Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.
Discussion
turbobloke said:
Partly responsible yes but if successive administrations got their ROCs off and were FiT to govern it would be much better all round. Politicians are mostly to blame.
Especially the ones who set the "rules" to allow OUR utility companies ownership to disappear overseas.
Mojocvh said:
turbobloke said:
Partly responsible yes but if successive administrations got their ROCs off and were FiT to govern it would be much better all round. Politicians are mostly to blame.
Especially the ones who set the "rules" to allow OUR utility companies ownership to disappear overseas.Still, they must have realised that the education system was never going to support the creation of a suitable caucus of management with which to run the country's primary businesses so selling them off was probably a good move in the medium term.
turbobloke said:
From LTT: 'The Coalition Government this week bowed to pressure from business and abandoned the moratorium on new runway capacity in the South East.'
Some good news can still be found
Unless, of course, their plan is to tax people out of the air. In which case the decision has no real meaning since extra capacity will not be a requirement.Some good news can still be found
Who knows though? With the economy the way it is likely to be for a decade or so and the ability of politicians and bureaucrats to change their minds such matters often seem to have an air of unreality these days. More likely a distraction from something else. Or, in fact, simply clearing the store cupboard of policies that conflict with more significant policies (especially vanity projects).
I would guess that being negative about runway capacity was at odds with the desire to free up planning rules for green field developments. Easy to sacrifice on that basis. Especially if there may be taxes to be raised.
Mind you I would really love to know where the consumer is expected to obtain the money to pay all the taxes and other costs that people seem to believe are required to deliver a better 'society' and still balance the books.
LongQ said:
Mind you I would really love to know where the consumer is expected to obtain the money to pay all the taxes and other costs that people seem to believe are required to deliver a better 'society' and still balance the books.
Cut your living standards to afford more taxation. And when that doesn't balance government finances, cut them some more 
LongQ said:
turbobloke said:
From LTT: 'The Coalition Government this week bowed to pressure from business and abandoned the moratorium on new runway capacity in the South East.'
Some good news can still be found
Unless, of course, their plan is to tax people out of the air. In which case the decision has no real meaning since extra capacity will not be a requirement.Some good news can still be found
A deferred rise in APD is still due on top of the next one. However there remains a lot of pressure on The Boy George over this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/air-p...
bigdog3 said:
LongQ said:
Mind you I would really love to know where the consumer is expected to obtain the money to pay all the taxes and other costs that people seem to believe are required to deliver a better 'society' and still balance the books.
Cut your living standards to afford more taxation. And when that doesn't balance government finances, cut them some more chris watton said:
Remember a time when those on the left were generally a force for good?
No, 'cos I was born in 1960 so don't remember the original labour movements from the turn of the century (20th not 21st, with new liar-bore, naturally).The mob in the 60's, 70's and 80's that I remember were red in tooth and claw.
bigdog3 said:
LongQ said:
Mind you I would really love to know where the consumer is expected to obtain the money to pay all the taxes and other costs that people seem to believe are required to deliver a better 'society' and still balance the books.
Cut your living standards to afford more taxation. And when that doesn't balance government finances, cut them some more The only real cash cow is 'savings' and 'investment'. Once that is gone things get interesting. When Europe impodes if the banking system goes with it then so does the notional value of asavings and investment. One big Ponzi scheme whether run by private or public organisations.
Things could get very interesting.
LongQ said:
bigdog3 said:
LongQ said:
Mind you I would really love to know where the consumer is expected to obtain the money to pay all the taxes and other costs that people seem to believe are required to deliver a better 'society' and still balance the books.
Cut your living standards to afford more taxation. And when that doesn't balance government finances, cut them some more The only real cash cow is 'savings' and 'investment'. Once that is gone things get interesting. When Europe impodes if the banking system goes with it then so does the notional value of asavings and investment. One big Ponzi scheme whether run by private or public organisations.
Things could get very interesting.
bigdog3 said:
Downward spiral as western economies struggle against rapid growth elsewhere. World order is changing - maintaining our living standards will be difficult if not impossible. I've never seen an economic crisis on this scale before, which could lead to rise of extremists and radical political change. Feels dangerously like a replay of Europe in 1930.
Yet much of it could be solved by ignoring the AGW bull****t and putting that money which is simply lining the pockets of the rich, to good use.It's strange how the whinging lefties don't seem to realise this.
Jasandjules said:
Yet much of it could be solved by ignoring the AGW bull****t and putting that money which is simply lining the pockets of the rich, to good use.
It's strange how the whinging lefties don't seem to realise this.
NuLabor showed what happens when dogma replaces common sense, activity is driven by gesture and soundbite, and policy is based on envy and spite. Most lefties have no interest or desire to consider how a country's economy generates wealth. Instead their focus is redistributing wealth from the "filthy rich" including average working families.It's strange how the whinging lefties don't seem to realise this.
Nothing is strange in the world of the loony left, except reality and decent future prospects.
bigdog3 said:
Jasandjules said:
Yet much of it could be solved by ignoring the AGW bull****t and putting that money which is simply lining the pockets of the rich, to good use.
It's strange how the whinging lefties don't seem to realise this.
NuLabor showed what happens when dogma replaces common sense, activity is driven by gesture and soundbite, and policy is based on envy and spite. Most lefties have no interest or desire to consider how a country's economy generates wealth. Instead their focus is redistributing wealth from the "filthy rich" including average working families.It's strange how the whinging lefties don't seem to realise this.
Nothing is strange in the world of the loony left, except reality and decent future prospects.
odyssey2200 said:
bigdog3 said:
Jasandjules said:
Yet much of it could be solved by ignoring the AGW bull****t and putting that money which is simply lining the pockets of the rich, to good use.
It's strange how the whinging lefties don't seem to realise this.
NuLabor showed what happens when dogma replaces common sense, activity is driven by gesture and soundbite, and policy is based on envy and spite. Most lefties have no interest or desire to consider how a country's economy generates wealth. Instead their focus is redistributing wealth from the "filthy rich" including average working families.It's strange how the whinging lefties don't seem to realise this.
Nothing is strange in the world of the loony left, except reality and decent future prospects.
Since 1979 and satellite records, Artic ice extent trend is decreasing year on year although appears to have possibly hit a minimum, BUT Antarctic ice extent trend is INCREASING.
Yet another inconvenient conundrum for the warmists.
And as so often with climate data, the decline appears immediately from the point where you tack 2 different types of data together, pre satellite records (observed), and satellite readings, which again arouses deep suspicion about the validity/significance of the trend.
Yet another inconvenient conundrum for the warmists.
And as so often with climate data, the decline appears immediately from the point where you tack 2 different types of data together, pre satellite records (observed), and satellite readings, which again arouses deep suspicion about the validity/significance of the trend.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Since 1979 and satellite records, Artic ice extent trend is decreasing year on year although appears to have possibly hit a minimum, BUT Antarctic ice extent trend is INCREASING.
Yet another inconvenient conundrum for the warmists.
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Thats because all the heat rises to the top of the globe.Yet another inconvenient conundrum for the warmists.
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