Octopus energy company. Anyone use 'em?
Octopus energy company. Anyone use 'em?
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alangla

6,192 posts

203 months

Sunday 4th January
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RacingStripes said:
Greenmantle said:
cadmunkey said:
journeymanpro said:
No ev, battery or solar. Shift as much load as possible to the cheap times. Tomorrow's rates below for example.
That tariff looks very interesting.
Certainly does for people who WFH.
I could do all my stuff during my normal day (washing & tumble drying; cooking) go to the local gym at 4pm; school run at 5:30pm; back home at 6:30pm. I could save a packet and still be nice and toasty!
I checked that for me on the day that poster put it up and was nothing like that price in my area. And tomorrow looks a bit crap.



I think id struggle to move the evening cooking times with 2 kids under 5 too so probably give that a miss.
The original message was posted on Wednesday 31st. Not sure where the OP is, but it would fit with demand in Scotland on New Years Day. Basically everything shut down and the only increase in demand is the ovens starting in the evening to heat the steak pie. Not really a surprise that the rates for the first weekday with the schools back and temperatures below zero across the whole country are significantly higher.

Greenmantle

1,921 posts

130 months

Monday 5th January
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alangla said:
RacingStripes said:
Greenmantle said:
cadmunkey said:
journeymanpro said:
No ev, battery or solar. Shift as much load as possible to the cheap times. Tomorrow's rates below for example.
That tariff looks very interesting.
Certainly does for people who WFH.
I could do all my stuff during my normal day (washing & tumble drying; cooking) go to the local gym at 4pm; school run at 5:30pm; back home at 6:30pm. I could save a packet and still be nice and toasty!
I checked that for me on the day that poster put it up and was nothing like that price in my area. And tomorrow looks a bit crap.



I think id struggle to move the evening cooking times with 2 kids under 5 too so probably give that a miss.
The original message was posted on Wednesday 31st. Not sure where the OP is, but it would fit with demand in Scotland on New Years Day. Basically everything shut down and the only increase in demand is the ovens starting in the evening to heat the steak pie. Not really a surprise that the rates for the first weekday with the schools back and temperatures below zero across the whole country are significantly higher.
Agree.
Did further analysis for my area.
The Amber time zone is the deal breaker and I am not getting the same figures as the OP.
For me to work Amber price needs to be close to the Green price. I'm not saying single figures but 13p or less would seal it for me.
EDF - hope you can see this!

journeymanpro

902 posts

99 months

Monday 5th January
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i still do the cooking etc between 4 and 7pm but load shift everything else to the cheap times such as washing machine, dishwasher and tumble dryer.

my average unit rate for december was 12.6p kwh, very hard to beat given i have no solar or battery etc.

journeymanpro

902 posts

99 months

Monday 5th January
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Greenmantle said:
Certainly does for people who WFH.
I could do all my stuff during my normal day (washing & tumble drying; cooking) go to the local gym at 4pm; school run at 5:30pm; back home at 6:30pm. I could save a packet and still be nice and toasty!
it is edf freephase if interested, need a working smart meter of course and i have a sign up link that can earn us both £50 if of interest.

journeymanpro

902 posts

99 months

Monday 5th January
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Hobo

6,324 posts

268 months

Wednesday 21st January
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I won't go into a load of detail, but watch that Octopus are charging you correctly, as I had an issue with my account in May'25 which led to me making an official complaint of overcharging to the tune of around 4k.

Octopus pretty much rejected everything I said, without any evidence, simply stating the billing was correct and just be assured of which, and that they understood if can seem difficult to understand. Roll forward to January 2026, and they have back down in full, confirming they over billed considerably, and agreed to write off every penny.

In the past 9 months they have failed to provide any evidence to multiple claims they put forward, it went from 4k, to 3k to 2k, to just under 1k, and eventually to zero. It was simply a series of unsubstantiated numbers being thrown at me seemingley to try get me to pay something. They even went so far as to say previous details they had put in writing to me was incorrect as their team had made mistakes, and the account balance was higher as I was actually showing them they owed me money back and threatening small claims.

A complete joke of a company, and not one I could recommend to anyone. I never chose to use them, I was moved to them when Bulb closed. I genuinely dread to think how much I have overpaid them in the past few years.

tamore

9,351 posts

306 months

Wednesday 21st January
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Hobo said:
I won't go into a load of detail, but watch that Octopus are charging you correctly, as I had an issue with my account in May'25 which led to me making an official complaint of overcharging to the tune of around 4k.

