Painting internal woodwork -argh!

[JackReacher]

I've just done a lot of internal wood in dulux diamond eggshell PBW. It's quite expensive paint but i am happy with the finish and how tough it seems so far.

The thing about this and other water based paint is that it dries very quickly, which is both a benefit and problem, as you need to apply it quickly and keep consistent and clean brush strokes as you go, as you cannot go back over something you painted a minute earlier, unlike oil based paint.

[brianashley]

[quote=JackReacher]I've just done a lot of internal wood in dulux diamond eggshell PBW. It's quite expensive paint but i am happy with the finish and how tough it seems so far.

The thing about this and other water based paint is that it dries very quickly, which is both a benefit and problem, as you need to apply it quickly and keep consistent and clean brush strokes as you go, as you cannot go back over something you painted a minute earlier, unlike oil based paint.[/quotes he tin ]
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For people not use to Acrylic it can be a nightmare. Brushes have to be correct . Adding some Floetrol makes it a lot easier . Not painting from the tin is critical . Also using a water spray bottle to mist the paint can work well

[Jesus]

I've had to bin Dulux almost completely- their stuff is over priced and sub standard.

Johnstones aqua range is the best of the well known brands.

If money isn't a consideration then Little Greene is brilliant as is Mythic Paints, but the latter harder to come by.

And invest a few quid in a nice Purdy XL Elite brush for anything acrylic / hybrid.

[brianashley]

Jesus said:

I've had to bin Dulux almost completely- their stuff is over priced and sub standard.

Johnstones aqua range is the best of the well known brands.

If money isn't a consideration then Little Greene is brilliant as is Mythic Paints, but the latter harder to t like come by.

And invest a few quid in a nice Purdy XL Elite brush for anything acrylic / hybrid.

That's interesting . I have never ever thought of one company been the best for everything . But Dulux do make some great paint for the TRADE . The domestic stuff is a bit ..... . Brushes , well it's all down to how we get on with them. I Picasso or my older Wooster . I bought a few US brushes and found these are nearly always my go to brushes . But I will use different brushes for a sikkens undercoat than a Little Greene eggshell . You cannot limit the job by limiting the tools etc

[Jesus]

30 years ago Dulux was premium, Johnstones /Mangers were cheap low range stuff and the now little known brands weren't heard off outside their respective home towns.
Since ICI sold off the paints division it's seen a steady decline in quality, but now PPG are sniffing around AKzo, so who knows what the future holds quality / range wise.

Brush wise, I agree completely- using a Purdy Monarch with thick bristles with a paint like Mythic is asking for trouble, whereas use it with a Sikkens product and your in for a good time.

I tried the Wooster and early versions of the Picasso and didn't like them.
But I know old school tradesmen who still swear by natural bristled Hamiltons for everything!

[joestifff]

This is all interesting stuff. Most the wood needs freshening up in our house, I really despise painting, I may have to get some quotes. But how do you know whether they're any good, and what paints they'll use?

Also, how on earth do you do skirting boards when it's carpeted?

[brianashley]

joestifff said:

This is all interesting stuff. Most the wood needs freshening up in our house, I really despise painting, I may have to get some quotes. But how do you know whether they're any good, and what paints they'll use?

Also, how on earth do you do skirting boards when it's carpeted?

By the looks of it, you are blessed with myself and "Jesus" we both rock


Preparing and painting boards is easy . Don't be scared. Lots of masking take. A filing knife and a knife. Lay th tape and tuck it tight down between the carpet and the board. I have done rooms for years with daft money carpet and never once had a issue . Leave Paint to dry and then remove tape. In the 90's I did a long stairs which had a hand made electric blue carpet . The owner suddenly wanted a colour change to the skirting board . 24 hours to sand down and 2 coats of oil with a splash of driers . Not a single mark and everyone was happy .

Edited by brianashley on Tuesday 25th April 12:24

[Dr Doofenshmirtz]

joestifff said:

This is all interesting stuff. Most the wood needs freshening up in our house, I really despise painting, I may have to get some quotes. But how do you know whether they're any good, and what paints they'll use?

Also, how on earth do you do skirting boards when it's carpeted?

I suppose you could get references from the local Facebook page and tell them to use your supplied paint?
I usually lift up the carpet along the skirting board. It usually goes back in the same place.

[dionbee93]

Sorry to hijack - been checking back and forward since this morning on this thread..

Users of the Dulux Diamond Eggshell in PBW on woodwork - does it go straight onto the woodwork (No primer?) Do I need to put anything down before it? Googled and searched a lot with various different results.

Thanks

[WinstonWolf]

JackReacher said:

I've just done a lot of internal wood in dulux diamond eggshell PBW. It's quite expensive paint but i am happy with the finish and how tough it seems so far.

