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Happy New Year from Delingpole.
My resolution this year is to be much more diplomatic and emollient and generally more sympathetic to the other point of view.
Naah. Just kidding.
But what I did think would be a good idea at the start of yet another year's blogging is to remind ourselves where we're at and why it is that I do the things I do, write the things I write, and say them in the uncompromising, no-prisoners-taken way I say them.
You might think it was because of people like this man – Richard Parncutt, Professor of Systematic Musicology at the University of Graz in Austria, who argued on the university website (till he was embarrassed into taking his comments down) that all climate sceptics should be executed. Since I'm one of those on "ze list", I suppose I should be quite exercised by this. But to be honest I'm delighted and feel I owe Herr Throatcutt a huge debt of thanks. He has done probably more to discredit the cause of climate change alarmism than perhaps anyone since Richard Curtis's infamous "No Pressure" film – aka Splattergate.
No, the bigger problems are not the out-and-out eco-fascists but their useful idiots among the broader populace. Mild-mannered and reasonable-seeming people like this kindly gentleman, one Dr James Willis, who emailed me over Christmas thus...
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My resolution this year is to be much more diplomatic and emollient and generally more sympathetic to the other point of view.
Naah. Just kidding.
But what I did think would be a good idea at the start of yet another year's blogging is to remind ourselves where we're at and why it is that I do the things I do, write the things I write, and say them in the uncompromising, no-prisoners-taken way I say them.
You might think it was because of people like this man – Richard Parncutt, Professor of Systematic Musicology at the University of Graz in Austria, who argued on the university website (till he was embarrassed into taking his comments down) that all climate sceptics should be executed. Since I'm one of those on "ze list", I suppose I should be quite exercised by this. But to be honest I'm delighted and feel I owe Herr Throatcutt a huge debt of thanks. He has done probably more to discredit the cause of climate change alarmism than perhaps anyone since Richard Curtis's infamous "No Pressure" film – aka Splattergate.
No, the bigger problems are not the out-and-out eco-fascists but their useful idiots among the broader populace. Mild-mannered and reasonable-seeming people like this kindly gentleman, one Dr James Willis, who emailed me over Christmas thus...
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Met Office Accused Of Misleading Public Over Rainfall Trends
Questions Over Met Office Rain & Drought Predictions
The forecast for average UK rainfall slightly favours drier-than-average conditions for April-May-June as a whole, and also slightly favours April being the driest of the 3 months. With this forecast, the water resources situation in southern, eastern and central England is likely to deteriorate further during the April-May-June period… This forecast is based on information from observations, several numerical models and expert judgement.
Met Office 3 month Outlook, 23 March 2012
Seventeen counties in South West England and the Midlands have moved into official drought status, after two dry winters have left rivers and ground waters depleted. The news comes as the Environment Agency warned that the drought could last beyond Christmas. While rain over the spring and summer will help to water crops and gardens, it is unlikely to improve the underlying drought situation.
Environmental Agency, 16 April 2012
There's evidence to say we are getting slightly more rain in total, but more importantly it may be falling in more intense bursts
Julia Slingo, Met Office, 03 January 2013
The frequency of extreme rainfall in the UK may be increasing, according to analysis by the Met Office. Statistics show that days of particularly heavy rainfall have become more common since 1960. The analysis is still preliminary, but the apparent trend mirrors increases in extreme rain seen in other parts of the world.
Roger Harrabin, BBC News, 03 January 2013
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In the wake of the "more rain and more intense rain" story, Doug Keenan sends this graph of England & Wales rainfall records for 1766-2012. Let's just say the trend towards more rainfall is not obvious. As indeed is any trend towards less rainfall, which is said to be more likely by the UK Climate Impacts Programme.
Andrew Montford, Bishop Hill, 05 January 2013
Suddenly, after a wet year, which naturally the Met Office failed to forecast, they have reversed their customary fiery slogans to “Après nous le deluge”. Their antediluvian joy has given way to postdiluvian melancholy. They appear to have difficulty with the concept of random sequences of events, such as the precise positioning of the jet stream, and the fact that they produce apparent patterns and records. It was primitive man’s inability to envisage an effect without human cause that gave rise to much of religion. Of course it would have been most impressive if they had predicted all this a year ago, but they did not. Their predictions are as changeable as the weather and the only constant is the putative cause.
