double width garage door conversion

[Paper Lawyer]

For several years I have been thinking about converting my current twin up and over garage door configuration to a single double width garage door - likely to be a sectional door manufactured by the likes of Hormann, SWS or Cardale. The stumbling block is finding a design which meets my wife's approval - our house was built in 2004 but I don't want to make the mistake of buying a graphite coloured sectional door and matching contemporary front door - it will not suit the house.




The task will involve removing the central brick pillar (and I'll stash away the removed bricks) and replace the two RSJs with a single RSJ.

My question is whether this sort of work is bread&butter for most garage door installation companies and whether anyone has a recommendation for a company in the Solihull (i.e. West Mids/South Warwickshire) area? I have seen a reference to Coventry Garage Doors who have a showroom that I may try to visit this week.

Ideally I would like to get this done within the next couple of months.

Edited by Paper Lawyer on Monday 28th August 20:50

[Skyedriver]

Interested in this myself, we have an 8' door and a personnel door, I want to make it one 13' door inc removing central pillar. I think it will require approval of Building Control (Building Warrant up here in Scotland).

Edited by Skyedriver on Monday 28th August 21:35

[m3jappa]

General builder for the steel and garage door people for the door.

You may well find a garage door company who work with a builder though and will do the whole project. Place round here did exactly that when they did mine.

[Paper Lawyer]

I've spoken to Coventry Garage Doors this morning and they can handle the replacement RSJ/removal of brick pillar. Their CheckaTrade reviews are very good. I'm going to pop into their showroom tomorrow.

http://www.cgdgaragedoorscoventry.co.uk/sectional-...

http://www.checkatrade.com/CoventryGarageDoors/Rev...

[henrycrun]

Curious as to why the change ?

Won't 2 singles be more flexible with storage and easier to stay dry when going out in a storm ?

Edited by henrycrun on Tuesday 29th August 10:23

[pmanson]

We had a quote for a similar work (change from 2x single up and over doors to 1x hormann sectional roller plus all the required RSJs etc).

£3900. Circa £1500 for the steel work etc.

Remove old doors, install steel and remove pillar. Temporary block up of door with wood/old doors.

Install new doors.

Total time circa 3 days

[8-P]

Im tempted, but a) I think itll make my house look worse and b) I only use one door, giving me more storage space. But, it would be nice to open 1 door to gain full access, might even park a car in it at some point too!

[Skyedriver]

Wider door will allow the parking of one or possibly even 2 extra cars instead of 1, subject to some internal rearrangement.

[Paper Lawyer]

henrycrun said:

Curious as to why the change ?

Won't 2 singles be more flexible with storage and easier to stay dry when going out in a storm ?

Edited by henrycrun on Tuesday 29th August 10:23

Not quite following the storage point? (although I don't use my garage for storing household stuff, unlike many)


Pros of double width door (for me):

- The removal of central pillar makes parking easier (otherwise a complete no-no for my wife)

- being able to position a single car in the centre of the garage makes it far easier to work on the car, sheltered from the elements

- I can access my pedal bike (my daily commuter) even with the cars in the garage (as it is held by a butterfly wall dock to the centre of the rear wall)


Pros of sectional door over existing "up and over"

- the new garage door will also be more secure and provide a better seal against the winter elements

- I can park cars on the drive almost up against the door without risk of damage caused by opening/closing garage door

[Paper Lawyer]

pmanson said:

We had a quote for a similar work (change from 2x single up and over doors to 1x hormann sectional roller plus all the required RSJs etc).

£3900. Circa £1500 for the steel work etc.

Remove old doors, install steel and remove pillar. Temporary block up of door with wood/old doors.

Install new doors.

Total time circa 3 days

Thank you, that's very helpful to use as a quote comparator.

[Paper Lawyer]

pmanson said:

We had a quote for a similar work (change from 2x single up and over doors to 1x hormann sectional roller plus all the required RSJs etc).

£3900. Circa £1500 for the steel work etc.

