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Eastern Europe May Block EU Green Lobby For Good
Poland is lobbying its neighbors on the European Union's less-affluent eastern edge as it seeks to block efforts by the regional group to sharply reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, arguing that the planned cuts will hurt economic growth and fuel inflation. The European Commission has drafted a proposal to slash carbon-dioxide output by 2050 to levels so low that Polish officials say they would virtually rule out the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity. Warsaw vetoed the plan at a meeting of EU environment ministers on Friday, and Polish officials say they are now starting to gain the support of its neighbors including the Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania in a bid to block the initiative permanently.
Marcin Sobczyk, The Wall Street Journal, 13 March 2012
Poland is lobbying its neighbors on the European Union's less-affluent eastern edge as it seeks to block efforts by the regional group to sharply reduce greenhouse-gas emissions, arguing that the planned cuts will hurt economic growth and fuel inflation. The European Commission has drafted a proposal to slash carbon-dioxide output by 2050 to levels so low that Polish officials say they would virtually rule out the use of fossil fuels to generate electricity. Warsaw vetoed the plan at a meeting of EU environment ministers on Friday, and Polish officials say they are now starting to gain the support of its neighbors including the Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania in a bid to block the initiative permanently.
Marcin Sobczyk, The Wall Street Journal, 13 March 2012
mybrainhurts said:
IainT said:
I heard that Richard Black used to be a journalist. Apparently now he just writes opinion pieces and dresses them as news.
Richard Black, amusing piece HEREIt's the obvious reporting bias and unwillingness to criticise the warmists that really boils my piss about people like Black. How could he not condemn Glieck?
turbobloke said:
Ah well, if it's in order to indulge in such vandalism, we have a green light to slap graffiti all over Cameron's house. Not forgetting Huhne's house, of course, and his successor's house. There would have been a time when 'environmentalists' would have been the people aggressively protesting about the despoiling of our countryside by these monstrosities but now they're the people who want them so the rest of us, who aren't really the protesting type, just get ignored. No wonder people are sick of politicians when common sense seems to be being completely forgotten.
stevejh said:
There would have been a time when 'environmentalists' would have been the people aggressively protesting about the despoiling of our countryside by these monstrosities but now they're the people who want them
It is incredibly strange isn't it?! It's almost as they don't actually care about the environment at all, they simply take on a political stance behind the curtain of being eco conscious....
kiteless said:
Quite.
It amazes (actually, no it doesn't) me that the "Green" movement bleat about "securing the future of our children" via the use of - amongst other things - wind farms.
When what will really happen is future generations will wonder where uninterrupted views of countryside went.
Cognitive dissonance.It amazes (actually, no it doesn't) me that the "Green" movement bleat about "securing the future of our children" via the use of - amongst other things - wind farms.
When what will really happen is future generations will wonder where uninterrupted views of countryside went.
What puzzles me it that on the one hand they bleat about thinking of future children yet another branch of the same insanity is happy to suggest the planet's population should be hugely reduced from even its present numbers almost overnight - or in other words stop breeding, NOW!
Either they are very disconnected thinkers or they (the 'leaders' at least) are charlatan liars and self publicising opportunists. More likely the collective leaderships have their full complement of individuals with both characteristics and many in between.
The bottom line, in my view, is that taking the human preference for 'development' and 'progress' (good and bad, it's part of the psyche that defines humanity) and creating 'stuff' and quenching that need globally (no other way would work) would entirely destroy the species by one means or another. What would be the point of human invention in a world in which such thing were frowned upon? You might as well suggest that large cats be retrained to take up arable farming.
Canadian Senator promotes climate realism in major speech
This appears to be a follow-on from the earlier input by actual scientists which was featured on PH (vid clips)...and what a neat name for the politician involved: Senator Greene-Raine
This appears to be a follow-on from the earlier input by actual scientists which was featured on PH (vid clips)...and what a neat name for the politician involved: Senator Greene-Raine
It seems to me that the political (by politicians in actual countries, not our over-governments the EU and UN) are swinging away from the AWG mantra to climate realism. What we can expect from conflicts past is to see it get bloodier and the truth be ignored even more before the end.
I actually have some hopes now that we will see policy delivered that is about energy provision and economic growth rather than the starvation of the two. This is a view I didn't have 12 months ago.
When one looks at the funding gap between warmists and realists it becomes clear that it's much cheaper to sell the truth than a lie.
I actually have some hopes now that we will see policy delivered that is about energy provision and economic growth rather than the starvation of the two. This is a view I didn't have 12 months ago.
When one looks at the funding gap between warmists and realists it becomes clear that it's much cheaper to sell the truth than a lie.
dickymint said:
^^^ problem being though, the damage is done and we will never see our taxes going down!
Rebates not due any time soon then? 
And you can just see it "we were wrong about tax gas in the air but we're right about tax gas in the oceans". Fortunately crying wolf only works once. Once bitten twice shy. You can't put the poop back in the donkey. Etc.
All the junk in the trunk won't do it now.
It would be interesting to list all the taxes and additional costs that we have all been subjected to in the name of AGW. I don't think it would take long to realise the major difficulty any government would have in backtracking on CO2 in particular. If you acknowledge that CO2 has little or nothing to do with Global Warming, Climate Change or whatever it's called today, then what do you do about all those taxes that were specifically in place because of the supposed harm that CO2 was doing? Would we all get a refund of the additional RFL those of us with 'dirtier' cars have paid for example?
I think this scam has got a long way to run yet.
I think this scam has got a long way to run yet.
Was this covered back in January..? Good piece on following the money...
http://blackswhitewash.com/2012/01/05/richard-blac...
http://blackswhitewash.com/2012/01/05/richard-blac...
mybrainhurts said:
Was this covered back in January..? Good piece on following the money...
http://blackswhitewash.com/2012/01/05/richard-blac...
What is a FOIA?http://blackswhitewash.com/2012/01/05/richard-blac...
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