Prof John Brignell, Number Watch, 03 January 2013
The Met Office continues to suffer from its recently acquired pretensions about climate. Careless remarks about BBQ summers and snowless winters and droughts in the UK have all been followed by Mother Nature failing to comply with their wishful thinking - the wishful bit being their hope that their faith in the power of CO2 in the system, or at least in computer models giving it a powerful effect, can be relied upon.
John Shade, Bishop Hill, 05 January 2013
During April 2012 the UK Environment Agency warned of an impending drought to hit 32 million people in the UK and said it would last until 2013. Today in a report from Roger Harrabin at the BBC the Met Office have now made a startling analysis: "The frequency of extreme rainfall in the UK may be increasing, according to analysis by the Met Office. Statistics show that days of particularly heavy rainfall have become more common since 1960." You have to then ask what data was used in April last year with the Environment Agency/Met Office, did they not also have the same trend or data set from 1960?
Climate Realists, 03 January 2013
Questions Over Met Office Rain & Drought Predictions
The forecast for average UK rainfall slightly favours drier-than-average conditions for April-May-June as a whole, and also slightly favours April being the driest of the 3 months. With this forecast, the water resources situation in southern, eastern and central England is likely to deteriorate further during the April-May-June period… This forecast is based on information from observations, several numerical models and expert judgement.
Met Office 3 month Outlook, 23 March 2012
Seventeen counties in South West England and the Midlands have moved into official drought status, after two dry winters have left rivers and ground waters depleted. The news comes as the Environment Agency warned that the drought could last beyond Christmas. While rain over the spring and summer will help to water crops and gardens, it is unlikely to improve the underlying drought situation.
Environmental Agency, 16 April 2012
There's evidence to say we are getting slightly more rain in total, but more importantly it may be falling in more intense bursts
Julia Slingo, Met Office, 03 January 2013
The frequency of extreme rainfall in the UK may be increasing, according to analysis by the Met Office. Statistics show that days of particularly heavy rainfall have become more common since 1960. The analysis is still preliminary, but the apparent trend mirrors increases in extreme rain seen in other parts of the world.
Roger Harrabin, BBC News, 03 January 2013
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In the wake of the "more rain and more intense rain" story, Doug Keenan sends this graph of England & Wales rainfall records for 1766-2012. Let's just say the trend towards more rainfall is not obvious. As indeed is any trend towards less rainfall, which is said to be more likely by the UK Climate Impacts Programme.
Andrew Montford, Bishop Hill, 05 January 2013
Suddenly, after a wet year, which naturally the Met Office failed to forecast, they have reversed their customary fiery slogans to “Après nous le deluge”. Their antediluvian joy has given way to postdiluvian melancholy. They appear to have difficulty with the concept of random sequences of events, such as the precise positioning of the jet stream, and the fact that they produce apparent patterns and records. It was primitive man’s inability to envisage an effect without human cause that gave rise to much of religion. Of course it would have been most impressive if they had predicted all this a year ago, but they did not. Their predictions are as changeable as the weather and the only constant is the putative cause.
Prof John Brignell, Number Watch, 03 January 2013
The Met Office continues to suffer from its recently acquired pretensions about climate. Careless remarks about BBQ summers and snowless winters and droughts in the UK have all been followed by Mother Nature failing to comply with their wishful thinking - the wishful bit being their hope that their faith in the power of CO2 in the system, or at least in computer models giving it a powerful effect, can be relied upon.
John Shade, Bishop Hill, 05 January 2013
During April 2012 the UK Environment Agency warned of an impending drought to hit 32 million people in the UK and said it would last until 2013. Today in a report from Roger Harrabin at the BBC the Met Office have now made a startling analysis: "The frequency of extreme rainfall in the UK may be increasing, according to analysis by the Met Office. Statistics show that days of particularly heavy rainfall have become more common since 1960." You have to then ask what data was used in April last year with the Environment Agency/Met Office, did they not also have the same trend or data set from 1960?