Remove old doors, install steel and remove pillar. Temporary block up of door with wood/old doors.

Install new doors.

Total time circa 3 days

Can I just double check your quote? Was that £3900 for the sectional door and an additional £1,500 for the steel work, or the £3,900 the total figure?

[marting]

Paper Lawyer said:

Can I just double check your quote? Was that £3900 for the sectional door and an additional £1,500 for the steel work, or the £3,900 the total figure?

I dont want to jump in on this but I've just been quoted circa £2400 for a double roller, so I assume £3900 was the total.

[K50 DEL]

Useful thread this as I'm about to move house with just about my only fixed requirement being a double garage... if it has 2 single doors then I shall be doing exactly what you're looking at - handy to know a ballpark cost.

[Paper Lawyer]

marting said:

I dont want to jump in on this but I've just been quoted circa £2400 for a double roller, so I assume £3900 was the total.

Can I ask the brand of your roller? I'm guessing the Horsmann sectional door I have been quoted for is likely to be at the upper end of the spectrum but my quote is between £2,800 and £3,900, dependent upon choice of finish and whether I want the 8 windows in the top section. This is for a 2.25m x 4.78m sectional door.

Building work is a further £1,100.

[marting]

Paper Lawyer said:

Can I ask the brand of your roller? I'm guessing the Horsmann sectional door I have been quoted for is likely to be at the upper end of the spectrum but my quote is between £2,800 and £3,900, dependent upon choice of finish and whether I want the 8 windows in the top section. This is for a 2.25m x 4.78m sectional door.

Building work is a further £1,100.

Sorry perhaps I've come across more knowledgeable than I am - I've not actually had a proper written quotation yet, so I could be wildly wrong. I've had my existing one bodged and booked in a site survey - the £2400 was an estimate from the technician.

The repair guy recommended Hormann or SWS, with a preference to the latter. My existing door is about 2.1m x 4m. I guess my figure could be right for a bog standard white door with no windows.

[pmanson]

£3900 including the building work (that's for a hormann roller door)

[Sandy59]

I had a new sectional double door fitted recently, I asked about a roller door as an option but was advised by installer that they 'can' bow a bit over time if too wide, fine for a single though. I'd think that might only be a possibility if it was left open for long periods, quite a lot of weight to suspend in a big span.

[AW10]

I did much the same 3 years ago. The brick/steel work cost £1100 and an electric Seceuroglide roller door cost £2144; it was 4.9m wide and 2.4m high. Structural calcs were £150.

2 single doors look a bit more elegant/posh but the double door makes the garage more flexible allowing two cars v close to one another if needed (1 driven in forward, the other backed in) or just 1 car in the centre with loads of space to work on it. V glad I did it.

[marting]

marting said:

Sorry perhaps I've come across more knowledgeable than I am - I've not actually had a proper written quotation yet, so I could be wildly wrong. I've had my existing one bodged and booked in a site survey - the £2400 was an estimate from the technician.

The repair guy recommended Hormann or SWS, with a preference to the latter. My existing door is about 2.1m x 4m. I guess my figure could be right for a bog standard white door with no windows.

Just to add I've had a site survey-

I'm being quoted 2400 for a SWS roller and a few pennies less for a Hormann roller (4.2M wide by 2.1M).

[Paper Lawyer]

Just as an update, I have opted for a Novoferm sectional door - golden oak in large rib (m-rib in Hormann speak). Cheapest of the Hormann quotes (Coventry Garage Doors) wasnorth of £3k for the door and installation. Elite Garage Doors have quoted ~£2.5k (including wireless keypad for external access without transmitter) for the Novoferm door equivalent (45mm insulation rather than 42mm for the Hormann).

I will be contacting some recommended builders for a separate quote for the removal of the central pillar, installation of single RSJ and also extending the brick paving drive my another brick's length as the garage door will be rear mounted, rather than positioned within the opening (i.e. where the garage doors are currently positioned).