Climate change - the POLITICAL debate.
Discussion
Pointman said:
For once, a real eco disaster. The feedback I'm getting at my site, is that people aren't aware of how dangerous a broken CFL is. I have to admit, I didn't know that either before writing the article. As for mercury contamination at landfill sites, the environmental people at local government seem blissfully ignorant of the whole problem.
Pointman
…Like we were all blissfully ignorant about the dangers of asbestos a few decades ago…Pointman
I assume to the greens, nasty carbon is much worse (than previously thought, of course...) than mercury…….
Edited by chris watton on Monday 23 April 18:42
Full size fluorescents are exactly the same - people were happy to have them in their house and I've known the danger since I was about 3! Hardly a dirty secret.
"The Mercury from 1 single Fluorescent Tube is enough to pollute 30,000 Litres of Water beyond the safe drinking level in the UK."
Far less danger in the compacts. Just a rather silly scare story I'm afraid.
The issue I have is the light quality/level, the toxic gases from the electronics/hot plastics, the unsubsidised price/SHORT life - 6 years is a lie, most die within 2 years by my records, some in less than 6 months, and the electronics often go up in smoke before the tube fails which is a fire risk.
"The Mercury from 1 single Fluorescent Tube is enough to pollute 30,000 Litres of Water beyond the safe drinking level in the UK."
Far less danger in the compacts. Just a rather silly scare story I'm afraid.
The issue I have is the light quality/level, the toxic gases from the electronics/hot plastics, the unsubsidised price/SHORT life - 6 years is a lie, most die within 2 years by my records, some in less than 6 months, and the electronics often go up in smoke before the tube fails which is a fire risk.
Mr GrimNasty said:
Full size fluorescents are exactly the same - people were happy to have them in their house and I've known the danger since I was about 3! Hardly a dirty secret.
But they don't usually fail as often as the cheap (and expensive) CFLs do and not so widely used around most houses. Offices are a different game of course but mostly any maintenance and tube changes are made by people employed for the task.The reasons you go on to list are why there should perhaps be greater concern - if there should be any concern at all.
Well that's alright Grimnasty, innit? Replacing every harmless domestic lightbulb in the whole of the EU with something that can be lethal. Go ahead and fit them in your house. A Darwin Prize winner.
For a real world example of how nasty mercury poisioning can be, have a read -
http://knowlessolar.wordpress.com/tag/mercury-pois...
Pointman
For a real world example of how nasty mercury poisioning can be, have a read -
http://knowlessolar.wordpress.com/tag/mercury-pois...
Pointman
And More signs the cracks in the alarmist armoury are widening:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/23/breaking-jam...
I hope more skittles fall down soon!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/23/breaking-jam...
I hope more skittles fall down soon!
steveatesh said:
And More signs the cracks in the alarmist armoury are widening:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/23/breaking-jam...
I hope more skittles fall down soon!
Watch the true believers now trash him in the “doddering old man” style we’ve seen beforehttp://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/23/breaking-jam...
I hope more skittles fall down soon!
Yes, that's the first thing that came into my mind...
steveatesh said:
And More signs the cracks in the alarmist armoury are widening:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/23/breaking-jam...
I hope more skittles fall down soon!
From this article...http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/04/23/breaking-jam...
I hope more skittles fall down soon!
Doom-monger said:
We are in a fool's climate, accidentally kept cool by smoke, and before this century is over billions of us will die and the few breeding pairs of people that survive will be in the Arctic where the climate remains tolerable.
Now though...Doom-monger after seeing the Climate is doing no such thing said:
Ah...sorry about that...No hard feelings eh?
Funny isn't it, that people like Lovelock who've been around a while, sages, are expected to be treated with respect. They command authority and belief in their ideas...
... yet they can be so flawed, so bloody stupid - blinded by their beliefs - they they can come out, in public, with no sense of shame, with remarks like this.
]"Our planet has kept itself healthy and fit for life, just like an animal does, for most of the more than three billion years of its existence."
What a lot of b
ks. What an idiot.
... yet they can be so flawed, so bloody stupid - blinded by their beliefs - they they can come out, in public, with no sense of shame, with remarks like this.
]"Our planet has kept itself healthy and fit for life, just like an animal does, for most of the more than three billion years of its existence."
What a lot of b
ks. What an idiot. Article said:
"The Mercury from 1 single Fluorescent Tube is enough to pollute 30,000 Litres of Water beyond the safe drinking level in the UK."
Only if you put a broken fluorescent tube in 30,000 litres of water. Rainwater should not get into, or contaminated water out of, a landfill, to re-enter the groundwater - Certainly not in such huge quantities.Council Directive 1999/31/EC on the landfill of waste said:
Water control and leachate management
Appropriate measures shall be taken, with respect to the characteristics of the landfill and the meteorological conditions, in order to:
- control water from precipitations entering into the landfill body,
- prevent surface water and/or groundwater from entering into the landfilled waste,
- collect contaminated water and leachate. If an assessment based on consideration of the location of the landfill and the waste to be accepted shows that the landfill poses no potential hazard to the environment, the competent authority may decide that this provision does not apply,
- treat contaminated water and leachate collected from the landfill to the appropriate standard required for their discharge.
