Best Wifi enabled thermostat
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I’ve had LightwaveRF gear for 4 years and have just ripped it all out today because it’s just too badly behaved to rely on. We played with Nest and Hive at the time we fitted it; we sold on the Hive gear (even though we really liked it - long back story about a business relationship with LightwaveRF) but kept the 3rd gen Nest kit for rainy days. Cue the rainy day today... I’ve reinstalled Nest and have kept the LightwaveRF lights and sockets so now have two boxes connected to the router. Both work through Google Home so we’ll live with that for a while.
TLDR - the LightwaveRF heating kit is carp.
TLDR - the LightwaveRF heating kit is carp.
If anyone's thinking about getting a Drayton Wiser it's on special offer on Amazon today only.
Single zone heating & hot water £74.99
Dual zone heating & hot water £99.99
TRVs £34.99
Range extender smart plug £20.99
Oddly the heating only system is still £109.99
I doubt it will be cheaper on Black Friday.
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Single zone heating & hot water £74.99
Dual zone heating & hot water £99.99
TRVs £34.99
Range extender smart plug £20.99
Oddly the heating only system is still £109.99
I doubt it will be cheaper on Black Friday.
Ends in 16 hours
essayer said:
Press the button a couple of times, the screen says the zone name
Then press and hold for 15 seconds
Should clear it.
Then delete the zone from the controller and recreate
From what I found on forums, this is what I was expecting. I have now achieved a complete reset. I did this by:-Then press and hold for 15 seconds
Should clear it.
Then delete the zone from the controller and recreate
Unbinding hot water and boiler controlled by holding for 15 seconds +
Turn of power in boiler room
Unbind each TRV as you suggest
Remove top disconnect battery connect
Have a cup of tea for 15mins, or so
Reset controller turn on power to boiler
Rebind boiler controls
Set up zones - as per initial installation
Bind each TRV
Set up parameters for controls and TRVs.
I found that trying to jump any of these steps brought problems - especially with the TRVs
It’s not something I would attempt again in winter.
Trustmeimadoctor said:
You need to press the button once then again and hold. I have some trv's with dodgy buttons so it can be a pain
Trust me I am not a doctor, but this is just the instruction in the manual, but on 3 of my 6 valves it just brought up the menu at select language.I eventually worked out that by going to exit and then I could unbind, but then it would not rebind without disconnecting the battery tab. It would bind, say the hall radiator, rather than bedroom 1.
I could not find anything like my instructions above on any other forum.
Finally taken the plunge with Wiser, with the amazon deal yesterday.
Ordered the 3 zone kit (2 x CH + 1 x HW) and 10 TRV's for downstairs. Another 11 TRV's for upstairs are coming in a week, but I'll cancel them if I'm not happy with how the system performs.
Had a few glitches initially - the first thermostat I tried to bind would not do so. However, after messing around for 10 mins and then pulling the batteries and trying again, it was fine. The other thermostat and all 10 TRV's bound easily enough.
I was concerned about signal problems, so had ordered 3 range extenders, but they wont be delivered till later today. However, despite the furthest downstairs radiator being over 16m away and going through 2 walls, so far it has been fine.
A couple of early observations:
1. The TRV temperature seems to be at least a degree higher than the wall thermostat.
2. The wall thermostat, annoyingly, switches it's display off after a few seconds, similar to Hive.
3. The wiser heat hub seems to have some logic with regards to how often it fires the boiler. I need to spend some time looking at this, but if I have a single zone calling for heat - despite it not reaching temperature, sometimes the heat hub turns the boiler off (note - im not talking about the boiler cycling here). I've not enabled Comfort or Eco modes, so this must be default logic.
I'll post updates as I evaluate the system. So far, though, I'd say whatever teething issues they had initially with setup and signal, have been resolved (aside from that initial glitch I had!).
Ordered the 3 zone kit (2 x CH + 1 x HW) and 10 TRV's for downstairs. Another 11 TRV's for upstairs are coming in a week, but I'll cancel them if I'm not happy with how the system performs.
Had a few glitches initially - the first thermostat I tried to bind would not do so. However, after messing around for 10 mins and then pulling the batteries and trying again, it was fine. The other thermostat and all 10 TRV's bound easily enough.
I was concerned about signal problems, so had ordered 3 range extenders, but they wont be delivered till later today. However, despite the furthest downstairs radiator being over 16m away and going through 2 walls, so far it has been fine.
