and the authorities were covering it up to avoid the possibility of mass litigation. Obviously I`m relieved the MMR didn`t cause my sons problems but I`m still left with a severely disabled child, a family ripped apart by it and no idea what caused it.

voyds9

8,488 posts

282 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Perhaps if he had worked for the police he could have taken as much DNA as he liked and kept it for as long as he wanted.

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
So basically the main answer is that MMR is cheaper than three separate jabs.

I think that tells us all we need to know then.

Ferg

15,242 posts

256 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Jasandjules said:
So basically the main answer is that MMR is cheaper than three separate jabs.

I think that tells us all we need to know then.
If you want to ignore the other reasons suggested at the same time, yes.

DrTre

12,955 posts

231 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Jasandjules said:
So basically the main answer is that MMR is cheaper than three separate jabs.

I think that tells us all we need to know then.
Yes, that its a very good solution to a problem however you appear to be ignoring the other, equally if not more valid reasons.It also prevents other dangers to children (its no coincidence that the incidence of, I think, all 3 diseases have risen since this issue). H67, I realise its easy for me to say, not being directly affected, but to my mind his supporters are seeking someone or something to blame

Edited by DrTre on Monday 24th May 19:44

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Jasandjules said:
So basically the main answer is that MMR is cheaper than three separate jabs.

I think that tells us all we need to know then.
Not really. Yes it is cheaper, but the main reason is uptake, it is very hard to get parents to get their child to the doctors once, let alone 3 times.

The 3 in one shot has no more risks than the 3 separate ones ( probably less, as less travelling), and gets the herd immunity up, which is badly needed since the good doctors intervention.

Measles is not a trivial disease, and is preventable.

maddog993

1,220 posts

239 months

Monday 24th May 2010
quotequote all
Jasandjules said:
So basically the main answer is that MMR is cheaper than three separate jabs.

I think that tells us all we need to know then.
The combined is a more sensible option anyway as individual jabs not only cause more discomfort to the child but expose them to more risk as there must be at least a four week gap between the individual jabs.
The individual jabs are unlicensed and so have not had the rigorous testing of the licenced combined. ie you could be putting any old st in your child.
Finally, the combined mmr has been administered to over 500 million people worldwide and is recognised as one of THE safest vaccines out there.
The fact that it is the cheaper option is merely a bonus.