Show us your real estate pawn (vol 3)

[anonymous-user]

Gameface said:

I'm not defending it particularly. I think it's overpriced, and exactly not real estate pawn. But horrendous, vile and grim is overstating things IMO.

Some on here are in need of a reality check.

Millions of people in this country would be over the moon with it.

You must all be multi millionaires/property developers/interior designers/aesthetes/social commentators.

I'd love to see your houses.

Most forum contributors are, of course, sartorially elegant, fit in body, intelligent in mind, have a supermodel partner and a house that every global lifestyle magazine is fighting to win the opportunity to photograph.

[p1stonhead]

JPJPJP said:

Gameface said:

I'm not defending it particularly. I think it's overpriced, and exactly not real estate pawn. But horrendous, vile and grim is overstating things IMO.

Some on here are in need of a reality check.

Millions of people in this country would be over the moon with it.

You must all be multi millionaires/property developers/interior designers/aesthetes/social commentators.

I'd love to see your houses.

Most forum contributors are, of course, sartorially elegant, fit in body, intelligent in mind, have a supermodel partner and a house that every global lifestyle magazine is fighting to win the opportunity to photograph.

Or we can recognise when a building has been utterly stripped of all of its original appealing features and left with a crappy new build interior.

[Gameface]

p1stonhead said:

JPJPJP said:

Gameface said:

I'm not defending it particularly. I think it's overpriced, and exactly not real estate pawn. But horrendous, vile and grim is overstating things IMO.

Some on here are in need of a reality check.

Millions of people in this country would be over the moon with it.

You must all be multi millionaires/property developers/interior designers/aesthetes/social commentators.

I'd love to see your houses.

Most forum contributors are, of course, sartorially elegant, fit in body, intelligent in mind, have a supermodel partner and a house that every global lifestyle magazine is fighting to win the opportunity to photograph.

Or we can recognise when a building has been utterly stripped of all of its original appealing features and left with a crappy new build interior.

p1stonhead said:

JPJPJP said:

Gameface said:

I'm not defending it particularly. I think it's overpriced, and exactly not real estate pawn. But horrendous, vile and grim is overstating things IMO.

Some on here are in need of a reality check.

Millions of people in this country would be over the moon with it.

You must all be multi millionaires/property developers/interior designers/aesthetes/social commentators.

I'd love to see your houses.

Most forum contributors are, of course, sartorially elegant, fit in body, intelligent in mind, have a supermodel partner and a house that every global lifestyle magazine is fighting to win the opportunity to photograph.

Or we can recognise when a building has been utterly stripped of all of its original appealing features and left with a crappy new build interior.

It's what the market (rightly or wrongly) seems to want.

You may not like it, and I'm not a fan of it particularly either, but the adjectives used were over the top.

There's millions of people living in grim, vile and horrendous properties all over the country because they have no choice.

Five story Grade 2 listed townhouses are conspicuous by their absence in such circles...

[p1stonhead]

Gameface said:

p1stonhead said:

JPJPJP said:

Gameface said:

I'm not defending it particularly. I think it's overpriced, and exactly not real estate pawn. But horrendous, vile and grim is overstating things IMO.

Some on here are in need of a reality check.

Millions of people in this country would be over the moon with it.

You must all be multi millionaires/property developers/interior designers/aesthetes/social commentators.

I'd love to see your houses.

Most forum contributors are, of course, sartorially elegant, fit in body, intelligent in mind, have a supermodel partner and a house that every global lifestyle magazine is fighting to win the opportunity to photograph.

Or we can recognise when a building has been utterly stripped of all of its original appealing features and left with a crappy new build interior.

p1stonhead said:

JPJPJP said:

Gameface said:

I'm not defending it particularly. I think it's overpriced, and exactly not real estate pawn. But horrendous, vile and grim is overstating things IMO.

Some on here are in need of a reality check.

Millions of people in this country would be over the moon with it.

You must all be multi millionaires/property developers/interior designers/aesthetes/social commentators.

I'd love to see your houses.

Most forum contributors are, of course, sartorially elegant, fit in body, intelligent in mind, have a supermodel partner and a house that every global lifestyle magazine is fighting to win the opportunity to photograph.

Or we can recognise when a building has been utterly stripped of all of its original appealing features and left with a crappy new build interior.

It's what the market (rightly or wrongly) seems to want.

You may not like it, and I'm not a fan of it particularly either, but the adjectives used were over the top.

There's millions of people living in grim, vile and horrendous properties all over the country because they have no choice.

Five story Grade 2 listed townhouses are conspicuous by their absence in such circles...

But this is the real estate ‘porn’ thread. It’s supposed to be the best of things. That is not even close it’s ghastly in that regard. Compared to a council flat it’s fine obviously, but for property porn it’s disgusting. You have to consider the price when judging these things of course.

[anonymous-user]

The state that the buildings were in before the renovations started will have a bearing on what could be saved and what couldn't.

I can see how they aren't going to appeal to everyone.

