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brianashley said:
Try calling Pimlicos etc. They want a card in the machine before they even start work . And soon you will not be getting gas or electricity on "credit" its all going to be PAYG
But are they actually charging you up front, perhaps a call out charge? Or is that so that they can charge you once the work is complete and assure payment? Lots of large companies take card details before an item or service is provided, car hire companies spring to mind as standard practice.You seem to be discussing different types of companies and industry standards that aren't really comparable to the initial scenario.
Alucidnation said:
Harry Flashman said:
Of course, m'lud. Sorry, m'lud.
Who is this joker anyway? Some sort of electrician? He sounds just like my electrician, who was a total, utter cocksmoker.
He won't be getting the retention I kept over. Because he is an unreliable, shifty, cack-handed git who somehow thought that what he did for a living was complex dark magic.
Easily, easily replaced with someone much, much better, not to mention cheaper.
The cock.
Says more about you to be honest, however, glad you have got someone else that you can control better.Who is this joker anyway? Some sort of electrician? He sounds just like my electrician, who was a total, utter cocksmoker.
He won't be getting the retention I kept over. Because he is an unreliable, shifty, cack-handed git who somehow thought that what he did for a living was complex dark magic.
Easily, easily replaced with someone much, much better, not to mention cheaper.
The cock.
ladderino said:
Alucidnation said:
Harry Flashman said:
Of course, m'lud. Sorry, m'lud.
Who is this joker anyway? Some sort of electrician? He sounds just like my electrician, who was a total, utter cocksmoker.
He won't be getting the retention I kept over. Because he is an unreliable, shifty, cack-handed git who somehow thought that what he did for a living was complex dark magic.
Easily, easily replaced with someone much, much better, not to mention cheaper.
The cock.
Says more about you to be honest, however, glad you have got someone else that you can control better.Who is this joker anyway? Some sort of electrician? He sounds just like my electrician, who was a total, utter cocksmoker.
He won't be getting the retention I kept over. Because he is an unreliable, shifty, cack-handed git who somehow thought that what he did for a living was complex dark magic.
Easily, easily replaced with someone much, much better, not to mention cheaper.
The cock.
No he wasn't!
Not as bad as the plumber, who had done work for me before and I trusted, so gave an advance to fit the boiler. 2 weeks later, no boiler.
He'd decided to use the money to go to South Africa for the summer.
Took a solicitor' letter to get my cash back.
Both Scumbags were British. The Poles who replaced them have never let me down. I am in fact spending today with one of them, Andrej, painting and decorating one of the downstairs rooms.
Not as bad as the plumber, who had done work for me before and I trusted, so gave an advance to fit the boiler. 2 weeks later, no boiler.
He'd decided to use the money to go to South Africa for the summer.
Took a solicitor' letter to get my cash back.
Both Scumbags were British. The Poles who replaced them have never let me down. I am in fact spending today with one of them, Andrej, painting and decorating one of the downstairs rooms.
I think most tradesmen have a superiority complex, that tricks them into thinking they are irreplaceable, I.E knocking off on jobs etc.
They think to quote Mr Flashman that they know the "Dark Arts" when in reality they can be replaced by the next mid 40's skinhead who doesn't have a degree.
Your lucky we let you call them "trades"
They think to quote Mr Flashman that they know the "Dark Arts" when in reality they can be replaced by the next mid 40's skinhead who doesn't have a degree.
Your lucky we let you call them "trades"
p1stonhead said:
Some Gump said:
p1stonhead said:
No one with class would ever say they 'roll with the best end of the market'.
It's a turkey-ham roll. Sainsburys, not netto. Top end of the market. get over yourself.
A f**king hundred and f**king forty f**king quid! In one f**king basket!That's three trolley's worth in Aldi!
But Waitrose do give you free coffee...
TheLuke said:
I think most tradesmen have a superiority complex
Electricians are probably the worst for that. Closely followed by 'Heating Engineers'. There does seem to be a bit of a hierarchy on building sites when it comes to this sort of thing.This (NSFW) video explains a lot: https://youtu.be/TYfecnhKvjo
Disclaimer: I play with electricity for a living, but not on building sites or in people's houses. Sod all that lark! This is my work mug:
I don't get out of bed for less than a cup of tea.
