Octopus energy company. Anyone use 'em?
Discussion
RotorRambler said:
So.. I can have the white goods on timer during that period as I do now.
6 hours EV charging per day, whenever they decide.
If they decide to charge during the evening say, the whole house will be at the cheaper rate.
If it s as above, will make no difference to me!
Yes. Got it in one.6 hours EV charging per day, whenever they decide.
If they decide to charge during the evening say, the whole house will be at the cheaper rate.
If it s as above, will make no difference to me!
KTF said:
You will basically get 6 hours max of EV charging per night from the end of January onwards.
This will be tracked independently from the usual 2230 - 0530 7p overnight rate which will be retained.
It looks as if it's going to be tracked and charged separately using the intelligent charging adaptation. So what's to stop you having a dumb granny charger as well?This will be tracked independently from the usual 2230 - 0530 7p overnight rate which will be retained.
otolith said:
It looks as if it's going to be tracked and charged separately using the intelligent charging adaptation. So what's to stop you having a dumb granny charger as well?
If you decided to charge outside of the IOG integration using a granny charger then that would have to be within the 2330 - 0530 time slot as would count as the house load.If you don't schedule it via IOG then it wont be tracked.
KTF said:
otolith said:
It looks as if it's going to be tracked and charged separately using the intelligent charging adaptation. So what's to stop you having a dumb granny charger as well?
If you decided to charge outside of the IOG integration using a granny charger then that would have to be within the 2330 - 0530 time slot as would count as the house load.If you don't schedule it via IOG then it wont be tracked.
otolith said:
Exactly my point. So you could - especially if you have two EVs - nab more than 6 hours of EV charging and they'd be none the wiser for it.
Yes, if one EV was integrated with Octopus and the other was not and you needed to charge both at the same time then you could schedule one via IOG and one via a granny charger at the fixed overnight rates in a similar fashion to Go.So if I go for a long drive in my electric car I generally bring it home on fumes, then plug it in to charge up to 80% overnight. From 5% to 80% is 62.5kWh, I normally see about 6.8kW reaching the car battery after losses so that means charging for over 9 hours. Octopus will charge me cheaply for 6 and then full price for 3, not happy at all.
I understand why they need to crack down on people abusing the system but this isn't a good way of doing it. My occasional long charge gets penalised instead of them banning people who continually break their terms and conditions. EVs are looking less and less attractive as time goes on.
I understand why they need to crack down on people abusing the system but this isn't a good way of doing it. My occasional long charge gets penalised instead of them banning people who continually break their terms and conditions. EVs are looking less and less attractive as time goes on.
cb31 said:
So if I go for a long drive in my electric car I generally bring it home on fumes, then plug it in to charge up to 80% overnight. From 5% to 80% is 62.5kWh, I normally see about 6.8kW reaching the car battery after losses so that means charging for over 9 hours. Octopus will charge me cheaply for 6 and then full price for 3, not happy at all.
I understand why they need to crack down on people abusing the system but this isn't a good way of doing it. My occasional long charge gets penalised instead of them banning people who continually break their terms and conditions. EVs are looking less and less attractive as time goes on.
True, but if you don't need the full range again for a while and you don't use 6 hours of charge per day you can catch up at 6 hours per 24 hours over a few days.I understand why they need to crack down on people abusing the system but this isn't a good way of doing it. My occasional long charge gets penalised instead of them banning people who continually break their terms and conditions. EVs are looking less and less attractive as time goes on.
It's likely to mean that poor planning is penalised, and any need to have to think about and plan anything seems to be a big deterrent to change for many people. On the other hand, they are going to allow you to limit charging to cheap rate.
cb31 said:
So if I go for a long drive in my electric car I generally bring it home on fumes, then plug it in to charge up to 80% overnight. From 5% to 80% is 62.5kWh, I normally see about 6.8kW reaching the car battery after losses so that means charging for over 9 hours. Octopus will charge me cheaply for 6 and then full price for 3, not happy at all.
I understand why they need to crack down on people abusing the system but this isn't a good way of doing it. My occasional long charge gets penalised instead of them banning people who continually break their terms and conditions. EVs are looking less and less attractive as time goes on.
"Abusing the system?" seems to me that's just human nature and what everybody on here is trying to do I understand why they need to crack down on people abusing the system but this isn't a good way of doing it. My occasional long charge gets penalised instead of them banning people who continually break their terms and conditions. EVs are looking less and less attractive as time goes on.
Anyhow it's all part of Millibands master plan - eventually all these 'incentives' will be removed and blurred into one to maintain the tax take.....and to save the Planet of course
dickymint said:
"Abusing the system?" seems to me that's just human nature and what everybody on here is trying to do
Anyhow it's all part of Millibands master plan - eventually all these 'incentives' will be removed and blurred into one to maintain the tax take.....and to save the Planet of course
Government need charging to be cheap, otherwise there's no headroom for tax!Anyhow it's all part of Millibands master plan - eventually all these 'incentives' will be removed and blurred into one to maintain the tax take.....and to save the Planet of course
cb31 said:
So if I go for a long drive in my electric car I generally bring it home on fumes, then plug it in to charge up to 80% overnight. From 5% to 80% is 62.5kWh, I normally see about 6.8kW reaching the car battery after losses so that means charging for over 9 hours. Octopus will charge me cheaply for 6 and then full price for 3, not happy at all.
