Meanwhile, In Syria
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These so called “strongmen” really don’t like it when people say bad things about them.
“ Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened Europe with a flood of refugees on Thursday if the continent's leaders call the Turkish invasion of Syria an "occupation."
"We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way," Erdogan said while speaking to officials from his ruling AK Party, according to Reuters.”
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdoga...
“ Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened Europe with a flood of refugees on Thursday if the continent's leaders call the Turkish invasion of Syria an "occupation."
"We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way," Erdogan said while speaking to officials from his ruling AK Party, according to Reuters.”
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdoga...
Cobnapint said:
BlackLabel said:
These so called “strongmen” really don’t like it when people say bad things about them.
“ Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened Europe with a flood of refugees on Thursday if the continent's leaders call the Turkish invasion of Syria an "occupation."
"We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way," Erdogan said while speaking to officials from his ruling AK Party, according to Reuters.”
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdoga...
It's almost as if he's asking to be thrown out of NATO.“ Turkey's President Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened Europe with a flood of refugees on Thursday if the continent's leaders call the Turkish invasion of Syria an "occupation."
"We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way," Erdogan said while speaking to officials from his ruling AK Party, according to Reuters.”
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdoga...
He wouldn't be bothered one bit, he's besties with Trump these days.
Why don't the Kurds just withdraw to the safe zone line that Erdot
t says he wants. They'll never beat Turkey (although looking at some of them...) so why not save themselves, pull back and if Turkey goes beyond it's remit, they can play the victim card and call Trump out on his statement.
t says he wants. They'll never beat Turkey (although looking at some of them...) so why not save themselves, pull back and if Turkey goes beyond it's remit, they can play the victim card and call Trump out on his statement.Cobnapint said:
Why don't the Kurds just withdraw to the safe zone line that Erdott says he wants. They'll never beat Turkey (although looking at some of them...) so why not save themselves, pull back and if Turkey goes beyond it's remit, they can play the victim card and call Trump out on his statement.
The Turks don't give a st says he wants. They'll never beat Turkey (although looking at some of them...) so why not save themselves, pull back and if Turkey goes beyond it's remit, they can play the victim card and call Trump out on his statement.t whether the militia have withdrawn(which they have from the 3 mile buffer under the agreement with the US and Turkey to create a DMZ), they're shelling and bombing civilians anyway; Erdogan's agenda is pretty obvious with his employment of Syrian mercenaries, he wants a nice compliant islamist client statelet next to act as a dog in the manger to prevent a secular and democratic Kurdish state becoming established.Legend83 said:
On BBC news a 5 year old girl with her leg blown off and her 12 year old brother killed by Turkish rockets.
Someone needs to put a bullet through that Erdogan bloke.
Turkey has no business remaining in Nato. That is clear.Someone needs to put a bullet through that Erdogan bloke.
Neither should their present trajectory be encouraged by even the slightest hint they might gain access to the EU. Enough is enough. Erdogan has created a poisonous regime and it cannot be considered democratic or civilised.
Time to think about a hard border.
Digga said:
Turkey has no business remaining in Nato. That is clear.
Neither should their present trajectory be encouraged by even the slightest hint they might gain access to the EU. Enough is enough. Erdogan has created a poisonous regime and it cannot be considered democratic or civilised.
Time to think about a hard border.
A hard border would be difficult to implement for the EU. Immigrants and refugees would be handed boats by Turkey and skip across the Med to Greece or Black Sea to Bulgaria, neither of whom would have the resources to police such large areas of sea. Even then, what do they or any EU maritime humanitarian mission do with those they pick up?Neither should their present trajectory be encouraged by even the slightest hint they might gain access to the EU. Enough is enough. Erdogan has created a poisonous regime and it cannot be considered democratic or civilised.
Time to think about a hard border.
They would pass through Armenia and Georgia, then through Russia (with a helping hand) in to the Ukraine who would also be powerless to stop them. Next stop Poland.
Turkey hold a strong hand here, and US "diplomacy" is in no position to influence, and Turkey don't listen to the EU.
Throwing Turkey out of NATO would be a huge geopolitical disaster for both NATO and the EU. Turkey would likely align themselves to Russia, handing Russia the warm water ports they desire and free access to overland oil transit routes from Kurdistan where they are currently drilling.
I don't think Erdogan respects his position in NATO. He's abusing it and using it as a tool to threaten the west.
He's already bought Russian S-400 SAMs and by all accounts wanted to buy the F-35 from the US too. No fking chance mate, you can't be trusted with the tech. NATO allies don't treat each other like he does. He's no friend of ours.