But that was the developer's call and they have to stand or fall (financially at least) on the back of the decision

It looks like they need the money out of stage 1 to get stage 2 done, so the risk may have been a considerable one

I wouldn't buy anything in that particular location, but maybe other people will. Of those that don't, I don't think there will be many that go to look that are put off by the style or quality of the buildings. No one looking for an in keeping period renovation is even going to be interested. The price is another question altogether.

[Gameface]

Now it's disgusting too? FFS. How ridiculous.

Please advise me which socialite magazine your country estate is being featured in this month, so I can marvel at your good taste.

[Gameface]

JPJPJP said:

The state that the buildings were in before the renovations started will have a bearing on what could be saved and what couldn't.

I can see how they aren't going to appeal to everyone.

But that was the developer's call and they have to stand or fall (financially at least) on the back of the decision

It looks like they need the money out of stage 1 to get stage 2 done, so the risk may have been a considerable one

I wouldn't buy anything in that particular location, but maybe other people will. Of those that don't, I don't think there will be many that go to look that are put off by the style or quality of the buildings. No one looking for an in keeping period renovation is even going to be interested. The price is another question altogether.

Can it really be as terrible as some are making out, if the developer had to adhere to the garden 2 listed building requirements. They had to stay within the rules and have obviously done so

I don't know if all the people calling it names can even afford a £1.5M house, but I doubt it.

[mattyn1]

snobetter said:

Jacuzzi view hole?

of course... i did say it was childish!

[p1stonhead]

Gameface said:

Now it's disgusting too? FFS. How ridiculous.

Please advise me which socialite magazine your country estate is being featured in this month, so I can marvel at your good taste.

You know what an opinion is? I think it is (for the money). You may not. Not rocket science is it.

Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 21st June 09:54

[akirk]

DonkeyApple said:

akirk said:

louiebaby said:

numtumfutunch said:

As a complete boaty novice what would one need to get from here to the Thames barrier and back safely without outside help, what kind of licence would this need and how much time would it take to acquire?

Cheers

My understanding (which may be flawed) is that you don't NEED very much. You can hire narrow boats and gin palaces for week long holidays with only a few basic instructions. We had a very long narrowboat for a week with an hour of tutorial from the owner, and had no real worries travelling at about 3 mph...

If you're planning on messing about down near the Thames Barrier, or anywhere downstream of about Putney, there is no speed restriction, and a lot more of the bigger commercial stuff about. You might need some qualifications for that, but you'd certainly want some. Definitely.

You'd not want to be commuting from Taplow to Canary Wharf on a boat though, it'd take a wee while.

If a complete boaty novice - I would suggest that a car would be better
As others have said - the bit of river further upstream is not a huge issue - but you would not want to mess around on the tidal parts of the Thames without experience - there are a lot of commercial boats / strong tides / etc. I am an experienced sea based powerboater / sailor type thingy and I would be cautious on that stretch of the Thames...

upper Thames - a child of 10 could manage, middle Thames - no issue for beginners with some common sense - Lower Thames - avoid!

If someone has very little experience of handling boats on water then I’m not sure I see the logic that trading to handle a car on the Thames is going to be easier.

I was out on the lower Thames as a child in a dory. In terms of the traffic I would think that someone with conventional levels of common sense would have no issues at all. What takes time to learn and is probably the real challenge is the combination of wind and tides on that stretch and how you manoeuvre a boat under what are sometimes pretty strong conditions.

to be fair - most boating on the Thames isn't too hard - bump (that's the left bank) bump (that's the right bank) splash (man overboard) glug (pint at the end of the day)...

but the lower Thames is a big surprise for most people - and it is the commercial traffic which catches a lot of people out - where they have bimbled through Henley / or relaxed on the Isis, suddenly there is a lot going on - tides pulling and pushing you / skippers of tugs bearing down on you / all happening at speed, and getting it wrong isn't a gentle bump against a grass bank... there is a lot less time to think - it has to be intuitive...

it is a bit like sailing into somewhere like Portsmouth - where you were in the freedom of the Solent, you suddenly are in the small ships channel - subject to instruction from QHM, avoiding ferries / warships / commercial shipping - it isn't for an amateur...

[DonkeyApple]

silentbrown said:

DonkeyApple said:

If someone has very little experience of handling boats on water then I’m not sure I see the logic that trading to handle a car on the Thames is going to be easier.

I still remember seeing one of these in action on the Thames when I was a kid!

One of those pottering along between locks would be very cool. Stick it on the tidal section and I suspect you’ll be swimming with the lampreys.

[DonkeyApple]

akirk said:

DonkeyApple said:

akirk said:

louiebaby said:

numtumfutunch said:

As a complete boaty novice what would one need to get from here to the Thames barrier and back safely without outside help, what kind of licence would this need and how much time would it take to acquire?

Cheers

My understanding (which may be flawed) is that you don't NEED very much. You can hire narrow boats and gin palaces for week long holidays with only a few basic instructions. We had a very long narrowboat for a week with an hour of tutorial from the owner, and had no real worries travelling at about 3 mph...

If you're planning on messing about down near the Thames Barrier, or anywhere downstream of about Putney, there is no speed restriction, and a lot more of the bigger commercial stuff about. You might need some qualifications for that, but you'd certainly want some. Definitely.