I understand why they need to crack down on people abusing the system but this isn't a good way of doing it. My occasional long charge gets penalised instead of them banning people who continually break their terms and conditions. EVs are looking less and less attractive as time goes on.
Would you actually need a full charge for the next day or could you split the charge up over 2 days instead?I understand why they need to crack down on people abusing the system but this isn't a good way of doing it. My occasional long charge gets penalised instead of them banning people who continually break their terms and conditions. EVs are looking less and less attractive as time goes on.
If you can split it over two days then (inconvenience aside) there is less of an issue.
otolith said:
dickymint said:
"Abusing the system?" seems to me that's just human nature and what everybody on here is trying to do
Anyhow it's all part of Millibands master plan - eventually all these 'incentives' will be removed and blurred into one to maintain the tax take.....and to save the Planet of course
Government need charging to be cheap, otherwise there's no headroom for tax!Anyhow it's all part of Millibands master plan - eventually all these 'incentives' will be removed and blurred into one to maintain the tax take.....and to save the Planet of course
KTF said:
otolith said:
It looks as if it's going to be tracked and charged separately using the intelligent charging adaptation. So what's to stop you having a dumb granny charger as well?
If you decided to charge outside of the IOG integration using a granny charger then that would have to be within the 2330 - 0530 time slot as would count as the house load.If you don't schedule it via IOG then it wont be tracked.
The cars own timer takes care of the timing..
KTF said:
Would you actually need a full charge for the next day or could you split the charge up over 2 days instead?
If you can split it over two days then (inconvenience aside) there is less of an issue.
I would rarely need it but that isn't the point. As an honest person I didn't limit my charger to a slow speed or do anything to game the system and the 9 hour charge would only happen if there was cheap spare capacity in the network. Now it will cost me £10 instead of £5 to go from 5-80% if I don't want to split over 2 days.If you can split it over two days then (inconvenience aside) there is less of an issue.
It was a great company, unfortunately instead of banning the abusers according to their terms and conditions they are making it harder for everyone. Next time they send their begging emails out asking me to preserve power during upcoming tight periods, instead of helping out my petty hat will get put on, along with the washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher, etc.
cb31 said:
KTF said:
Would you actually need a full charge for the next day or could you split the charge up over 2 days instead?
If you can split it over two days then (inconvenience aside) there is less of an issue.
I would rarely need it but that isn't the point. As an honest person I didn't limit my charger to a slow speed or do anything to game the system and the 9 hour charge would only happen if there was cheap spare capacity in the network. Now it will cost me £10 instead of £5 to go from 5-80% if I don't want to split over 2 days.If you can split it over two days then (inconvenience aside) there is less of an issue.
It was a great company, unfortunately instead of banning the abusers according to their terms and conditions they are making it harder for everyone. Next time they send their begging emails out asking me to preserve power during upcoming tight periods, instead of helping out my petty hat will get put on, along with the washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher, etc.
I agree that perhaps they should have banned abusers instead.
NortonES2 said:
KTF said:
Yes. It makes a big difference if you load shift to the off-peak period.
Its now become part of our routine to queue up the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble drier before going to bed using the time delay features they have.
Not advisable to run tumble dryer overnight.Its now become part of our routine to queue up the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble drier before going to bed using the time delay features they have.
GasEngineer said:
NortonES2 said:
KTF said:
Yes. It makes a big difference if you load shift to the off-peak period.
Its now become part of our routine to queue up the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble drier before going to bed using the time delay features they have.
Not advisable to run tumble dryer overnight.Its now become part of our routine to queue up the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble drier before going to bed using the time delay features they have.
otolith said:
GasEngineer said:
NortonES2 said:
KTF said:
Yes. It makes a big difference if you load shift to the off-peak period.
Its now become part of our routine to queue up the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble drier before going to bed using the time delay features they have.
Not advisable to run tumble dryer overnight.Its now become part of our routine to queue up the dishwasher, washing machine and tumble drier before going to bed using the time delay features they have.
The new rules feel a bit half-baked. I have a Zappi as well as a 'dumb' 7kW charger. I presume using the dumb charger overnight if I've exceeded my smart allowance during the daytime is frowned upon and seen as a new form of gaming the system. But charging my house storage batteries overnight at the same rate... isn't?
KTF said:
otolith said:
Exactly my point. So you could - especially if you have two EVs - nab more than 6 hours of EV charging and they'd be none the wiser for it.
Yes, if one EV was integrated with Octopus and the other was not and you needed to charge both at the same time then you could schedule one via IOG and one via a granny charger at the fixed overnight rates in a similar fashion to Go.You can't leave the quick charge EV plugged in during the day and get say four hours of cheap charge depending on the grid and then get a further 6 hours of cheap through the night - you'd only get 2 hours cheap through the night. It's only 6 hours in total.
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