Financial planning for and during retirement
Financial planning for and during retirement
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WhiskyDisco

1,114 posts

93 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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2 GKC said:
rustyuk said:
You can retire at any age but can't access your pension funds until 58. Depending on your desire to retire earlier and tax situation maybe paying into an ISA would be a better solution.
Why 58?
State pension age minus 10 years

alscar

7,233 posts

232 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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mikeiow said:
alscar said:
Burrow01 said:
Does anyone know if you can start taking the cash from your SIPP including tax, and defer taking the tax free lump sum?
I believe it’s up to you depending on the scheme rules.
Purely out of interest though why would you defer the TF element ?
I’m pretty sure you *cannot* take *just* the non-TF element.
You either take a TFLS - sometimes worth doing whilst you still work, perhaps, which avoids triggering the MPAA….which leaves the rest of that TFLS portiin in drawdown mode to access later (as income, attracting your rate of income tax on);
….or you take some cash, 25% of which is tax free.
As I said it may depend on the scheme / provider rules.
I certainly discussed it with my FA when I was lining up my ducks.
Logically you are right but pension rules seem pretty complicated sometimes.

alscar

7,233 posts

232 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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Burrow01 said:
I am looking to start taking the pension from the SIPP next tax year, and am lucky enough to be limiting myself to topping up my other income sources to the 20% bracket limit.

This tax year I will be under the 20% limit, and was looking to take out just enough to take me up to the limit, to max out the bracket.

Undecided about how to actually take the TFLS, and so was looking to defer that decision until the next tax year
Yup get that.
You could of course still take the TFC now ( if you “ have to “ ) and invest that elsewhere but otherwise if allowed to leave it in then buys you breathing space.
Be interested to see what your provider says about this.

craig1912

4,211 posts

131 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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alscar said:
Yup get that.
You could of course still take the TFC now ( if you “ have to “ ) and invest that elsewhere
why would you take the TFC to invest elsewhere when it can stay invested within a pension wrapper?

dingg

4,402 posts

238 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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craig1912 said:
hy would you take the TFC to invest elsewhere when it can stay invested within a pension wrapper?
Isa

dingg

4,402 posts

238 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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craig1912 said:
You're Craig Chapman aicmfp

alscar

7,233 posts

232 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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craig1912 said:
hy would you take the TFC to invest elsewhere when it can stay invested within a pension wrapper?
Depends on the reasons behind taking TFC but you might put the proceeds into ISA’s or IIB’s or tax relief schemes.
All depends on how your Pension is viewed and whether part of your overall wealth pot or stand alone and what your overall future financial position is like.

craig1912

4,211 posts

131 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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dingg said:
You're Craig Chapman aicmfp
Nope but as I said it might be of use to a couple of the other posters, it’s free and nothing lost in giving it a go?

Edited by craig1912 on Friday 15th November 10:48

craig1912

4,211 posts

131 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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dingg said:
Isa
What are the advantages of putting the TFC in an ISA rather than leave it in a pension wrapper? I can’t think of any.

Burrow01

1,974 posts

211 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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craig1912 said:
dingg said:
Isa
What are the advantages of putting the TFC in an ISA rather than leave it in a pension wrapper? I can’t think of any.
Utilising this years ISA allowance would be one reason - move cash from one tax free wrapper to another

Burrow01

1,974 posts

211 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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alscar said:
Burrow01 said:
I am looking to start taking the pension from the SIPP next tax year, and am lucky enough to be limiting myself to topping up my other income sources to the 20% bracket limit.

This tax year I will be under the 20% limit, and was looking to take out just enough to take me up to the limit, to max out the bracket.

Undecided about how to actually take the TFLS, and so was looking to defer that decision until the next tax year
Yup get that.
You could of course still take the TFC now ( if you “ have to “ ) and invest that elsewhere but otherwise if allowed to leave it in then buys you breathing space.
Be interested to see what your provider says about this.
Yep was thinking that might be the way forward if they say no to not taking the TFLS, ISA allowance will be maxed out for this year already, but the tax free amount might not be worth worrying to much about.

craig1912

4,211 posts

131 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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Burrow01 said:
Utilising this years ISA allowance would be one reason - move cash from one tax free wrapper to another
Not being awkward but what difference does it make if you don’t use the allowance? Your cash is still tax free, still invested and sits outside your estate (until changes take place next year).

Salted_Peanut

1,778 posts

73 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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Y not said:
a free financial foundation course that I have recommended to all of our younger family members. Because school education in the uk is pi$ poor at setting people up for real life.
Could you share a link to the course?

I agree entirely about financial education at school.

dingg

4,402 posts

238 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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craig1912 said:
dingg said:
Isa
What are the advantages of putting the TFC in an ISA rather than leave it in a pension wrapper? I can’t think of any.
Hedging the chance she may reduce the tfls

2 GKC

2,205 posts

124 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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WhiskyDisco said:
State pension age minus 10 years
I can’t see that anywhere?

nordboy

2,617 posts

69 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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Following this as next year I'm going to be 55 and (hopefully) finishing in my current job.

To be honest, I have no real idea how to manage the future financials. Definitely going to have to continue working as my 'pot' probably isn't going to be enough. Especially need to think about how to invest the lump sum i'll be taking. So following with interest.

Burrow01

1,974 posts

211 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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craig1912 said:
Burrow01 said:
Utilising this years ISA allowance would be one reason - move cash from one tax free wrapper to another
Not being awkward but what difference does it make if you don’t use the allowance? Your cash is still tax free, still invested and sits outside your estate (until changes take place next year).
You have moved tax free cash into a taxable (Capital Gains / Interest) environment if you do not transfer to an ISA

craig1912

4,211 posts

131 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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Burrow01 said:
You have moved tax free cash into a taxable (Capital Gains / Interest) environment if you do not transfer to an ISA
Not sure I understand your point. I’m saying keep it in a pension wrapper no need to transfer it anywhere.

Wombat3

14,192 posts

225 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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Great to see a thread on this. There a bunch of conundrums that have emerged now between the balance of where to take income from SIPs vs ISA vs GIA etc and then also the balance between fixed income and equities.

Even a global tracker is heavily skewed these days , such are the values of the Mag. 7. The UK market looks unlikely to be a great place to invest with the recent anti business behaviour in Westminster.

mikeiow

7,420 posts

149 months

Friday 15th November 2024
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2 GKC said:
WhiskyDisco said:
State pension age minus 10 years
I can’t see that anywhere?
Where have you looked?
https://www.google.com/search?q=pension+age+access...