The 992 GT3 might be arriving later than you think!
Discussion
Taffy66 said:
I think it'll be a big step up on the 991.2GT3 in capability, but so what, my 991.2GT3 is already way more capable than i am..There is such a thing as being too good for its own good..!
I am not sure the overall driver enjoyment will be better. I think Porsche did a stellar job with the 991.2 GT3 and now it’s all regs and less noise etc.
A bit more down force, so what really. Nothing more they can do with it.
I rather they save 50kg in weight, which they could very easy but don't, they brag about grams of saving but fit fat parts !
RS even more weight than a GT3 , !! 600 lt make the RS a fat b
h :-) They need to rethink RS models imo they should weight at least 50kg less than a GT3.
Porsche911R said:
I rather they save 50kg in weight, which they could very easy but don't, they brag about grams of saving but fit fat parts !
RS even more weight than a GT3 , !! 600 lt make the RS a fat bh :-)
They need to rethink RS models imo they should weight at least 50kg less than a GT3.
The upcoming second batch RS is going to be approx 18Kg lighter than the first batch i've been informed..This is without the Weissach pack which is a further 29Kg lighter than the first batch RS and 991.2GT3 PDK CS..RS even more weight than a GT3 , !! 600 lt make the RS a fat b
h :-) They need to rethink RS models imo they should weight at least 50kg less than a GT3.
Collectively this adds up to a total weight saving of 47Kg over the first batch RS..Add in ITBs and i'm pretty confident that it'll be a noticeable step up..
The 600LT is an interesting car as you can buy a beauty from Redline cars with the must have Senna seats for what i'm paying for my 991.2GT3 RS WP..Its probably what i'd have bought if my RS allocation hadn't come through..
Taffy66 said:
Porsche911R said:
I rather they save 50kg in weight, which they could very easy but don't, they brag about grams of saving but fit fat parts !
RS even more weight than a GT3 , !! 600 lt make the RS a fat bh :-)
They need to rethink RS models imo they should weight at least 50kg less than a GT3.
The upcoming second batch RS is going to be approx 18Kg lighter than the first batch i've been informed..This is without the Weissach pack which is a further 29Kg lighter than the first batch RS and 991.2GT3 PDK CS..RS even more weight than a GT3 , !! 600 lt make the RS a fat b
h :-) They need to rethink RS models imo they should weight at least 50kg less than a GT3.
Collectively this adds up to a total weight saving of 47Kg over the first batch RS..Add in ITBs and i'm pretty confident that it'll be a noticeable step up..
The 600LT is an interesting car as you can buy a beauty from Redline cars with the must have Senna seats for what i'm paying for my 991.2GT3 RS WP..Its probably what i'd have bought if my RS allocation hadn't come through..
I’m not digging at Taffy either but just this generalisation about weight.
For starters there’s no way I would be able to tell the difference between my incoming WP slightly lighter 3RS than the first batch cars,I’m just not that good as most others aren’t either
All this talk of cars like the RS and GT3’s being heavy etc and the same vica versa compared to the competition is total utter b
ksOn the road there is no way Joe Pubic Hare or Bugs Bunny his best mate is ever going to be able to tell you or feel 50KGS of weight difference across the platform and how it drastically effects performance and handling,I for sure couldn’t!!!
If you are so worried about weight particularly on track forget whether the reversing camera is going to kill your lap time and save some proper weight! Buy a bloody track car and more than half the weight saved with nothing but 100% analogue controls
SIMPLES Job done properly,as for the rest they are what they are and weigh what they weigh within legislative boundaries!
By the way I was looking at a 1973 RS Paperweight the other day. Million QUID or something and I can tell you the interest ran out there,forget the values and if the 73 car was the same as the following I doubt not one person on here would swap a GT3,GTR3RS,911R or 997 4.0RS for it
One thing I would like to see Porsche do is an interior like the 430 SCUD or Specialie, stuff the 5kgs Of weight saved but just the race inspired feel would be good!
Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th May 10:50
Edited by Juno on Saturday 18th May 10:52
Yes another thread that’s been turned into how totes awesome the 991.2 GT3RS WP ITB second batch holy grail car is going to be.
It will be an awesome car but marginally distinguishable from the first batch imho. The WP is nice to have if that’s your thing but ITBs? Really? How much more responsive is the throttle exactly. Milliseconds?
Nobody has bothered to quantify it (strangely) and the hyperbole from the journos on the Speedster was all written after they had been spammed by Porsche about improved throttle response. It’s all marketing spin in my view to pre-empt the tricky issue which is going to be that the RS cars with filters will sound a bit flat compared to the cars without the filter (including the cooking GT3s). It’s good that they have taken some weight out as that’s always good but none of them is particularly light.