Climate Realists, 03 January 2013
rovermorris999 said:
Remind me again how much the Met Office costs? It'd be cheaper and probably more accurate to issue every household with a piece of seaweed and a pine cone.
There's a photo somewhere of me in RAF uniform, in a tent, in some unremarkable remote place, with a piece of seaweed and a pine cone hanging inside the tent with a 'Met Forecast' sign nearby. Allegedly.
rovermorris999 said:
Remind me again how much the Met Office costs? It'd be cheaper and probably more accurate to issue every household with a piece of seaweed and a pine cone.
Well, whatever it costs it more than makes up for in the bu***t tax based upon the "evidence" and the other s***e.... You have to speculate to accumulate after all so the Govt will keep it running..This just in from Joe B'stardi could be interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/afxma5l
Looks like a little bit of cold might be heading our way. The runaway, worse than previously thought, devils tax gas CO2 is obviously going to keep warmer than it would have been though.
http://tinyurl.com/afxma5l
Looks like a little bit of cold might be heading our way. The runaway, worse than previously thought, devils tax gas CO2 is obviously going to keep warmer than it would have been though.
Diderot said:
This just in from Joe B'stardi could be interesting:
http://tinyurl.com/afxma5l
Looks like a little bit of cold might be heading our way. The runaway, worse than previously thought, devils tax gas CO2 is obviously going to keep warmer than it would have been though.
http://tinyurl.com/afxma5l
Looks like a little bit of cold might be heading our way. The runaway, worse than previously thought, devils tax gas CO2 is obviously going to keep warmer than it would have been though.
They tell us that and then tell us warming is still a bad thing
For the odd £100m it costs each year to run the Met they could send each household £5 worth of fir cones to do a better job.
http://tomnelson.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/new-pravda...
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-01-...
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-01-...
PRAVDA article 4/1/13 said:
Global warming, the tool of the West
For years, the Elites of the West have cranked up the myth of Man Made Global Warming as a means first and foremost to control the lives and behaviors of their populations. Knowing full well that their produce in China and sell in the West model and its consiquent spiral downward in wages and thus standards of living, was unsustainable, the elites moved to use this new "science" to guilt trip and scare monger their populations into smaller and more conservatives forms of living. In other words, they coasted them into the poverty that the greed and treason of those said same elites was already creating in their native lands.
What better way to staunch protests at worsening economic and life conditions than to make it feel like an honourable job/duty of the people to save "Gia". At the same time, they used this "science" as a new pagan religion to further push out the Christianity they hate and despise and most of all, fear? Gia worship, the earth "mother", has been pushed in popular culture oozing out of the West for a better part of the past 1.5 decades. This is a religion replete with an army of priests, called Government Grant Scientists.
For years, the Elites of the West have cranked up the myth of Man Made Global Warming as a means first and foremost to control the lives and behaviors of their populations. Knowing full well that their produce in China and sell in the West model and its consiquent spiral downward in wages and thus standards of living, was unsustainable, the elites moved to use this new "science" to guilt trip and scare monger their populations into smaller and more conservatives forms of living. In other words, they coasted them into the poverty that the greed and treason of those said same elites was already creating in their native lands.
What better way to staunch protests at worsening economic and life conditions than to make it feel like an honourable job/duty of the people to save "Gia". At the same time, they used this "science" as a new pagan religion to further push out the Christianity they hate and despise and most of all, fear? Gia worship, the earth "mother", has been pushed in popular culture oozing out of the West for a better part of the past 1.5 decades. This is a religion replete with an army of priests, called Government Grant Scientists.
Article said:
Various groups have fought back. This is including Russian hackers, who published a huge database of UK government, scientific and university emails depicting the fixing of data to sell Global Warming, er Climate Change (as if it never changed on its own). And while taking hit after hit, the beast, like Al Quida, will not die. As a matter of fact, the beast is on a steady come back, as it is quite useful during the down times recession. The US alone spends $7 billion each year on warming "studies", which is, in truth, nothing but a huge money laundering operation, as no real science is conducted and vapid alarmist reports the only product generated.