He's already bought Russian S-400 SAMs and by all accounts wanted to buy the F-35 from the US too. No f
king chance mate, you can't be trusted with the tech. NATO allies don't treat each other like he does. He's no friend of ours.Transmitter Man said:
Steve, Putin already has a port in the Med, Tartous, Syria, less than a couple of hundred miles from here in Cyprus.
Tartous is on foreign soil.With Turkey as a non NATO ally, Russia would have fee access to the Med through the Bosporus Strait from Sevastopol and Mariupol.
Macski said:
Sorry this has been said before but when Erdogan threatens to send three and a half million refuges to Europe instead of giving him billions Europe should tell him he can keep his Beko ovens, fruit and holidays.
I should think he's certainly blown any chances of becoming a member of the EU after that. Even with the ones that previously thought it was a good idea. Cobnapint said:
Macski said:
Sorry this has been said before but when Erdogan threatens to send three and a half million refuges to Europe instead of giving him billions Europe should tell him he can keep his Beko ovens, fruit and holidays.
I should think he's certainly blown any chances of becoming a member of the EU after that. Even with the ones that previously thought it was a good idea. stevesingo said:
A hard border would be difficult to implement for the EU. Immigrants and refugees would be handed boats by Turkey and skip across the Med to Greece or Black Sea to Bulgaria, neither of whom would have the resources to police such large areas of sea. Even then, what do they or any EU maritime humanitarian mission do with those they pick up?
They would pass through Armenia and Georgia, then through Russia (with a helping hand) in to the Ukraine who would also be powerless to stop them. Next stop Poland.
Turkey hold a strong hand here, and US "diplomacy" is in no position to influence, and Turkey don't listen to the EU.
Throwing Turkey out of NATO would be a huge geopolitical disaster for both NATO and the EU. Turkey would likely align themselves to Russia, handing Russia the warm water ports they desire and free access to overland oil transit routes from Kurdistan where they are currently drilling.
I don’t think Turkey would allay itself with Russia. The history and tension between the Turks and the Russians goes back centuries and is centred around the control of the Bospherous and Mediterranean They would pass through Armenia and Georgia, then through Russia (with a helping hand) in to the Ukraine who would also be powerless to stop them. Next stop Poland.
Turkey hold a strong hand here, and US "diplomacy" is in no position to influence, and Turkey don't listen to the EU.
Throwing Turkey out of NATO would be a huge geopolitical disaster for both NATO and the EU. Turkey would likely align themselves to Russia, handing Russia the warm water ports they desire and free access to overland oil transit routes from Kurdistan where they are currently drilling.
Erdogan will use Putin but they will never trust each other or be friends
Earthdweller said:
stevesingo said:
A hard border would be difficult to implement for the EU. Immigrants and refugees would be handed boats by Turkey and skip across the Med to Greece or Black Sea to Bulgaria, neither of whom would have the resources to police such large areas of sea. Even then, what do they or any EU maritime humanitarian mission do with those they pick up?
They would pass through Armenia and Georgia, then through Russia (with a helping hand) in to the Ukraine who would also be powerless to stop them. Next stop Poland.
Turkey hold a strong hand here, and US "diplomacy" is in no position to influence, and Turkey don't listen to the EU.
Throwing Turkey out of NATO would be a huge geopolitical disaster for both NATO and the EU. Turkey would likely align themselves to Russia, handing Russia the warm water ports they desire and free access to overland oil transit routes from Kurdistan where they are currently drilling.
I don’t think Turkey would allay itself with Russia. The history and tension between the Turks and the Russians goes back centuries and is centred around the control of the Bospherous and Mediterranean They would pass through Armenia and Georgia, then through Russia (with a helping hand) in to the Ukraine who would also be powerless to stop them. Next stop Poland.
Turkey hold a strong hand here, and US "diplomacy" is in no position to influence, and Turkey don't listen to the EU.
Throwing Turkey out of NATO would be a huge geopolitical disaster for both NATO and the EU. Turkey would likely align themselves to Russia, handing Russia the warm water ports they desire and free access to overland oil transit routes from Kurdistan where they are currently drilling.
Erdogan will use Putin but they will never trust each other or be friends
Syria and Kurds fighting together against Turkey. Which way will the US and Russia jump. The Kurds seeking alliances with Russia and Syria, the Turks fighting the Kurds who were aligned to the West but now have been abandoned and are now seeking aliances with anyone who will help them.
Will the US step back in against a NATO member? Unlikely.
Will Russia? Maybe.
Russia against Turkey? Potential to not end well.
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