Painting internal woodwork -argh!

[Cupramax]

I have the not insignificant job of repainting all the skirting, doors frames, doors, banisters etc etc in my house. The whole lot was done by a "professional" decorator when i moved in 6 years ago and all the gloss work is now more yellow than the magnolia on the walls

Whats the current PH experts opinions on what paint doesnt go yellow after five minutes, i have several rooms which dont get a lot of sunlight due to a chuffing great oak tree at the front of the house, which no doubt hasnt helped.

Any suggestion on whats best to use appreciated.

[Piersman2]

Don't blame the decorator, blame the paint manufacturers and regs around what is allowed in white gloss paint. It's a fairly modern issue that white gloss no longer stays white, unless it's in direct, decent sunlight. It's turns a murky yellow otherwise. Like yours has.

The best advice theses days seems to be to NOT use gloss anymore if you want white to stay white, but some kind of eggshell type paint that I'm sure the professionals will be along to tell you about fairly soon.

[olimain]

Use water-based and it shouldn't go white

[anonymous-user]

I recently did this to my staircase, landing, hallway etc. The paint everywhere except the middle landing (in front of a large window) was nicotine yellow. We stripped it (took DAYS!) and painted with eggshell PBW.

If you want gloss, I'd recommend going brown, like a dark wood stain. It will hold it's colour a lot better, and if you replace the carpet with light colours, the contrast is rather nice. (If you go brown with a dark carpet, then FFS add stair lights - before we swapped, the stairs down to the cellar were a deathtrap.)

[brianashley]

olimain said:

Use water-based and it shouldn't go white

This .

Dulux Diamond is a good basic quality Eggshell paint .Mix in a fraction of matt varnish (Both Acrylic ) to "flatten it if its too shiny .
Next up the ladder will be "Little Greene" I think this is one of the best you Can buy .Mylands is very nice also , but harder to work with to get a excellent quality finish.

Then for the very best , But again, you need to know how to "work the paint " will be Sikkens / Tikkurila range paint .


Holman paint in Swindon is fast becoming one of the best suppliers in the UK. The £300 plus a day painters use them a lot .


Oil paints now due to EU regs are becoming Rubbish. They dont dry well. they are not as hard when dry as a good Acrylic .

Edited by brianashley on Monday 24th April 16:21

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

Johnstone's aqua water based gloss is the best stuff. No yellowing at all and goes on well.

[JONSCZ]

Have a look through this thread
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
- I added my recommendations for this stuff
http://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Truewhite-Satin-Pai...

[brianashley]

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

Johnstone's aqua water based gloss is the best stuff. No yellowing at all and goes on well.

Rare (Less than 5% ) I ever get asked for Gloss . But Have used the above .And its a nice Gloss . But you need a good brush and i find it needs a fraction longer to dry than some people think. Morning and early evening coats possible,Yes. But 3 in a day No ! And i dont think any water based paint should be re coated within 6 hours .

[Jonesy23]

Funny, I found the Johnsons aqua dries very quickly, it definitely meets the times they state and probably beats them. Downside is the limited working time, it's pretty unforgiving. And brushes need regular cleaning because of this too.

Very white and glossy though and seems to stay that way.

[brianashley]

Jonesy23 said:

Funny, I found the Johnsons aqua dries very quickly, it definitely meets the times they state and probably beats them. Downside is the limited working time, it's pretty unforgiving. And brushes need regular cleaning because of this too.

Very white and glossy though and seems to stay that way.

Do you add any "Floetrol"

[CubanPete]

Water based satin.

Homebase own-brand is very good

[ChrisNic]

I've had good results using the Dulux Trade water based undercoat with the Sikkens Rubbol BL Satura top coat which is also water based.

The Sikkens does have a tendency to run on the first coat but can be rubbed down after 24 hours then the second coat goes on more easily and doesn't tend to run.

I'm no expert but the results are good and stays white, just needs a bit of patience. Best to get the Sikkens in 5l tins, circa £50 from Dulux Decorator centres.

[brianashley]

ChrisNic said:

I've had good results using the Dulux Trade water based undercoat with the Sikkens Rubbol BL Satura top coat which is also water based.

The Sikkens does have a tendency to run on the first coat but can be rubbed down after 24 hours then the second coat goes on more easily and doesn't tend to run.

I'm no expert but the results are good and stays white, just needs a bit of patience. Best to get the Sikkens in 5l tins, circa £50 from Dulux Decorator centres.

I think That "Sikkens" is going to become a lot bigger in the UK. Its a massive company in Europe . Its some of the best paint in the world ..I think there is a "Cartel" in the UK almost stopping shops from selling the stuff. Holman are one of the best sellers and I now just order online. Their technical experience is the best .

For "bespoke" hand painted kitchen /furniture etc Its ranked as possibly the best in the UK .And its certainly the toughest .

Edited by brianashley on Monday 24th April 18:41

[olimain]

olimain said:

Use water-based and it shouldn't go white

Yellow even!!

[ladderino]

brianashley said:

I think That "Sikkens" is going to become a lot bigger in the UK. Its a massive company in Europe . Its some of the best paint in the world ..I think there is a "Cartel" in the UK almost stopping shops from selling the stuff. Holman are one of the best sellers and I now just order online. Their technical experience is the best .

For "bespoke" hand painted kitchen /furniture etc Its ranked as possibly the best in the UK .And its certainly the toughest .

Edited by brianashley on Monday 24th April 18:41

Sikkens is an AkzoNobel brand, as is Dulux - think it's more likely that it's just not as well a known brand so not as heavily promoted, and not much point in pushing it with the DIY sheds.

Dulux Trade centres carry it though.

[B17NNS]

Hardly the painter's fault after six years

As above, water based satinwood.

[pghstochaj]

I use Johnstones aqua gloss after previous yellowing from Dulux. It's very good.

[Cupramax]

Thanks for all the responses, going to give the Johnstones a go as they have a decorators centre near to me.

[Cupramax]

B17NNS said:

Hardly the painter's fault after six years

As above, water based satinwood.

I didn't intend it to come across as i was having a go and it was the decorators fault, he did a great job, just let down by his materials gloss wise, the rest still looks remarkably good, like its just been done... he used Leyland trade stuff which i believe is Johnstones anyway.

[brianashley]

ladderino said:

Sikkens is an AkzoNobel brand, as is Dulux - think it's more likely that it's just not as well a known brand so not as heavily promoted, and not much point in pushing it with the DIY sheds.

Dulux Trade centres carry it though.

I think Dulux themselves dont want it to be as popular . Dulux paints are quite good at the moment .But are not on the same level as Sikkens .