Appropriate measures shall be taken, with respect to the characteristics of the landfill and the meteorological conditions, in order to:
- control water from precipitations entering into the landfill body,
- prevent surface water and/or groundwater from entering into the landfilled waste,
- collect contaminated water and leachate. If an assessment based on consideration of the location of the landfill and the waste to be accepted shows that the landfill poses no potential hazard to the environment, the competent authority may decide that this provision does not apply,
- treat contaminated water and leachate collected from the landfill to the appropriate standard required for their discharge.
It is amazing how these guys can just say, "uh oh, I was wrong after all, never mind eh" Monbiot did exactly the same after Fukashima. The amount of time and money these hysterical fools have cost us is incalculable, how on earth can, presumably intelligent, people be so outspoken about something they clearly know so little about?
Pointman said:
I'll tell you something about Lovelock, the great proponent of population control, he has 4 children and at the last look, 8 grandchildren. You have to look long and hard thru his fanboy sites to uncover that little gem.
Pointman
Do as I say not as I do is a characteristic of the warmists who take their lead from their boss AG, whose house uses more power than a small countryPointman
Pointman said:
For once, a real eco disaster. The feedback I'm getting at my site, is that people aren't aware of how dangerous a broken CFL is. I have to admit, I didn't know that either before writing the article. As for mercury contamination at landfill sites, the environmental people at local government seem blissfully ignorant of the whole problem.
Pointman
My late father in law told us how Ernest Rutherford was virtually paranoid about the handling of mercury in the laboratory.Pointman
That was a long time ago now but does show that those who uderstand appreciate the potential dangers.
Pointman said:
"Appropriate measures shall be taken" - Go on then, tell me what those measures are.
Pointman
The problem is that instead of a few florescent tubes we are now witnessing an explosion of numbers of CFL bulbs, bought by ignorant people who frankly have little alternative than to bin them when they go wrong.Pointman
The increase of mercury 'disposal'/pollution in the last few years must have exploded by an order of magnitude. The greens have polluted the earth, for the sake of a worthless panic over a harmless trace gas.
Pointman said:
I'll tell you something about Lovelock, the great proponent of population control, he has 4 children and at the last look, 8 grandchildren. You have to look long and hard thru his fanboy sites to uncover that little gem.
Pointman
One of his relatives is quite a well known Climate (sceptic) blogger - (not me)Pointman
The reaction to LOvelock should be interesting from Gore, Guardian, scientists (some will be relived I think) environmentalists and the Guardian..
THIS should cheer a few people up…
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/23/11...
If only to watch the reaction from climate scientists (many more moderate ones I think will be relieved) and the environmentalists some who will just tear into him.
fun quotes from James Lovelock:
‘Gaia’ scientist James Lovelock: I was ‘alarmist’ about climate change
“The problem is we don’t know what the climate is doing. We thought we knew 20 years ago. That led to some alarmist books – mine included – because it looked clear-cut, but it hasn’t happened,” Lovelock said.
“The climate is doing its usual tricks. There’s nothing much really happening yet. We were supposed to be halfway toward a frying world now,” he said.
“The world has not warmed up very much since the millennium. Twelve years is a reasonable time… it (the temperature) has stayed almost constant, whereas it should have been rising — carbon dioxide is rising, no question about that,” he added.
He pointed to Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” and Tim Flannery’s “The Weather Makers” as other examples of “alarmist” forecasts of the future.
Asked if he was now a climate skeptic, Lovelock told msnbc.com: “It depends what you mean by a skeptic. I’m not a denier.”
He said human-caused carbon dioxide emissions were driving an increase in the global temperature, but added that the effect of the oceans was not well enough understood and could have a key role.
“It (the sea) could make all the difference between a hot age and an ice age,” he said.
He said he still thought that climate change was happening, but that its effects would be felt farther in the future than he previously thought.
“We will have global warming, but it’s been deferred a bit,” Lovelock said.
‘I made a mistake’
As “an independent and a loner,” he said he did not mind saying “All right, I made a mistake.” He claimed a university or government scientist might fear an admission of a mistake would lead to the loss of funding.
Edited by BJWoods on Monday 23 April 21:58
Globs said:
Pointman said:
"Appropriate measures shall be taken" - Go on then, tell me what those measures are.
Pointman
The problem is that instead of a few florescent tubes we are now witnessing an explosion of numbers of CFL bulbs, bought by ignorant people who frankly have little alternative than to bin them when they go wrong.Pointman
The increase of mercury 'disposal'/pollution in the last few years must have exploded by an order of magnitude. The greens have polluted the earth, for the sake of a worthless panic over a harmless trace gas.
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