You'd not want to be commuting from Taplow to Canary Wharf on a boat though, it'd take a wee while.

If a complete boaty novice - I would suggest that a car would be better
As others have said - the bit of river further upstream is not a huge issue - but you would not want to mess around on the tidal parts of the Thames without experience - there are a lot of commercial boats / strong tides / etc. I am an experienced sea based powerboater / sailor type thingy and I would be cautious on that stretch of the Thames...

upper Thames - a child of 10 could manage, middle Thames - no issue for beginners with some common sense - Lower Thames - avoid!

If someone has very little experience of handling boats on water then I’m not sure I see the logic that trading to handle a car on the Thames is going to be easier.

I was out on the lower Thames as a child in a dory. In terms of the traffic I would think that someone with conventional levels of common sense would have no issues at all. What takes time to learn and is probably the real challenge is the combination of wind and tides on that stretch and how you manoeuvre a boat under what are sometimes pretty strong conditions.

to be fair - most boating on the Thames isn't too hard - bump (that's the left bank) bump (that's the right bank) splash (man overboard) glug (pint at the end of the day)...

but the lower Thames is a big surprise for most people - and it is the commercial traffic which catches a lot of people out - where they have bimbled through Henley / or relaxed on the Isis, suddenly there is a lot going on - tides pulling and pushing you / skippers of tugs bearing down on you / all happening at speed, and getting it wrong isn't a gentle bump against a grass bank... there is a lot less time to think - it has to be intuitive...

it is a bit like sailing into somewhere like Portsmouth - where you were in the freedom of the Solent, you suddenly are in the small ships channel - subject to instruction from QHM, avoiding ferries / warships / commercial shipping - it isn't for an amateur...

Very true. You can imagine that after pleasantly drifting down river from pub to pub, Maureen and Clive would royally fill their greyed, M&S under garments to breaking point upon finding themselves on the lower section.

Much like they do when they turn into a motorway by accident when on a Sunday afternoon potter through the countryside.

[FourWheelDrift]

DonkeyApple said:

silentbrown said:

DonkeyApple said:

If someone has very little experience of handling boats on water then I’m not sure I see the logic that trading to handle a car on the Thames is going to be easier.

I still remember seeing one of these in action on the Thames when I was a kid!

One of those pottering along between locks would be very cool. Stick it on the tidal section and I suspect you’ll be swimming with the lampreys.

If you are going to do it, do it properly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mr_pCrhTkk

[DonkeyApple]

FourWheelDrift said:

If you are going to do it, do it properly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mr_pCrhTkk

Who would not ever want to do that just once!!!

[anonymous-user]

p1stonhead said:

But this is the real estate ‘porn’ thread. It’s supposed to be the best of things. That is not even close it’s ghastly in that regard. Compared to a council flat it’s fine obviously, but for property porn it’s disgusting. You have to consider the price when judging these things of course.

I expect there is some 'porn' that some people get off on that others would come close to feeling sick at. And that is without delving outside the law.

[silentbrown]

DonkeyApple said:

Who would not ever want to do that just once!!!

Gratuitous link to one of the best build threads on here... https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=16...

[Bonefish Blues]

DonkeyApple said:

FourWheelDrift said:

If you are going to do it, do it properly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mr_pCrhTkk

Who would not ever want to do that just once!!!

I can't view that at work, but I'd place a bet on it being that footage of a huge army amphibious truck launching four-square into a lake.

Am I right?

[Gameface]

p1stonhead said:

Gameface said:

Now it's disgusting too? FFS. How ridiculous.

Please advise me which socialite magazine your country estate is being featured in this month, so I can marvel at your good taste.

You know what an opinion is? I think it is (for the money). You may not. Not rocket science is it.

Edited by p1stonhead on Thursday 21st June 09:54

If you find it disgusting, vile, horrendous etc you must be very easily offended.

Please don't ever visit inner city London or Birmingham.

I'm not sure you'd recover.

[Harry Flashman]

Gameface said:

You must all be multi millionaires/property developers/interior designers/aesthetes/social commentators.

I'd love to see your houses.

OK - you asked!

DSC_0580.jpg by baconrashers, on Flickr

DSC_0582.jpg by baconrashers, on Flickr

DSC_0595.jpg by baconrashers, on Flickr


Whilst "grim" and "horrendous" may be a bit strong, it's sad to see what the developer has done. Those are gorgeous old houses, and frankly ripping all the original features out and making them look like McMansions is a real shame, and a completely wasted opportunity. And that is bloody expensive too at £1.5m for a terraced house in York!

My kitchen may not be to your taste, but I didn't feel the need to take out cornicing and ceiling roses (I refitted the latter, actually) and make the place look like a new build. Contrast it with the clinical, cold way the developers have done that listed York house.

Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 21st June 12:18

[Harry Flashman]

Gameface said:

Now it's disgusting too? FFS. How ridiculous.

Please advise me which socialite magazine your country estate is being featured in this month, so I can marvel at your good taste.

Finalist in the Evening Standard awards, by the way. So whilst not exactly Country Life, I feel I get the right to criticise.