Edited by Vroom101 on Saturday 22 April 16:31
Agree , some of the trades do form a rank system. Thats why I tend to stay away from any "site" work .Firstly many are robbing scum. Those expensive new 18v batteries etc, swapped over for 3/4 dead ones ."must have picked them up by mistake " when you show them them your engraved initials !
But as mentioned , its the quality and level of music etc . I dont want all that "Cafe banter" I need either soft radio 6 music and to get on creating quality work
But as mentioned , its the quality and level of music etc . I dont want all that "Cafe banter" I need either soft radio 6 music and to get on creating quality work
18v? I would have though a man of your talents would need the power of 24v+.
Can you post some pics of your portfolio (the non dodgy money ones where camera was allowed), as I am interested in seeing it. Plus there are a few wealthy people on here who may be impressed enough by them that you will already be over the threshold and using the onsite portaloo.
Can you post some pics of your portfolio (the non dodgy money ones where camera was allowed), as I am interested in seeing it. Plus there are a few wealthy people on here who may be impressed enough by them that you will already be over the threshold and using the onsite portaloo.
hyphen said:
18v? I would have though a man of your talents would need the power of 24v+.
Can you post some pics of your portfolio (the non dodgy money ones where camera was allowed), as I am interested in seeing it. Plus there are a few wealthy people on here who may be impressed enough by them that you will already be over the threshold and using the onsite portaloo.
are you a mug ? I have work published in "World of Interiors and Country life and Living" you want to see them, buy some back issues . Can you post some pics of your portfolio (the non dodgy money ones where camera was allowed), as I am interested in seeing it. Plus there are a few wealthy people on here who may be impressed enough by them that you will already be over the threshold and using the onsite portaloo.
brianashley said:
hyphen said:
18v? I would have though a man of your talents would need the power of 24v+.
Can you post some pics of your portfolio (the non dodgy money ones where camera was allowed), as I am interested in seeing it. Plus there are a few wealthy people on here who may be impressed enough by them that you will already be over the threshold and using the onsite portaloo.
are you a mug ? I have work published in "World of Interiors and Country life and Living" you want to see them, buy some back issues . Can you post some pics of your portfolio (the non dodgy money ones where camera was allowed), as I am interested in seeing it. Plus there are a few wealthy people on here who may be impressed enough by them that you will already be over the threshold and using the onsite portaloo.
brianashley said:
are you a mug ? I have work published in "World of Interiors and Country life and Living" you want to see them, buy some back issues .
How would we know it's your work? Presumably there are just some random pictures of houses and kitchens and stuff, or are there actually articles about you or something! This thread makes me a bit worried about life after Brexit, if there are trades people with your attitude around now, imagine what it will be like with less of the cheaper foreign workers around. Hopefully we'll still let some in, as going by this thread, we still need loads.
Dealing with a good tradesman is normally an absolute pleasure, and I always make sure they know how appreciative I am, by giving them a few quid extra or a crate of lager or similar.
This thread did remind me of that cretin I employed to do my garden a year ago. Local bloke, well recommended in a local community Facebook page. All he needed to do was put up 5 fence panels, lay 8sq m of patio and lay 15 sq m of turf. He quoted me 600 labour only iabout three days work. Ok say I, and we agree a start date a week later.
Matey boy doesn't turn up. I should have sacked him off. We agree he will start 2 days later. He turns up at midday. Ok I thought in for a penny, and he sets off on his work.mstarts moaning that he under quoted on the job because there is more hardcore for hi, to take up for the lawn than he initially thought. I said don't worry about it - just pile it up and I'll take it to the dump.
Next day - he doesn't turn up. I call him, no response. He then gets him touch saying he'll be over tomorrow. Doesn't turn up.
Unfortunately the wife had given him some money on account, wasn't a lot. Anyway, he doesn't contact us or anything, there is sand all over the garden and I don't have a fence on one side. I send him an email saying your services are no longer needed, you best bring us the money back then you can collect your tools.
He is apologetic, says he will come over tomorrow with half the money. I said you can do that but your tools will stay where they are. He cuts up nasty now saying I'm being unreasonable. I tell him he hasn't seen anything yet,
Radio silence for 2 weeks. He texts me saying his phone was cut off. And he would like to come over tomorrow. He doesn't turn up, but does a week or so later . I think we are a kin the on now.