A couple of early observations:
1. The TRV temperature seems to be at least a degree higher than the wall thermostat.
2. The wall thermostat, annoyingly, switches it's display off after a few seconds, similar to Hive.
3. The wiser heat hub seems to have some logic with regards to how often it fires the boiler. I need to spend some time looking at this, but if I have a single zone calling for heat - despite it not reaching temperature, sometimes the heat hub turns the boiler off (note - im not talking about the boiler cycling here). I've not enabled Comfort or Eco modes, so this must be default logic.
I'll post updates as I evaluate the system. So far, though, I'd say whatever teething issues they had initially with setup and signal, have been resolved (aside from that initial glitch I had!).
fezster said:
Finally taken the plunge with Wiser, with the amazon deal yesterday.
A couple of early observations:
3. The wiser heat hub seems to have some logic with regards to how often it fires the boiler. I need to spend some time looking at this, but if I have a single zone calling for heat - despite it not reaching temperature, sometimes the heat hub turns the boiler off (note - im not talking about the boiler cycling here). I've not enabled Comfort or Eco modes, so this must be default logic.
I have the Wiser system as well - been running one Hub since last winter and a second Hub since the end of this summer (I need 2 Hubs due to how my system is configured). It seems that one Hub stays on for a lot longer than the other Hub, to the point where I've contacted Drayton tech support a couple of times as I would have thought they'd operate pretty much identical (being identical units on the same firmware). Looking at the heat profile, it seems that it is heating to my requirements, but it's strange how it cycles the command to the boiler differently between the units. Of course, trouble shooting this is made more difficult by different TRVs calling for heat at different time, so it's not a simple case of directly comparing one system to the other.A couple of early observations:
3. The wiser heat hub seems to have some logic with regards to how often it fires the boiler. I need to spend some time looking at this, but if I have a single zone calling for heat - despite it not reaching temperature, sometimes the heat hub turns the boiler off (note - im not talking about the boiler cycling here). I've not enabled Comfort or Eco modes, so this must be default logic.
I had asked Drayton Tech what the difference between the Gas, Oil and Electric boiler selections is (mine is none of those) so I could try and pick the best one for my system. Basically I'm just switching a water pump that then flows my thermal store hot water around my rads..
Haven't read all the thread (but getting through it). Am planning ahead for my house. How do these things work with underfloor heating? Is there something which can control individual rooms if they are all underfloor, or can it just do a zone like an entire floor? Any experience from PHers?
I'm referred to wet heating, not electric too.
I'm probably going to have the middle floor of my townhouse with UFH, unsure if I'll bother with ground or top floor as they are fairly conventional rooms/layout so served OK with radiators. But I'd still like the possibility of converting in the future with smart control.
I'm referred to wet heating, not electric too.
I'm probably going to have the middle floor of my townhouse with UFH, unsure if I'll bother with ground or top floor as they are fairly conventional rooms/layout so served OK with radiators. But I'd still like the possibility of converting in the future with smart control.
fezster said:
3. The wiser heat hub seems to have some logic with regards to how often it fires the boiler. I need to spend some time looking at this, but if I have a single zone calling for heat - despite it not reaching temperature, sometimes the heat hub turns the boiler off (note - im not talking about the boiler cycling here). I've not enabled Comfort or Eco modes, so this must be default logic.
Forgot to update this thread. Should have been obvious, but this is due to TPI, so quite normal.I've also now setup domoticz and begun charting my usage patterns. Thread on how to get this to work is here, for those interested:
https://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=34&...
Xaero said:
Haven't read all the thread (but getting through it). Am planning ahead for my house. How do these things work with underfloor heating? Is there something which can control individual rooms if they are all underfloor, or can it just do a zone like an entire floor? Any experience from PHers?
I have Evohome controlling three rooms heated with UFH (six circuits) alongside conventional radiators in other zones and it works well. I use the HCC80 ufh controller.You need to ensure you have something blending UFH feed water down to a suitable temperature, as Evohome does not have any way to detect floor temp - it will happily pump CH feed water through the circuits until the room temp approaches the setpoint. Hopefully whoever plans the UFH for you will consider this.
essayer said:
Xaero said:
Haven't read all the thread (but getting through it). Am planning ahead for my house. How do these things work with underfloor heating? Is there something which can control individual rooms if they are all underfloor, or can it just do a zone like an entire floor? Any experience from PHers?