Amongst the newest claims of pending disasters, is a cry that icepacks are now melting at three times the rate of the 1990s, even though there has not been any significant warming in the past 20 years. Greenland's icepack melt off, has been linked to volcanic activity under the ice, heating it. Must be the magmamen and their SUVs. These facts, however, do not faze the Gia crowd and their Elite/Governmental backers. The fact that a super storm hit the NE US is also being played as evidence of GW. Thank God that before GW no such things ever happened. How are they to explain that Russia and Eastern Europe are projected to have the coldest winter in 20 years? Oh, but I doubt my Western readers are even aware of that.
Now, with their economies in a spiral of debt laden, non-manufacturing recession (if not out and out depression), the Elites, who sense they are loosing their grip or toe hold on key economic regions outside their home regions, are once again calling out their inquisitors of Global Warming and sending them towards the developing world.
The first salvo has been fired by a British Warming dandy named Lord Nicholas Stern of Brentford, who as an academic at Whitehall, has made a career and quite a bit of money off of this scam. Lord Stern, a former World Bank chief economist and author of the landmark Stern review of the economics of climate change, was a close associate of Gordon Brown and the Leftists, who with the Tory counterparts and in parallel to the American Democrats/Republicans set up the grand and self destructive economic schemes that have plunged their own nations and many many others into the abyss of poverty.
The good Lord Stern, in commentary on why countries such as Russia, China, India and Brazil, in other words, the BRICs, have to pony up cash and depress their own growth, made this statement for the Guardian paper: "It's a brutal arithmetic - the changing structure of the world's economy has been dramatic. That is something developing countries will have to face up to,"
His premiss is that even if you take out the deindustrialized West, run away Global Warming will not stop due to the industrialized world. Its now all the fault of those raising themselves up for the destruction of the world, from the phantom joke of GW. Lord Stern tried to assure that the opening salvo was not a salvo, by stating: "I am not pointing the finger at the developing world, just looking at what is necessary. I am not accusing or proposing, just calculating what is needed [to meet scientific estimates of the emissions cuts needed to avoid dangerous levels of climate change]". More like a calculated accusation. After all, this is not some light weight of the GIA cult, but the movement's chief economist who enjoyed the ear of the UK government: a perfect tool of the Western Elites.
Expect the cries to get louder and more shrill in the months to follow.
Amongst the newest claims of pending disasters, is a cry that icepacks are now melting at three times the rate of the 1990s, even though there has not been any significant warming in the past 20 years. Greenland's icepack melt off, has been linked to volcanic activity under the ice, heating it. Must be the magmamen and their SUVs. These facts, however, do not faze the Gia crowd and their Elite/Governmental backers. The fact that a super storm hit the NE US is also being played as evidence of GW. Thank God that before GW no such things ever happened. How are they to explain that Russia and Eastern Europe are projected to have the coldest winter in 20 years? Oh, but I doubt my Western readers are even aware of that.
Now, with their economies in a spiral of debt laden, non-manufacturing recession (if not out and out depression), the Elites, who sense they are loosing their grip or toe hold on key economic regions outside their home regions, are once again calling out their inquisitors of Global Warming and sending them towards the developing world.
The first salvo has been fired by a British Warming dandy named Lord Nicholas Stern of Brentford, who as an academic at Whitehall, has made a career and quite a bit of money off of this scam. Lord Stern, a former World Bank chief economist and author of the landmark Stern review of the economics of climate change, was a close associate of Gordon Brown and the Leftists, who with the Tory counterparts and in parallel to the American Democrats/Republicans set up the grand and self destructive economic schemes that have plunged their own nations and many many others into the abyss of poverty.