In the meanwhile I must confess I lost my rag with him and outed him to the local Facebook group where he gets most of his work from. He isn't happy and threatens to sue me. I tell him to go ahead if he wants to.
Eventually turns up, collects his tools and gives my wife the money. I didn't deal with him when he came over because I didn't want to get into a slanging match with him.
What I don't understand, and never will, Is all he had to do was turn up for another day or so, and it would have been done. Instead, he f
ks about causing everyone aggro, for no real reason. I simply don't get it. how on earth he thought he could run a business like that, I do not know.
I was derided and applauded in equal terms on here for my actions, but I really do think I acted reasonably. It was of course my fault I instructed him , he wasn't the cheapest quote, nor was he the most expensive. I just don't understand how people earn their living like that.
Professionals deserve good pay and respect and I will give both. Chancers deserve to be fked about and embarrassed in front of the community, which is what I did.
This thread did remind me of that cretin I employed to do my garden a year ago. Local bloke, well recommended in a local community Facebook page. All he needed to do was put up 5 fence panels, lay 8sq m of patio and lay 15 sq m of turf. He quoted me 600 labour only iabout three days work. Ok say I, and we agree a start date a week later.
Matey boy doesn't turn up. I should have sacked him off. We agree he will start 2 days later. He turns up at midday. Ok I thought in for a penny, and he sets off on his work.mstarts moaning that he under quoted on the job because there is more hardcore for hi, to take up for the lawn than he initially thought. I said don't worry about it - just pile it up and I'll take it to the dump.
Next day - he doesn't turn up. I call him, no response. He then gets him touch saying he'll be over tomorrow. Doesn't turn up.
Unfortunately the wife had given him some money on account, wasn't a lot. Anyway, he doesn't contact us or anything, there is sand all over the garden and I don't have a fence on one side. I send him an email saying your services are no longer needed, you best bring us the money back then you can collect your tools.
He is apologetic, says he will come over tomorrow with half the money. I said you can do that but your tools will stay where they are. He cuts up nasty now saying I'm being unreasonable. I tell him he hasn't seen anything yet,
Radio silence for 2 weeks. He texts me saying his phone was cut off. And he would like to come over tomorrow. He doesn't turn up, but does a week or so later . I think we are a kin the on now.
In the meanwhile I must confess I lost my rag with him and outed him to the local Facebook group where he gets most of his work from. He isn't happy and threatens to sue me. I tell him to go ahead if he wants to.
Eventually turns up, collects his tools and gives my wife the money. I didn't deal with him when he came over because I didn't want to get into a slanging match with him.
What I don't understand, and never will, Is all he had to do was turn up for another day or so, and it would have been done. Instead, he f
ks about causing everyone aggro, for no real reason. I simply don't get it. how on earth he thought he could run a business like that, I do not know.I was derided and applauded in equal terms on here for my actions, but I really do think I acted reasonably. It was of course my fault I instructed him , he wasn't the cheapest quote, nor was he the most expensive. I just don't understand how people earn their living like that.
Professionals deserve good pay and respect and I will give both. Chancers deserve to be f
ked about and embarrassed in front of the community, which is what I did.facebook is very dangerous imo for work recommendations. on our local page something similar is now going on.
Blokes a fencer, does a decent job, is very cheap but has now decided he's a paving and landscaping company. he's never done it before and it shows, his work is either shocking or diy standard at best.
People seem to love him, he relentlessly recommends lots and lots of other businesses and friends who in turn recommend him, usually with something like "100% the best in the area, the only person i'd consider using' which is bks as they have never used him. his fencing is decent but the paving is terrible.
the thing is people believe it and are having him do work for them. ill just sit back and wait as I've seen similar happen before.
he's still in the friends and family work stage but he's going to fall flat on his face when he starts working for people who aren't. The work is a joke, in one of his pictures he's laid slabs on top of sleepers.......should last well that one mate
its a shame as he's actually a really nice lad and does work very hard.
Blokes a fencer, does a decent job, is very cheap but has now decided he's a paving and landscaping company. he's never done it before and it shows, his work is either shocking or diy standard at best.
