Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
Raygun said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Perhaps events like this, and the recent Westminster attack, we should be asking pragmatically, who are the most clear and present enemies of the Uk currently?
IslamMuslims are the ones suffering from ISIS - look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria: Dead muslims killed by ISIS and the terrorists that we and America have armed and organised.
The Muslims fighting these extremists are the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Syrians - the people our government calls our 'enemies'.
Today Trump meets Saudisrael, the biggest organisaer and sponsor of these terrorists, yesterday he was bowing to the Saudi king accepting a golden bribe as he agreed another arms sale, so they can exterminate more muslims in Yemen and Palestine.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/21/vt-does-a-...
We should be asking pragmatically: Why are we supporting our enemies and why do we keep attacking Russia, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah who are the only ones actually killing ISIS, Al Nusra and Al Qaeda terrorists?
Globs said:
Raygun said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Perhaps events like this, and the recent Westminster attack, we should be asking pragmatically, who are the most clear and present enemies of the Uk currently?
IslamMuslims are the ones suffering from ISIS - look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria: Dead muslims killed by ISIS and the terrorists that we and America have armed and organised.
The Muslims fighting these extremists are the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Syrians - the people our government calls our 'enemies'.
Today Trump meets Saudisrael, the biggest organisaer and sponsor of these terrorists, yesterday he was bowing to the Saudi king accepting a golden bribe as he agreed another arms sale, so they can exterminate more muslims in Yemen and Palestine.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/21/vt-does-a-...
We should be asking pragmatically: Why are we supporting our enemies and why do we keep attacking Russia, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah who are the only ones actually killing ISIS, Al Nusra and Al Qaeda terrorists?
Raygun said:
Globs said:
Raygun said:
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Perhaps events like this, and the recent Westminster attack, we should be asking pragmatically, who are the most clear and present enemies of the Uk currently?
IslamMuslims are the ones suffering from ISIS - look at Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria: Dead muslims killed by ISIS and the terrorists that we and America have armed and organised.
The Muslims fighting these extremists are the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Syrians - the people our government calls our 'enemies'.
Today Trump meets Saudisrael, the biggest organisaer and sponsor of these terrorists, yesterday he was bowing to the Saudi king accepting a golden bribe as he agreed another arms sale, so they can exterminate more muslims in Yemen and Palestine.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/21/vt-does-a-...
We should be asking pragmatically: Why are we supporting our enemies and why do we keep attacking Russia, Iran, Syria and Hezbollah who are the only ones actually killing ISIS, Al Nusra and Al Qaeda terrorists?
Where you find Saudi money supporting Mosques, Islamic teaching, Madrassa etc. There you will find extremism, like night follows day.
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Tuesday 23 May 15:49
Raygun said:
I'm not interested in finding out the truth behind these endless wars,
I prefer to remain ignorant, tribal and hating 1.6bn people instead, even though it means
less money and security for me and my family as I get suckered by the very authorities I defend.
Fixed it for you. HTH.I prefer to remain ignorant, tribal and hating 1.6bn people instead, even though it means
less money and security for me and my family as I get suckered by the very authorities I defend.
Meanwhile in Syria:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-22/how-russi...
ZH said:
“What has Russia done to deserve all the negative press and unsupported claims of criminal meddling?…Just look at a map. For the last 16 years, the US has been rampaging across North Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia. Washington intends to control critical oil and natural gas reserves in the ME, establish military bases across Central Asia, and remain the dominant player in an area of that is set to become the most populous and prosperous region of the world…”
“But one country has upset that plan, blocked that plan, derailed that plan. Russia. Russia has stopped Washington’s murderous marauding and genocidal depredations in Ukraine and Syria, which is why the US foreign policy establishment is so pissed-off. US elites aren’t used to obstacles.”
“For the last quarter of a century – since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dissolution of the Soviet Union – the world had been Washington’s oyster. If the president of the United States wanted to invade a country in the Middle East, kill a million people, and leave the place in a smoldering pile of rubble, then who could stop him? …Nobody. Because Washington owns this fu**ing planet and everyone else is just a visitor…Capisce?.”
“But now all that’s changed. Now evil Putin has thrown up a roadblock to US hegemony in Syria and Ukraine. Now Washington’s land-bridge to Central Asia has been split in two, and its plan to control vital pipeline corridors from Qatar to the EU is no longer viable. Russia has stopped Washington dead-in-its tracks and Washington is furious.”
I'm sure it's really the fault of those 1.6m muslims though, it's just a coincidence that we had Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen and Syria as viable, peaceful countries before the CIA/Bush moved in and spent an estimated $5tn reducing it to rubble and filling it with the followers of Saudi-Arabia's Wahhabism - a sect us Brits grew when we created Saudi and put the Zio-Wahhabist Ibn Saud in charge next to their fellow invading religious extremists next door in Palestine.“But one country has upset that plan, blocked that plan, derailed that plan. Russia. Russia has stopped Washington’s murderous marauding and genocidal depredations in Ukraine and Syria, which is why the US foreign policy establishment is so pissed-off. US elites aren’t used to obstacles.”