The thing about this and other water based paint is that it dries very quickly, which is both a benefit and problem, as you need to apply it quickly and keep consistent and clean brush strokes as you go, as you cannot go back over something you painted a minute earlier, unlike oil based paint.

Dampen your brush before you start, wipe the surface with a damp cloth immediately before painting. Apply, spread it, feather it and don't touch it again!

You have to forget everything you knew about applying oil based gloss and adapt your technique with water based gloss.

Lots of good instructional videos on Youtube.

[JackReacher]

WinstonWolf said:

Dampen your brush before you start, wipe the surface with a damp cloth immediately before painting. Apply, spread it, feather it and don't touch it again!

You have to forget everything you knew about applying oil based gloss and adapt your technique with water based gloss.

Lots of good instructional videos on Youtube.

Thanks, this is all good advice and exactly what I did, I watched many a youtube video before starting!

dionbee93 said:

Sorry to hijack - been checking back and forward since this morning on this thread..

Users of the Dulux Diamond Eggshell in PBW on woodwork - does it go straight onto the woodwork (No primer?) Do I need to put anything down before it? Googled and searched a lot with various different results.

Thanks

Can't comment for others, but when I have used it (when covering very yellowed gloss) I did the following, light sand of the existing paint, wipe over with sugar soap and then water, applied one coat of Zinsser BIN, and then 2 coats of the trade eggshell PBW. The BIN definitely helped, but other undercoats/primers may be equally as good.

I have now done 8 doors, about 100m of skirting and a full staircase banister using this approach. It gets easier and quicker as you get used to it. I did read that some people find doors easier with a small roller, but I tried it once and didn't like it at all. A good quality synthetic brush was much better.

Edited by JackReacher on Tuesday 25th April 15:16

[WinstonWolf]

brianashley said:

. Don't be scared. Lots of masking take.

Forget masking tape, Frog Tape or similar is so much better. More expensive but worth every penny... You can get different varieties of tape depending on the task in hand.

[Jesus]

Frog tape is a waste of money for carpet / skirting masking - it's not as if you're trying to get a straight line but only to protect the carpet.

[WinstonWolf]

I've found it's well worth the extra, masking tape tears, sticks where you don't want it to and doesn't stick where you do. I'm a convert

[brianashley]

WinstonWolf said:

Forget masking tape, Frog Tape or similar is so much better. More expensive but worth every penny... You can get different varieties of tape depending on the task in hand.

Those tapes are used for different reason. masking tape is fine on the carpet .

[WinstonWolf]

brianashley said:

WinstonWolf said:

Forget masking tape, Frog Tape or similar is so much better. More expensive but worth every penny... You can get different varieties of tape depending on the task in hand.

Those tapes are used for different reason. masking tape is fine on the carpet .

Once you've picked all the broken pieces off and scored it in the vain hope it'll lift without taking the paint with it. Move with the times man, masking tape is so fifties...

[brianashley]

WinstonWolf said:

Once you've picked all the broken pieces off and scored it in the vain hope it'll lift without taking the paint with it. Move with the times man, masking tape is so fifties...

I have pulled of yards of it and never had a problem. And laid correctly its not to going to touch the wood . Using a filling knife correctly . it allows the paint to get down well bellow the middle of the fibres .So once removed the fibres bounce back up and form a lovely clean edge .

Edited by brianashley on Tuesday 25th April 16:36

[Jesus]

brianashley said:

WinstonWolf said:

Once you've picked all the broken pieces off and scored it in the vain hope it'll lift without taking the paint with it. Move with the times man, masking tape is so fifties...

7 i have pulled of yards of it at never had a problem. And laid correctly its not to going to touch the wood . Using a filling knife correctly . it allows the paint to get down well bellow the middle of the fibres .So once removed the fibres bounce back up and form a lovely clean edge .

With Brian on this - I've just put on 1 x q/d undercoat and two top coats of white q/d satin on lots of 7" skirting adjacent to a long pile carpet - basic 2" tape, tapped down to overlap the edge of the carpet.
Let it all dry, peeled tape off the carpet next day and the lovely long pile bounced back up.

Superb job.
Tape cost me about £1.50.

If the tape is coming off in bits or pulling the paint off then you're doing it wrong!

[Oakey]

brianashley said:

Dr Doofenshmirtz said:

Johnstone's aqua water based gloss is the best stuff. No yellowing at all and goes on well.

Rare (Less than 5% ) I ever get asked for Gloss . But Have used the above .And its a nice Gloss . But you need a good brush and i find it needs a fraction longer to dry than some people think. Morning and early evening coats possible,Yes. But 3 in a day No ! And i dont think any water based paint should be re coated within 6 hours .

This stuff?



I've used the above and it's stayed white so far, even in the downstairs toilet where there's no natural light.

[Jambo85]

At least we now know what Brian does.