Meanwhile, In Syria

[Transmitter Man]

Bibbs said:

So a few Iranian Arabs wanted their own country and did some nasty things AGAINST Iran (with funding from Iraq), and then a few months later the west supported Saddam in gassing the Iranians and going to war?

So for that reason we shouldn't like them?

Would rather be in Tehran than Riyadh, Baghdad, Damascus, Dubai or Jerusalem (in fact, I'm trying to organise a few weeks there within the next year).

Edited by Bibbs on Tuesday 11th July 01:45

In that case go via Israel (first), here to Cyprus for Euro 40 on El Al Up before your onward journey to to Dubai, (tricky flying to your choice of countries from from Israel) Riyadh, Damascus and then Tehran. Enjoy them all, they'll welcome all that foreign currency and you might even change your views of countries you never previously visited.

Phil

[Blaster72]

Sad to see another Brit fighting alongside the YPG has been killed near Raqqa.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40572844

[Globs]

I think Transmitter Man wanted some more info about Israel's part in Syria, it's quite interesting how far they are involved in the conflict.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07/02/israeli-de...

This is the former mossad director Efraim Helvy explaining why Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria are 'good', but Hezbollah (fighting ISIS for 5 years+) are Bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuU_KY_4vz8

I found it quite interesting when they explain on camera that Assad is worse than ISIS, it's certainly an interesting perspective, and one that only makes sense if we consider that ISIS is a rather different animal than it's portrayed to be.

It's interesting that the US blames Al Qaeda for 9/11 (despite their inability to access WTC5,6 and 7) and some people even consider that Israel did it: https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it but Israel itself - a key dependent of the US - doesn't seem to bear any ill will toward Al Qaeda:

I think this just shows how caring and forgiving the government and people of Israel really are, and I'm sure that if we were all exactly like them the world would be a more peaceful place.

As for the latest news, Israel will be ignoring the ceasefire which new best friends Putin and Trump worked out recently.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07/10/israel-not...

So far the ceasefire is holding it seems, or as the americans call it 'a pause for re-arming our terrorists', I do wonder if the ceasefire was a response to the US threat to stage a(nother) false flag chemical attack and blame Assad, but Assad has been (falsely) accused of these motiveless, bizarre attacks in a previous ceasefire just last year.

One has to wonder why Assad would bomb his own people rather than the ones attacking him, but these logical blocks are simply ignored by the US, a country so keen on war they've failed to notice their slide into 2nd World Country status and their imminent fall into a major, major recession.
In fact one has to wonder what's in Syria for the US at all? Going bankrupt in Syria is probably not what the Founding Fathers intended. Or indeed having a parasitic private banking cartel minting the currency.. which is where it all started to go wrong.

[Bibbs]

Transmitter Man said:

In that case go via Israel (first), here to Cyprus for Euro 40 on El Al Up before your onward journey to to Dubai, (tricky flying to your choice of countries from from Israel) Riyadh, Damascus and then Tehran. Enjoy them all, they'll welcome all that foreign currency and you might even change your views of countries you never previously visited.

I think you mis-read me. Not going to any of the others if I can help it.

Unfortunatly I have to go via Dubai for a stop over, and I hate that any of my money goes to them.
I might have to take a cheap air line, as I think some go from KL/Bangkok.

But there are rumours of more direct flights coming soon.

[Transmitter Man]

Bibbs said:

So a few Iranian Arabs wanted their own country and did some nasty things AGAINST Iran (with funding from Iraq), and then a few months later the west supported Saddam in gassing the Iranians and going to war?

So for that reason we shouldn't like them?

Would rather be in Tehran than Riyadh, Baghdad, Damascus, Dubai or Jerusalem (in fact, I'm trying to organise a few weeks there within the next year).

Edited by Bibbs on Tuesday 11th July 01:45

Bibbs,

Iranians (Persians) are not Arabs, please.

Do we take the rest of your post seriously?

Phil

[Transmitter Man]

Globs said:

I think Transmitter Man wanted some more info about Israel's part in Syria, it's quite interesting how far they are involved in the conflict.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07/02/israeli-de...

This is the former mossad director Efraim Helvy explaining why Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria are 'good', but Hezbollah (fighting ISIS for 5 years+) are Bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuU_KY_4vz8

I found it quite interesting when they explain on camera that Assad is worse than ISIS, it's certainly an interesting perspective, and one that only makes sense if we consider that ISIS is a rather different animal than it's portrayed to be.

It's interesting that the US blames Al Qaeda for 9/11 (despite their inability to access WTC5,6 and 7) and some people even consider that Israel did it: https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it but Israel itself - a key dependent of the US - doesn't seem to bear any ill will toward Al Qaeda:

I think this just shows how caring and forgiving the government and people of Israel really are, and I'm sure that if we were all exactly like them the world would be a more peaceful place.

As for the latest news, Israel will be ignoring the ceasefire which new best friends Putin and Trump worked out recently.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07/10/israel-not...

So far the ceasefire is holding it seems, or as the americans call it 'a pause for re-arming our terrorists', I do wonder if the ceasefire was a response to the US threat to stage a(nother) false flag chemical attack and blame Assad, but Assad has been (falsely) accused of these motiveless, bizarre attacks in a previous ceasefire just last year.