“For the last quarter of a century – since the fall of the Berlin Wall and the dissolution of the Soviet Union – the world had been Washington’s oyster. If the president of the United States wanted to invade a country in the Middle East, kill a million people, and leave the place in a smoldering pile of rubble, then who could stop him? …Nobody. Because Washington owns this fu**ing planet and everyone else is just a visitor…Capisce?.”
“But now all that’s changed. Now evil Putin has thrown up a roadblock to US hegemony in Syria and Ukraine. Now Washington’s land-bridge to Central Asia has been split in two, and its plan to control vital pipeline corridors from Qatar to the EU is no longer viable. Russia has stopped Washington dead-in-its tracks and Washington is furious.”
Do wake up fellas.
ISIS impose Sariah law in the territories they are occupying, they are therefore adherents of Islam. Simple.
No excuses.
Yes there are some sects of Islam - and indeed many adherents to Islam - who are not terrorists, most of us generally accept this, but to say ISIS doesn't act / represent / believe in islam is just bulls
t.
Hezbollah, etc., are as disgusting and dangerous, they're another of sick murderers, like ISIS. Why do they want ISIS out of the way? So they can take the money and power that ISIS has accumulated.
ISIS impose Sariah law in the territories they are occupying, they are therefore adherents of Islam. Simple.
No excuses.
Yes there are some sects of Islam - and indeed many adherents to Islam - who are not terrorists, most of us generally accept this, but to say ISIS doesn't act / represent / believe in islam is just bulls
t.Hezbollah, etc., are as disgusting and dangerous, they're another of sick murderers, like ISIS. Why do they want ISIS out of the way? So they can take the money and power that ISIS has accumulated.
Likes Fast Cars said:
Do wake up fellas.
ISIS impose Sariah law in the territories they are occupying, they are therefore adherents of Islam. Simple.
No excuses.
Yes there are some sects of Islam - and indeed many adherents to Islam - who are not terrorists, most of us generally accept this, but to say ISIS doesn't act / represent / believe in islam is just bullst.
Hezbollah, etc., are as disgusting and dangerous, they're another of sick murderers, like ISIS. Why do they want ISIS out of the way? So they can take the money and power that ISIS has accumulated.
Oh dear.ISIS impose Sariah law in the territories they are occupying, they are therefore adherents of Islam. Simple.
No excuses.
Yes there are some sects of Islam - and indeed many adherents to Islam - who are not terrorists, most of us generally accept this, but to say ISIS doesn't act / represent / believe in islam is just bulls
t.Hezbollah, etc., are as disgusting and dangerous, they're another of sick murderers, like ISIS. Why do they want ISIS out of the way? So they can take the money and power that ISIS has accumulated.
Did you realise that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel and the CIA created ISIS? That's your first hurdle to overcome, realising that.
Additionally the people fighting ISIS are mainly Muslims, because that's the people we direct our proxy army (ISIS) to attack. These people fighting against ISIS do NOT support anything that ISIS are doing - in your view they can't be muslims?
Who told you Hezbollah are disgusting? Where did you learn that? They are dangerous - they have killed many terrorists and repelled Israel's 6th invasion into Lebanon in 2006, so you are correct about that. Dangerous is not bad however, Dangerous is any weapon, and this weapon is killing terrorists. Our terrorists. And saving Syrian men, women and children from death and injury.
As for the money, you have failed to notice that Saudisrael and the Anglo-zio west are out to smash up Iran, via Syria and will flatten Lebanon on the way: Hezbollah are fighting for their own survival and the survival of the last remaining civilised part of the middle east that Our Friends - Saudi/Qatar/Israel - are intent on smashing up, often using us and America as the hammer.
When you watch this - bear in mind this was a PREDICTION - not a description. Look carefully at the date he spoke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E&fe...
If you are really interested in Syria I suggest you ignore the increasingly shrill and fake western zio-propaganda and read some articles from people who know what they are talking about.
http://thesaker.is/syrian-war-report-may-22-2017-i...
This perpetual war in the Middle East is not a tribal THEM vs US fight, that's just what the zio-press are selling it to the average sucker as, it's a tribal Elite vs US war and every Syrian that gets killed puts you nearer to a police state and total serfdom. If you look closely at our government perhaps one day you'll wake up and realise that it's not being run for our benefit, you and I are simple collateral - like those poor souls in Manchester - and I find it sad that you support your enemy with such gusto and ignorant bravado.
Ignorance Matters.
Globs said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
Do wake up fellas.
ISIS impose Sariah law in the territories they are occupying, they are therefore adherents of Islam. Simple.
No excuses.
Yes there are some sects of Islam - and indeed many adherents to Islam - who are not terrorists, most of us generally accept this, but to say ISIS doesn't act / represent / believe in islam is just bullst.
Hezbollah, etc., are as disgusting and dangerous, they're another of sick murderers, like ISIS. Why do they want ISIS out of the way? So they can take the money and power that ISIS has accumulated.