I have Evohome controlling three rooms heated with UFH (six circuits) alongside conventional radiators in other zones and it works well. I use the HCC80 ufh controller.You need to ensure you have something blending UFH feed water down to a suitable temperature, as Evohome does not have any way to detect floor temp - it will happily pump CH feed water through the circuits until the room temp approaches the setpoint. Hopefully whoever plans the UFH for you will consider this.
I'm looking at DIYing this, possibly next year, so trying to plan ahead as much as possible. Shame the evohome rad thermostats are so ugly compared to competitors, but it might be the system I go for.
Sure, you can install thermostats in each room and once you've set up the schedule, you can override from the controller unit, from the mobile app or from the temperature sensors in each room.
Hopefully with UFH you won't need to override too often, you should just set and forget - it takes a long time for a room to come up to temperature and by the time you've turned it back down again the floor will continue to give out heat
I don't think we've ever needed to in three years - rooms with rads are a different matter
Hopefully with UFH you won't need to override too often, you should just set and forget - it takes a long time for a room to come up to temperature and by the time you've turned it back down again the floor will continue to give out heat
I don't think we've ever needed to in three years - rooms with rads are a different matter
ker!)A heads up that Amazon have a deal on 4 x Tado TRVs today. £134
https://www.amazon.co.uk/tado%C2%B0-Radiator-Therm...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/tado%C2%B0-Radiator-Therm...
Tado just messaged to say I can have 30% off their new app, just £14 to upgrade everyone on my home setup.
Do I want to do this?
It says I can continue to to use automated geofencing. Are they going to remove that from my existing setup? Are there any nasties in the new setup that mean they'll extort more money from me down the line?
Ta.
Do I want to do this?
It says I can continue to to use automated geofencing. Are they going to remove that from my existing setup? Are there any nasties in the new setup that mean they'll extort more money from me down the line?
Ta.
Some really good evohome stuff popping on eBay lately if anyone's interested.
Here's a whole house setup including underfloor heating hc80 and multiple sensors
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
Opentherm bridge for evohome
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
And mobile access kit to make a y87 internet enabled
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?...
Hr92uk actuators remain as expensive as ever second hand though.
Here's a whole house setup including underfloor heating hc80 and multiple sensors
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
Opentherm bridge for evohome
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
And mobile access kit to make a y87 internet enabled
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?...
Hr92uk actuators remain as expensive as ever second hand though.
Xaero said:
Haven't read all the thread (but getting through it). Am planning ahead for my house. How do these things work with underfloor heating? Is there something which can control individual rooms if they are all underfloor, or can it just do a zone like an entire floor? Any experience from PHers?
I'm referred to wet heating, not electric too.
I'm probably going to have the middle floor of my townhouse with UFH, unsure if I'll bother with ground or top floor as they are fairly conventional rooms/layout so served OK with radiators. But I'd still like the possibility of converting in the future with smart control.
3 years ago I installed a Heatmiser system on all 3 floors, a plumber installed the pipes but would not do the electrics. App is easy to use and works really well, each room is a “Zone” and has its own thermostat. I had to design my own wiring centre to take the signals from each floor to the boiler, a little complicated but basic electrics. I'm referred to wet heating, not electric too.
I'm probably going to have the middle floor of my townhouse with UFH, unsure if I'll bother with ground or top floor as they are fairly conventional rooms/layout so served OK with radiators. But I'd still like the possibility of converting in the future with smart control.
paulrockliffe said:
Tado just messaged to say I can have 30% off their new app, just £14 to upgrade everyone on my home setup.
Do I want to do this?
It says I can continue to to use automated geofencing. Are they going to remove that from my existing setup? Are there any nasties in the new setup that mean they'll extort more money from me down the line?
Ta.
I am wondering the same thing and won’t be pleased if Tado remove/limit the automated geofencing functionality - given this is their main differentiator. Do I want to do this?
It says I can continue to to use automated geofencing. Are they going to remove that from my existing setup? Are there any nasties in the new setup that mean they'll extort more money from me down the line?
Ta.
I currently don’t see the benefit of ‘upgrading’ and I also see mention of a monthly subscription to use Auto Assist which includes the automated geofencing.
It’s all very confusing and stopping me from buying another smart thermostat and Tado TRV’s for an extension we’re doing.
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