One has to wonder why Assad would bomb his own people rather than the ones attacking him, but these logical blocks are simply ignored by the US, a country so keen on war they've failed to notice their slide into 2nd World Country status and their imminent fall into a major, major recession.
In fact one has to wonder what's in Syria for the US at all? Going bankrupt in Syria is probably not what the Founding Fathers intended. Or indeed having a parasitic private banking cartel minting the currency.. which is where it all started to go wrong.

Globs,

Hezbollah fighting ISIS for five years.

With relatively few exceptions you are simple wrong.

From the first day Nasrallah's boys crossed into Syria (under instructions from Iran's) they have propped up Assad by fighting the many opposition group's predominantly the Syrian backed groups.
It suits Assad, and Iran to crush local opposition leaving ISIS to the International forces.

Assad now has a very weak military. Most boots on the ground are made up of both Iranian and Hezbollah groups.

Russia controls the air.

Again, with few exceptions they are intent on crushing what remains of Syrian opposition group's, not ISIS.

Phil

[Bibbs]

Transmitter Man said:

Bibbs,

Iranians (Persians) are not Arabs, please.

Do we take the rest of your post seriously?

Phil

Really? Wow! Like I didn't know.

But you'll obviously know the guys that instigated the Iranian Embassy hostage taking, were Iranian (nationality) Arabs (ethnicity) wanting independance for the region of Arabistan?

Edited by Bibbs on Monday 17th July 04:52

[Globs]

Interestingly Turkey has given out the locations of the 10 US bases in Northern Syria.
I'm guessing the more Erdogan reflects on the US attempt to murder him last year the more pissed he gets.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/pentagon-...




Despite no american being allowed in the country they've already got at least 10 bases there. The US respects no law.
Mind you, they have over 27,000 troops in Okinawa taking nearly a fifth of the land in dozens of bases, and that war finished about 70 years ago:



So I guess we shouldn't be surprised, especially with the ongoing occupation of Korea since the 1950s. Dug in like ticks.

[Countdown]

Odd.... The US not funding the Syrian rebels any more...?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/19/world/middleeas...

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Transmitter Man said:

Come on Quantum, you're slacking.

Have another vodka on me, Na Zdorovia

Syriac Military Council: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Military_Coun...

Could you please give me a level 2 question.

Phil

Edited by Transmitter Man on Monday 10th July 16:25

A group fighting a guerilla, and in this case a full conventional war, against the legitimate government of a sovereign nation. Sounds a lot like a terrorist group to me, but then one man's terrorist group is another man's Freedom fighter, or in Syria, one man's moderate peace loving Islamic fundamentalist, is another man's psychotic violent genocidal religious killer.

Shall we ask the American special forces troops and their families they left behind, who were training the "Syrian freedom fighters" in Jordan ?

http://hpub.org/Murder_Of_Green_Berets_In_Jordan_E...

Sounds just like the actions of a band of moderate, peace loving secular groups, that the western world should be definitely be training, funding and supplying with weapons. it is not like they will appear on the streets of our cities, such as Nice, Paris, London or Brussels. No chance at all.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 20th July 11:40

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Oh look, suddenly there are "moderate rebel groups" spilling out of every orifice in Syria. You would think with this many "peace loving" moderate groups in the country, Syria should be resembling a 60's hippie commune by now.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-19/heres-why...

According to a recent report by CBC Canada, al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, which was formerly known as al-Nusra Front and then Jabhat Fateh al-Sham (JFS) since July 2016, has been removed from the terror watch-lists of the US and Canada after it merged with fighters from Zenki Brigade and hardline jihadists from Ahrar al-Sham and rebranded itself as Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) in January this year.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 20th July 11:50

[scherzkeks]

CIA not only armed insurgents in Syria, it paid their salaries.

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/888800868...

Your daily reminder that Obama is a war criminal, like Shrub before him. Sickening.

[grumbledoak]

It appears that ISIS in Syria are aiming for a last stand at Deir ez-Zor. The Russian Air Force is making them feel welcome:
https://www.rt.com/news/400335-isis-reinforcements...

Go Russia!

[schmalex]

I fear, though, that crippling Daesh in their heartland will just lead to more sympathisers and indoctrinated individuals to step up the ad hoc attacks on soft targets in the West in the name of jihad.

[BlackLabel]

Meanwhile Syrians are returning to their homes in droves to start rebuilding their lives and their country.

Over 600,000 displaced Syrians returned home so far this year – UN agency

[BlackLabel]

Thousands of civilians trapped in Raqqa, northern Syria, are coming under fire from all sides as the battle for control of the city enters its final stage, Amnesty International said following an in-depth investigation on the ground. The warring parties must prioritize protecting them from hostilities and creating safe ways for them to flee the frontline. In a report released today, the organization documents how hundreds of civilians have been killed and injured since an offensive began in June to recapture the “capital” and main stronghold of the armed group calling itself Islamic State (IS). Survivors and witnesses told Amnesty International that they faced IS booby traps and snipers targeting anyone trying to flee, as well as a constant barrage of artillery strikes and airstrikes by the US-led coalition forces fighting alongside the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) armed group. At the same time, survivors recounted how Russian-backed Syrian government forces also bombarded civilians in villages and camps south of the river, including with internationally banned cluster bombs.