The good Lord Stern, in commentary on why countries such as Russia, China, India and Brazil, in other words, the BRICs, have to pony up cash and depress their own growth, made this statement for the Guardian paper: "It's a brutal arithmetic - the changing structure of the world's economy has been dramatic. That is something developing countries will have to face up to,"
His premiss is that even if you take out the deindustrialized West, run away Global Warming will not stop due to the industrialized world. Its now all the fault of those raising themselves up for the destruction of the world, from the phantom joke of GW. Lord Stern tried to assure that the opening salvo was not a salvo, by stating: "I am not pointing the finger at the developing world, just looking at what is necessary. I am not accusing or proposing, just calculating what is needed [to meet scientific estimates of the emissions cuts needed to avoid dangerous levels of climate change]". More like a calculated accusation. After all, this is not some light weight of the GIA cult, but the movement's chief economist who enjoyed the ear of the UK government: a perfect tool of the Western Elites.
Expect the cries to get louder and more shrill in the months to follow.
Edited by Blib on Sunday 6th January 17:08
Jasandjules said:
Diderot said:
Met orifice revises its predictions ... Downwards. Quelle surprise. Must be all that evil tax gas keeping us warm.
Don't worry. Global Warming can also mean (if you are taxing us for it) that the planet can get cooler...... What a bunch of arse this scam is.
I saw a headline on a news feed earlier that suggested the greying plant whisperer has been interviewed for a Television program to be shown tomorrow and will be suggesting that we all need to re-double our efforts to "green" our lives now that his offspring have started to breed.
Personally I am horrified that he is not horrified about the House of Windsor adding more humanity to the globe. I think he should have made it very clear to his sons that shagging around is fine, being a family trait, but actually breeding is not. Ever. With anyone.
Apart from anything else it will make his plans for a "smaller" royal family much more difficult to implement.
Personally I am horrified that he is not horrified about the House of Windsor adding more humanity to the globe. I think he should have made it very clear to his sons that shagging around is fine, being a family trait, but actually breeding is not. Ever. With anyone.
Apart from anything else it will make his plans for a "smaller" royal family much more difficult to implement.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 7th January 00:13
LongQ said:
I saw a headline on a news feed earlier that suggested the greying plant whisperer has been interviewed for a Telelvision program to be shown tomorrow and will be suggesting that we all need to re-double our efforts to "green" our lives now that his offspring have started to breed.
Personally I am horrified that he is not horrified about the House of Windsor adding more humanity to the globe. I think he should have made it very clear to his sons that shagging around is fine, being a family trait, but actually breeding is not. Ever. With anyone.
Apart from anything else it will make his plans for a "smaller" royal family much more difficult to implement.
Ah yes I've just had displeasure of seeing an abridged interview with dumbo on the BBC. His body language was priceless. What a knob jockey. Personally I am horrified that he is not horrified about the House of Windsor adding more humanity to the globe. I think he should have made it very clear to his sons that shagging around is fine, being a family trait, but actually breeding is not. Ever. With anyone.
Apart from anything else it will make his plans for a "smaller" royal family much more difficult to implement.
Diderot said:
LongQ said:
I saw a headline on a news feed earlier that suggested the greying plant whisperer has been interviewed for a Telelvision program to be shown tomorrow and will be suggesting that we all need to re-double our efforts to "green" our lives now that his offspring have started to breed.
Personally I am horrified that he is not horrified about the House of Windsor adding more humanity to the globe. I think he should have made it very clear to his sons that shagging around is fine, being a family trait, but actually breeding is not. Ever. With anyone.
Apart from anything else it will make his plans for a "smaller" royal family much more difficult to implement.
Ah yes I've just had displeasure of seeing an abridged interview with dumbo on the BBC. His body language was priceless. What a knob jockey. Personally I am horrified that he is not horrified about the House of Windsor adding more humanity to the globe. I think he should have made it very clear to his sons that shagging around is fine, being a family trait, but actually breeding is not. Ever. With anyone.
Apart from anything else it will make his plans for a "smaller" royal family much more difficult to implement.
ks on a loop.The BBC has also disinterred the Keeling Curve; you've guessed it, it's worse than we thought!!!11!one!1!