People seem to love him, he relentlessly recommends lots and lots of other businesses and friends who in turn recommend him, usually with something like "100% the best in the area, the only person i'd consider using' which is b
ks as they have never used him. his fencing is decent but the paving is terrible. the thing is people believe it and are having him do work for them. ill just sit back and wait as I've seen similar happen before.
he's still in the friends and family work stage but he's going to fall flat on his face when he starts working for people who aren't. The work is a joke, in one of his pictures he's laid slabs on top of sleepers.......should last well that one mate
its a shame as he's actually a really nice lad and does work very hard.p1stonhead said:
Where are these places supposed to be then?
I work in super prime development and have many clients who are billionaires with seriously intense security.
No where has even come close to taking an hour to go through security procedures. Not even close.
So unless you are working at Buckingham Palace or the Pentagon, im calling bullst.
I can get into an MOD nuclear missile store with an 18 tonne truck in under 15 minutes, even when on severe threat level. Perhaps I have an honest face.I work in super prime development and have many clients who are billionaires with seriously intense security.
No where has even come close to taking an hour to go through security procedures. Not even close.
So unless you are working at Buckingham Palace or the Pentagon, im calling bulls
t.Edited by p1stonhead on Friday 21st April 14:54
m3jappa said:
facebook is very dangerous imo for work recommendations. on our local page something similar is now going on.
Blokes a fencer, does a decent job, is very cheap but has now decided he's a paving and landscaping company. he's never done it before and it shows, his work is either shocking or diy standard at best.
People seem to love him, he relentlessly recommends lots and lots of other businesses and friends who in turn recommend him, usually with something like "100% the best in the area, the only person i'd consider using' which is bks as they have never used him. his fencing is decent but the paving is terrible.
the thing is people believe it and are having him do work for them. ill just sit back and wait as I've seen similar happen before.
he's still in the friends and family work stage but he's going to fall flat on his face when he starts working for people who aren't. The work is a joke, in one of his pictures he's laid slabs on top of sleepers.......should last well that one mate its a shame as he's actually a really nice lad and does work very hard.
Not just Facebook, but in general.Blokes a fencer, does a decent job, is very cheap but has now decided he's a paving and landscaping company. he's never done it before and it shows, his work is either shocking or diy standard at best.
People seem to love him, he relentlessly recommends lots and lots of other businesses and friends who in turn recommend him, usually with something like "100% the best in the area, the only person i'd consider using' which is b
ks as they have never used him. his fencing is decent but the paving is terrible. the thing is people believe it and are having him do work for them. ill just sit back and wait as I've seen similar happen before.
he's still in the friends and family work stage but he's going to fall flat on his face when he starts working for people who aren't. The work is a joke, in one of his pictures he's laid slabs on top of sleepers.......should last well that one mate
its a shame as he's actually a really nice lad and does work very hard.Lots of people will just recommend a mate for the sake of it, or someone that's done work for them and it was cheap and they think it's a good job. A lot of people can't tell a good job from a bad one, and some people don't care, they just want it done at a passable standard for as cheaply as possible.
Then if there is a problem with someone who has been recommended, it's easy to just say, "oh, he was perfect for us, must have been having an off day" etc etc.
As you say, once he gets out of that bubble, he'll soon realise. The work might look passable for now, but it'll show in time.
Slagathore said:
Not just Facebook, but in general.
Lots of people will just recommend a mate for the sake of it, or someone that's done work for them and it was cheap and they think it's a good job. A lot of people can't tell a good job from a bad one, and some people don't care, they just want it done at a passable standard for as cheaply as possible.
Then if there is a problem with someone who has been recommended, it's easy to just say, "oh, he was perfect for us, must have been having an off day" etc etc.
As you say, once he gets out of that bubble, he'll soon realise. The work might look passable for now, but it'll show in time.
Not if he learns how to do it properly in the meantime.Lots of people will just recommend a mate for the sake of it, or someone that's done work for them and it was cheap and they think it's a good job. A lot of people can't tell a good job from a bad one, and some people don't care, they just want it done at a passable standard for as cheaply as possible.
Then if there is a problem with someone who has been recommended, it's easy to just say, "oh, he was perfect for us, must have been having an off day" etc etc.
As you say, once he gets out of that bubble, he'll soon realise. The work might look passable for now, but it'll show in time.
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