The Speedster has been reviewed on Rennlist as surprisingly quiet and if the videos are anything to go by it does sound a bit muted. It still sounds good and it’s the ultimate first world problem but I think the days of an RS that blows the doors off as it goes by are gone.
Back on topic and forward to the 992, anyone that knows Porsche knows they will make the 992 a big step up from the 991 and looks like it’s not too far away.
It will be an awesome car but marginally distinguishable from the first batch imho. The WP is nice to have if that’s your thing but ITBs? Really? How much more responsive is the throttle exactly. Milliseconds?
Nobody has bothered to quantify it (strangely) and the hyperbole from the journos on the Speedster was all written after they had been spammed by Porsche about improved throttle response. It’s all marketing spin in my view to pre-empt the tricky issue which is going to be that the RS cars with filters will sound a bit flat compared to the cars without the filter (including the cooking GT3s). It’s good that they have taken some weight out as that’s always good but none of them is particularly light.
The Speedster has been reviewed on Rennlist as surprisingly quiet and if the videos are anything to go by it does sound a bit muted. It still sounds good and it’s the ultimate first world problem but I think the days of an RS that blows the doors off as it goes by are gone.
Back on topic and forward to the 992, anyone that knows Porsche knows they will make the 992 a big step up from the 991 and looks like it’s not too far away.
Taffy66 said:
The upcoming second batch RS is going to be approx 18Kg lighter than the first batch i've been informed..This is without the Weissach pack which is a further 29Kg lighter than the first batch RS and 991.2GT3 PDK CS..
Collectively this adds up to a total weight saving of 47Kg over the first batch RS..Add in ITBs and i'm pretty confident that it'll be a noticeable step up..
The 600LT is an interesting car as you can buy a beauty from Redline cars with the must have Senna seats for what i'm paying for my 991.2GT3 RS WP..Its probably what i'd have bought if my RS allocation hadn't come through..
Time will tell, the itb was a work around, Will it be better ? The speedsters slower but has more bhp ! And it’s not that much extra weight 20kg or so.Collectively this adds up to a total weight saving of 47Kg over the first batch RS..Add in ITBs and i'm pretty confident that it'll be a noticeable step up..
The 600LT is an interesting car as you can buy a beauty from Redline cars with the must have Senna seats for what i'm paying for my 991.2GT3 RS WP..Its probably what i'd have bought if my RS allocation hadn't come through..
The engine can do 560bhp with ease so why are we not getting that :-)
The weight saving again forced with the new exhaust so they could delete the side mufflers, they don’t need them as there is no sound lol, it’s a negative imo but Porsche put a positive spin on it quoting the weight saving. Most people into cars already saved that weight with aftermarket ti exhausts, with a sound not to be matched in the new cars.
Most of the WP weight is the ti cage and the wheels. Rather have the bbs wheels and no cage.
Think what could be done. The mag wheels are a rip off. The ti cage not race legal.
How much is the WP inc mag wheels ?
Give me bbs fir-r wheels, ti exhaust, race seats and the liteblox battery and unlock the 560bhp please. I see there are remaps for the 991.2 RS already to > 540bhp and more torque accross the Rev range. Throw in some proper 3 ways passives also please.
It’s great the gt dept got round the regs and saved the 520bhp and saved weight I agree.
But not good enough imo over what ferrari and macca,s are doing weight wise.
RS ring time is amazing though but 8 plus seconds of that are the R spec qually tires.
Makes the 7.12 stock GT3 pretty impressive on normal tyres and no big wings.
Looking forward to the Senna ring time to move the game on yet again.
Manthy are getting the times with bigger wings and proper suspension that’s it.
PASM still flawed or the racers.
600lt is 100kg less weight than the RS !
Juno said:
Sorry but this is probably going to get controversial!!!
I’m not digging at Taffy either but just this generalisation about weight.
For starters there’s no way I would be able to tell the difference between my incoming WP slightly lighter 3RS than the first batch cars,I’m just not that good as most others aren’t either
All this talk of cars like the RS and GT3’s being heavy etc and the same vica versa compared to the competition is total utter bks
On the road there is no way Joe Pubic Hare or Bugs Bunny his best mate is ever going to be able to tell you or feel 50KGS of weight difference across the platform and how it drastically effects performance and handling,I for sure couldn’t!!!