Oh dear.ISIS impose Sariah law in the territories they are occupying, they are therefore adherents of Islam. Simple.
No excuses.
Yes there are some sects of Islam - and indeed many adherents to Islam - who are not terrorists, most of us generally accept this, but to say ISIS doesn't act / represent / believe in islam is just bulls
t.Hezbollah, etc., are as disgusting and dangerous, they're another of sick murderers, like ISIS. Why do they want ISIS out of the way? So they can take the money and power that ISIS has accumulated.
Did you realise that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel and the CIA created ISIS? That's your first hurdle to overcome, realising that.
Additionally the people fighting ISIS are mainly Muslims, because that's the people we direct our proxy army (ISIS) to attack. These people fighting against ISIS do NOT support anything that ISIS are doing - in your view they can't be muslims?
Who told you Hezbollah are disgusting? Where did you learn that? They are dangerous - they have killed many terrorists and repelled Israel's 6th invasion into Lebanon in 2006, so you are correct about that. Dangerous is not bad however, Dangerous is any weapon, and this weapon is killing terrorists. Our terrorists. And saving Syrian men, women and children from death and injury.
As for the money, you have failed to notice that Saudisrael and the Anglo-zio west are out to smash up Iran, via Syria and will flatten Lebanon on the way: Hezbollah are fighting for their own survival and the survival of the last remaining civilised part of the middle east that Our Friends - Saudi/Qatar/Israel - are intent on smashing up, often using us and America as the hammer.
When you watch this - bear in mind this was a PREDICTION - not a description. Look carefully at the date he spoke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUCwCgthp_E&fe...
If you are really interested in Syria I suggest you ignore the increasingly shrill and fake western zio-propaganda and read some articles from people who know what they are talking about.
http://thesaker.is/syrian-war-report-may-22-2017-i...
This perpetual war in the Middle East is not a tribal THEM vs US fight, that's just what the zio-press are selling it to the average sucker as, it's a tribal Elite vs US war and every Syrian that gets killed puts you nearer to a police state and total serfdom. If you look closely at our government perhaps one day you'll wake up and realise that it's not being run for our benefit, you and I are simple collateral - like those poor souls in Manchester - and I find it sad that you support your enemy with such gusto and ignorant bravado.
Ignorance Matters.
king crap you're writing here. You are stupid.I happen to know a s
tload more about what's going than you, evidently.Read what I wrote FFS and stop going on about a load of tripe you made up, most of which is completely incoherent. Then we can have a decent discussion on the subject.
I don't mind people sharing their views no matter how crazy, but stop trying to create false history and indulging in fanciful story-telling, that's for children of your intellectual level.
This is worth a read IF you want a glimmer of truth from an analyst with an extremely strong track record.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/a-short-histo...
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/a-short-histo...
rival38 said:
This is worth a read IF you want a glimmer of truth from an analyst with an extremely strong track record.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/a-short-histo...
Many thanks, always appreciate a good read. There still the matter of conjecture on a number of points, but nevertheless some good facts. http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/a-short-histo...
Likes Fast Cars said:
How did the CIA and Israel create ISIS?
Like this:https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=How+did+the...
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=How+did+the+CIA+and+Isra...
Rival38: Good article.
Globs said:
The Muslims fighting these extremists are the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Syrians - the people our government calls our 'enemies'.
One group of Islamic nutjob terrorists fighting another group of Islamic nutjob terrorists.Also if it's America and the western way they despise so much why do they all use Twitter and facebook, dress in jeans, have mobile phones drink Coca-Cola?
Globs said:
Likes Fast Cars said:
How did the CIA and Israel create ISIS?
Like this:https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=How+did+the...
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=How+did+the+CIA+and+Isra...
Rival38: Good article.
Secret DIA/Pentagon report -- US using ISIS as a tool to destroy Assad.
Cynical and disgusting beyond words when one thinks of the blood spilled and the cultural treasures and artifacts we have lost as a result.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/20...
Raygun said:
One group of Islamic nutjob terrorists fighting another group of Islamic nutjob terrorists.
Also if it's America and the western way they despise so much why do they all use Twitter and facebook, dress in jeans, have mobile phones drink Coca-Cola?
A point often missed by many.Also if it's America and the western way they despise so much why do they all use Twitter and facebook, dress in jeans, have mobile phones drink Coca-Cola?
Raygun said:
Globs said:
The Muslims fighting these extremists are the Iranians, Hezbollah, the Syrians - the people our government calls our 'enemies'.
One group of Islamic nutjob terrorists fighting another group of Islamic nutjob terrorists.Also if it's America and the western way they despise so much why do they all use Twitter and facebook, dress in jeans, have mobile phones drink Coca-Cola?
I don't agree that Hezbollah for example are the friends of anyone in the west, as I say they are as vicious, vile, and nasty as all the others.
scherzkeks said:
Raygun said:
scherzkeks said:
I posted this long ago, but I see it needs a re-post:
"Steve you've been on that computer all day, turn it off and come down here your dinner's getting cold"
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