Burglar Alarm Wiring

[Jasmine1]

My house was built in the mid 90's, when I moved in I removed the original alarm because it was dated and kept going off randomly. The cables for the PIR sensors and control panel I hid in the dry wall and then plastered over the hole, and the bell box wires are still loose in the loft. Not my smartest move in hindsight.

Assuming I can find the wires again (which so far I can't ) will they work with a modern burglar alarm? If they won't then whats the process to fit new ones? I'm hoping it's not a case of cutting into the plasterboard to lay them?

So far I've had a couple of companies out to quote and they've all wanted to fit wireless systems for about £500 but I'm conscious about reliability and performance.

Price includes control panel, bell box, 3 PIR sensors and two door sensors.

[IanG1]

If its 6 core alarm cable then you can use this with a modern panel, each zone will basically have a 12v power loop (+ and -) a detection loop and a tamper loop. With another 6 core to the alarm box.

[Jasmine1]

Thanks, unfortunately I'm struggling to find the wires that I hidden previously.

Whats involved in running new ones? Can you run them up to the loft and back down again or is it a case of removing floorboards and such?

[OldGermanHeaps]

you shouldn't worry about wireless if its Pyronix or Texecom. they are both spot on. fitted properly and serviced annually they will be as reliable as wired, but with the freedom to put the detectors in optimal positions, not compromise locations because of where you can get a wire easily.
you can use a tone generator and wand to find your existing wiring though if you can find the endstation end of the wires.

Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Sunday 14th January 19:39

[Jasmine1]

OldGermanHeaps said:

you shouldn't worry about wireless if its Pyronix or Texecom. they are both spot on. fitted properly and serviced annually they will be as reliable as wired, but with the freedom to put the detectors in optimal positions, not compromise locations because of where you can get a wire easily.
you can use a tone generator and wand to find your existing wiring though if you can find the endstation end of the wires.

Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Sunday 14th January 19:39

Interesting thank you.

One reason I say wired is because I can't find a wireless setup that can use Dual tech PIRs? It's imperative that the conservatory has a PIR and I know the regular ones will cause false alarms.

Do you now if Pyronix or Texecom can cater for this?

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

We have a Texecom panel with the Ricochet wireless system. We have dualtechs not pirs.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Any decent alarm installer can pull new cables through without too much disruption (usually). You'll be amazed when an imaginative engineer can do.

[sc0tt]

Where are you based? FIL has his own firm if you are interested?

[Jasmine1]

Do the quotes I've been given so far (£500) sound reasonable for a control panel, bell box, 3 PIRs and 2 door sensors?

sc0tt said:

Where are you based? FIL has his own firm if you are interested?

Is this the same FIL who turned up late and drunk to the christmas meal?

[JoPo1]

Pyronix Enforcer systems can use wireless dual tech’s which are obviously made by Pyronix themselves.

I fit around 3 Enforcer systems a month and I rarely get problems.
Buy the kit yourself and fit it, it’s a lot easier than you think!

And I charge £450 for a wireless control panel, 4 PIRs, a door contact and a bell box so £500 isn’t too far off the mark depending where you live.

[OldGermanHeaps]

Both texe and pyronix do wireless dualtechs. My personal preferance is pyronix. It is very reliable, quick to fit and has some nice features. You can also put the plastic main keypad/control panel in a cupboard and run a cable to a nice flush chrome keypad.

[OldGermanHeaps]

JoPo1 said:

Pyronix Enforcer systems can use wireless dual tech’s which are obviously made by Pyronix themselves.

I fit around 3 Enforcer systems a month and I rarely get problems.
Buy the kit yourself and fit it, it’s a lot easier than you think!

And I charge £450 for a wireless control panel, 4 PIRs, a door contact and a bell box so £500 isn’t too far off the mark depending where you live.

You are too cheap. Doing it for buttons devalues the industry for everybody doing it properly and creates unrealistic expectations from customers.

[Jasmine1]

Thanks guys.

Is it possible to have a setup that is part wireless and part wired? E.g. control panel wired into mains, alarm box hard wired but PIRs wireless?

Just spotted a 127DB siern called a master blaster, would love to have one of them wired as well.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Jasmine1 said:

Thanks guys.

E.g. control panel wired into mains, alarm box hard wired but PIRs wireless?

.

That's how they often are

[OldGermanHeaps]

Yep, both texe and pyronix support hybrid use. If you are going down that route the euro 46s v10 is very good.

[Jasmine1]

Is there anything else I can link up to the control panel beside door sensors and PIRs? E.g. perimeter detection outside in case someone is creeping around the car or down the side of my house (if such a thing even exists)?

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Jasmine1 said:

Is there anything else I can link up to the control panel beside door sensors and PIRs? E.g. perimeter detection outside in case someone is creeping around the car or down the side of my house (if such a thing even exists)?

Yes, but you'll probably get false alarms.

If it were me I'd have a monitored system.

[Jasmine1]

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

Yes, but you'll probably get false alarms.

If it were me I'd have a monitored system.

I wouldn't want something that sets off the house alarm, but a loud chirp indoors if it detects someone outside my front door or round the back of my house would be a fantastic feature.

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

Jasmine1 said:

2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:

Yes, but you'll probably get false alarms.

If it were me I'd have a monitored system.

I wouldn't want something that sets off the house alarm, but a loud chirp indoors if it detects someone outside my front door or round the back of my house would be a fantastic feature.

Then yes. A detector can be set up to chime when tripped

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

A pir light might be better though?