If you are so worried about weight particularly on track forget whether the reversing camera is going to kill your lap time and save some proper weight! Buy a bloody track car and more than half the weight saved with nothing but 100% analogue controls
SIMPLES Job done properly,as for the rest they are what they are and weigh what they weigh within legislative boundaries!
By the way I was looking at a 1973 RS Paperweight the other day. Million QUID or something and I can tell you the interest ran out there,forget the values and if the 73 car was the same as the following I doubt not one person on here would swap a GT3,GTR3RS,911R or 997 4.0RS for it
One thing I would like to see Porsche do is an interior like the 430 SCUD or Specialie, stuff the 5kgs Of weight saved but just the race inspired feel would be good!
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I agree the RS needs to look like a 430scud inside :-) it’s not RS enough. I’m not digging at Taffy either but just this generalisation about weight.
For starters there’s no way I would be able to tell the difference between my incoming WP slightly lighter 3RS than the first batch cars,I’m just not that good as most others aren’t either
All this talk of cars like the RS and GT3’s being heavy etc and the same vica versa compared to the competition is total utter b
ksOn the road there is no way Joe Pubic Hare or Bugs Bunny his best mate is ever going to be able to tell you or feel 50KGS of weight difference across the platform and how it drastically effects performance and handling,I for sure couldn’t!!!
If you are so worried about weight particularly on track forget whether the reversing camera is going to kill your lap time and save some proper weight! Buy a bloody track car and more than half the weight saved with nothing but 100% analogue controls
SIMPLES Job done properly,as for the rest they are what they are and weigh what they weigh within legislative boundaries!
By the way I was looking at a 1973 RS Paperweight the other day. Million QUID or something and I can tell you the interest ran out there,forget the values and if the 73 car was the same as the following I doubt not one person on here would swap a GT3,GTR3RS,911R or 997 4.0RS for it
One thing I would like to see Porsche do is an interior like the 430 SCUD or Specialie, stuff the 5kgs Of weight saved but just the race inspired feel would be good!
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Imo you start to really notice weight at 40kg's imo, the 600lt is 100 kg lighter !
On track having a 70kg person in my car feels really bad, it’s very noticeable.
But you cannot take out 40kg in one area so you have to take out 10kg in 4 area's and that’s easy with battery, seats, exhaust and wheels. That’s will save you over 40kg maybe a lot more.
My Spyders 1240 kg and it’s a very differ feel over cars with 100kg more. It gets addictive looking for weight loss. I,ll have it sub 1200 soon.
hunter 66 said:
Yes 911R , a mate of mine who is track day guy with no race experience , just lapped his Senna , faster than the Touring car pace at Knockhill... and it looks much better in the flesh as well , but kudos to hime to track it as a Production car record there
What are we expecting at the ring, with the fail of the P1 time, I am sure they want the record with a Senna sooner than later. Porsche911R said:
hunter 66 said:
Yes 911R , a mate of mine who is track day guy with no race experience , just lapped his Senna , faster than the Touring car pace at Knockhill... and it looks much better in the flesh as well , but kudos to hime to track it as a Production car record there
What are we expecting at the ring, with the fail of the P1 time, I am sure they want the record with a Senna sooner than later. Being 4 times the price of the GT2RS with 860kgs of downforce and the HP difference it should be at least 20 seconds quicker, anything less would be a failure IMO
Porsche911R said:
I agree the RS needs to look like a 430scud inside :-) it’s not RS enough.
Imo you start to really notice weight at 40kg's imo, the 600lt is 100 kg lighter !
On track having a 70kg person in my car feels really bad, it’s very noticeable.
But you cannot take out 40kg in one area so you have to take out 10kg in 4 area's and that’s easy with battery, seats, exhaust and wheels. That’s will save you over 40kg maybe a lot more.
My Spyders 1240 kg and it’s a very differ feel over cars with 100kg more. It gets addictive looking for weight loss. I,ll have it sub 1200 soon.
But why the never ending quest to save 40KGS on a road car,you won’t notice it on the roadImo you start to really notice weight at 40kg's imo, the 600lt is 100 kg lighter !
On track having a 70kg person in my car feels really bad, it’s very noticeable.
But you cannot take out 40kg in one area so you have to take out 10kg in 4 area's and that’s easy with battery, seats, exhaust and wheels. That’s will save you over 40kg maybe a lot more.
My Spyders 1240 kg and it’s a very differ feel over cars with 100kg more. It gets addictive looking for weight loss. I,ll have it sub 1200 soon.
If you want to save wright then:
Job done that’s about 685kg’s lighter than your 1250kgs Spyder and a very very different feel to anything road car wise,also a lot cheaper
Horses for courses and all that!
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