Edited by hidetheelephants on Monday 7th January 03:41
perdu said:
chris watton said:
turbobloke said:
There's a bit of a slow burn comeback for belief over on the 'Do Humans Contribute' poll thread, drifting point by point for the past few weeks. The tinfoil hat almost got an airing over the festive period when out of interest I looked at the most recent 12 registrations on PH. Of those 12, there were 4 of particular interest (no names no pack drill, PH: Privacy Matters) as they included a senior environmental engineer, a qualified environmental biochemist, a manager in the renewables and environment industry and a BSc in environmental biology. Clearly these petrolheads registering in a cluster represents nothing more than a statistical blip which reflects the growing impact of the environ mental industry as a source of jobs rather than anything else.
...I bet they'll all start off tentatively on these threads by stating initially that they are 'on the fence' - a few post more and they reveal themselves to be frothing at the mouth true believers (in the environmental gravy train) registering in a cluster represents nothing more than a statistical blip which reflects the growing impact of the environ mental industry as a source of jobs rather than anything else. As for me, I have decided to build a GD Cobra, and shoehorn a new LS3 6 litre 480bhp V8 in it, to do my bit to 'help tackle/combat' global cooling – before such beautiful machines are banned…
And I can take comfort in the knowledge that it was paid for by hard work, and me making a genuine profit for the company I work for, rather than scamming the taxpayer for funds.
Edited by chris watton on Thursday 27th December 11:31
I will not be holding my breath
hidetheelephants said:
Diderot said:
LongQ said:
I saw a headline on a news feed earlier that suggested the greying plant whisperer has been interviewed for a Telelvision program to be shown tomorrow and will be suggesting that we all need to re-double our efforts to "green" our lives now that his offspring have started to breed.
Personally I am horrified that he is not horrified about the House of Windsor adding more humanity to the globe. I think he should have made it very clear to his sons that shagging around is fine, being a family trait, but actually breeding is not. Ever. With anyone.
Apart from anything else it will make his plans for a "smaller" royal family much more difficult to implement.
Ah yes I've just had displeasure of seeing an abridged interview with dumbo on the BBC. His body language was priceless. What a knob jockey. Personally I am horrified that he is not horrified about the House of Windsor adding more humanity to the globe. I think he should have made it very clear to his sons that shagging around is fine, being a family trait, but actually breeding is not. Ever. With anyone.
Apart from anything else it will make his plans for a "smaller" royal family much more difficult to implement.
ks on a loop.The BBC has also disinterred the Keeling Curve; you've guessed it, it's worse than we thought!!!11!one!1!
Edited by hidetheelephants on Monday 7th January 03:41
Over the weekend I heard some very brief mention (possibly on the beeb radio) of record low temps in China and India.
Ignoring the more obvious point (increased emissions there must equal higher temps - oops, reality on the blink again) has anyone else seen this or know more about it?
If I need to be kept fully up-to-date with, say, Mr. Indian's propensity for bus-rape then shirley I need to know about record breaking weather too...(and many apologies for seemingly downplaying the impact of the disgusting sexual violence but it's just a rhetorical device).
So, colder in Asia, hotter in SW Australia, wetter in UK, drier in...Mongolia (perhaps), I think I can guarantee Mr. Harrabin can find some correlating climatic event to prove - beyond doubt - that we're all doomed.
P.S. Isn't it time we (the UK) were treated to another 'full on' epidemic scare - SARS, bird flu, Spanish flu etc. The Norovirus just isn't doing the business (we've had our dose - 4 days of uncertainty and fasting).
Ignoring the more obvious point (increased emissions there must equal higher temps - oops, reality on the blink again) has anyone else seen this or know more about it?
If I need to be kept fully up-to-date with, say, Mr. Indian's propensity for bus-rape then shirley I need to know about record breaking weather too...(and many apologies for seemingly downplaying the impact of the disgusting sexual violence but it's just a rhetorical device).
So, colder in Asia, hotter in SW Australia, wetter in UK, drier in...Mongolia (perhaps), I think I can guarantee Mr. Harrabin can find some correlating climatic event to prove - beyond doubt - that we're all doomed.
P.S. Isn't it time we (the UK) were treated to another 'full on' epidemic scare - SARS, bird flu, Spanish flu etc. The Norovirus just isn't doing the business (we've had our dose - 4 days of uncertainty and fasting).
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