[Transmitter Man]

Globs,

Particularly of note is the deal offered Syria about Golan:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4291337,...

2012!

Phil

[Transmitter Man]

Globs said:

I think Transmitter Man wanted some more info about Israel's part in Syria, it's quite interesting how far they are involved in the conflict.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07/02/israeli-de...

This is the former mossad director Efraim Helvy explaining why Al Qaeda terrorists in Syria are 'good', but Hezbollah (fighting ISIS for 5 years+) are Bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuU_KY_4vz8

I found it quite interesting when they explain on camera that Assad is worse than ISIS, it's certainly an interesting perspective, and one that only makes sense if we consider that ISIS is a rather different animal than it's portrayed to be.

It's interesting that the US blames Al Qaeda for 9/11 (despite their inability to access WTC5,6 and 7) and some people even consider that Israel did it: https://www.wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it but Israel itself - a key dependent of the US - doesn't seem to bear any ill will toward Al Qaeda:

I think this just shows how caring and forgiving the government and people of Israel really are, and I'm sure that if we were all exactly like them the world would be a more peaceful place.

As for the latest news, Israel will be ignoring the ceasefire which new best friends Putin and Trump worked out recently.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/07/10/israel-not...

So far the ceasefire is holding it seems, or as the americans call it 'a pause for re-arming our terrorists', I do wonder if the ceasefire was a response to the US threat to stage a(nother) false flag chemical attack and blame Assad, but Assad has been (falsely) accused of these motiveless, bizarre attacks in a previous ceasefire just last year.

One has to wonder why Assad would bomb his own people rather than the ones attacking him, but these logical blocks are simply ignored by the US, a country so keen on war they've failed to notice their slide into 2nd World Country status and their imminent fall into a major, major recession.
In fact one has to wonder what's in Syria for the US at all? Going bankrupt in Syria is probably not what the Founding Fathers intended. Or indeed having a parasitic private banking cartel minting the currency.. which is where it all started to go wrong.

Globs,

I'll have to refer you back, again, as to how & why this conflicted started in March 2011.

(This is not the first time that the Assad family has killed it's own citizens BTW)

From 1:20: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/syria-civil-...

This conflict has zero to do with Balfour, Obama, Bibi or any extyernal nation on earth.

It is and was to do with repression by a dictator. In this case graffiti v's dictator with the latter starting a chain reaction due to his way over the top reaction to said graffiti. Twist this how you wish but this is the bottom line.

Same goes for Tunisia - Fruit seller v's dictator. Twist that however you want but you'll come back to the same two people.

You have it wrong, admit it.

It is for this reason I back the 'Syrian' opposition and no one else and that includes Quantums opposition as they are IMHO not legitimate opposition.

Phil

[grumbledoak]

Transmitter Man said:

It is and was to do with repression by a dictator. In this case graffiti v's dictator with the latter starting a chain reaction due to his way over the top reaction to said graffiti. Twist this how you wish but this is the bottom line.

It is laughable to suggest that America and it's allies have destroyed two and a half sovereign states in the Middle East just because they were run by dictators. Assigning any benevolent reason at all is stretching plausibility.

Cui bono?

[Globs]

I see Israel are now showing their true colours:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-24/netanyahu...
https://www.rt.com/news/400702-bibi-putin-iranian-...

The Israelis themselves have often said they prefer ISIS to Syria
http://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/destruct...

besa said:

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The West should seek the further weakening of Islamic State, but not its destruction. A weak but functioning IS can undermine the appeal of the caliphate among radical Muslims; keep bad actors focused on one another rather than on Western targets; and hamper Iran’s quest for regional hegemony.

US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter recently gathered defense ministers from allied nations to plan what officials hope will be the decisive stage in the campaign to eradicate the Islamic State (IS) organization. This is a strategic mistake.

This ties up with the Israeli weapons found in Syria, their help for wounded ISI fighters, the gift of the Golan Heights from ISIS to Israel, the apologies from ISIS to Israel when it fired upon them once and the numerous illegal attacks upon Syrian forces and infrastructure by Israel.

Due to Israel's help of the destabilizing force in Syria they are now presented with a battle hardened Hezbollah and Iran who also have an additional partner not just in Russia but increasingly in Qatar and Turkey. This self inflicted situation upon the idiots running Israel into the ground would be comical were it not for the death and destruction it has wrought.

I also note that after Israel stole the gas fields from the Palestinians it's now planning to operate the industry to extract it on their best beaches, effectively threatening Israeli citizens with poisoning from gas and gas byproducts.
http://www.jpost.com/Jerusalem-Report/Paradise-los...

This other self inflicted wound ties in with their Israeli push for Syria to run their gas pipelines through.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-23/moar-pipe...

One could perhaps invent a more moronic and deeply stupid way to run a country but with Israel it would be a challenge to beat them.