Octopus pretty much rejected everything I said, without any evidence, simply stating the billing was correct and just be assured of which, and that they understood if can seem difficult to understand. Roll forward to January 2026, and they have back down in full, confirming they over billed considerably, and agreed to write off every penny.

In the past 9 months they have failed to provide any evidence to multiple claims they put forward, it went from 4k, to 3k to 2k, to just under 1k, and eventually to zero. It was simply a series of unsubstantiated numbers being thrown at me seemingley to try get me to pay something. They even went so far as to say previous details they had put in writing to me was incorrect as their team had made mistakes, and the account balance was higher as I was actually showing them they owed me money back and threatening small claims.

A complete joke of a company, and not one I could recommend to anyone. I never chose to use them, I was moved to them when Bulb closed. I genuinely dread to think how much I have overpaid them in the past few years.
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?

Road2Ruin

6,155 posts

238 months

Wednesday 21st January
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tamore said:
Hobo said:
I won't go into a load of detail, but watch that Octopus are charging you correctly, as I had an issue with my account in May'25 which led to me making an official complaint of overcharging to the tune of around 4k.

Octopus pretty much rejected everything I said, without any evidence, simply stating the billing was correct and just be assured of which, and that they understood if can seem difficult to understand. Roll forward to January 2026, and they have back down in full, confirming they over billed considerably, and agreed to write off every penny.

In the past 9 months they have failed to provide any evidence to multiple claims they put forward, it went from 4k, to 3k to 2k, to just under 1k, and eventually to zero. It was simply a series of unsubstantiated numbers being thrown at me seemingley to try get me to pay something. They even went so far as to say previous details they had put in writing to me was incorrect as their team had made mistakes, and the account balance was higher as I was actually showing them they owed me money back and threatening small claims.

A complete joke of a company, and not one I could recommend to anyone. I never chose to use them, I was moved to them when Bulb closed. I genuinely dread to think how much I have overpaid them in the past few years.
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
Hmmm

Byker28i

82,790 posts

239 months

Wednesday 21st January
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As an aside to that, I wrote here last year with my efforts to tell them my gas meter had stopped working, stopped recording, no numbers on the meter, digital display dead.

Took them 3 months to change the meter, during which they tried to bill me on excessive usage, which I pointed out from previous months wasn't right, that the gas was effectively turned off, because summer, and they wrote the lot off because they couldn't tell what I used (probably £30-40)

Flooble

5,723 posts

122 months

Wednesday 21st January
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I am currently still waiting for my Smart Meter to be fixed, I reported it in September (it stopped working end of August, conveniently just after we got our Export MPAN).

Just goes round in circles, gets escalated, metering team don't get in touch, escalate again, and so on.

They aren't billing me, so I am only chasing once a month now.

AyBee

11,137 posts

224 months

Wednesday 21st January
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tamore said:
Hobo said:
I won't go into a load of detail, but watch that Octopus are charging you correctly, as I had an issue with my account in May'25 which led to me making an official complaint of overcharging to the tune of around 4k.

Octopus pretty much rejected everything I said, without any evidence, simply stating the billing was correct and just be assured of which, and that they understood if can seem difficult to understand. Roll forward to January 2026, and they have back down in full, confirming they over billed considerably, and agreed to write off every penny.

In the past 9 months they have failed to provide any evidence to multiple claims they put forward, it went from 4k, to 3k to 2k, to just under 1k, and eventually to zero. It was simply a series of unsubstantiated numbers being thrown at me seemingley to try get me to pay something. They even went so far as to say previous details they had put in writing to me was incorrect as their team had made mistakes, and the account balance was higher as I was actually showing them they owed me money back and threatening small claims.

A complete joke of a company, and not one I could recommend to anyone. I never chose to use them, I was moved to them when Bulb closed. I genuinely dread to think how much I have overpaid them in the past few years.
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
Definitely something that doesn't add up here - the bill either matches the meter numbers or it doesn't....

Flooble

5,723 posts

122 months

Wednesday 21st January
quotequote all
AyBee said:
tamore said:
Hobo said:
I won't go into a load of detail, but watch that Octopus are charging you correctly, as I had an issue with my account in May'25 which led to me making an official complaint of overcharging to the tune of around 4k.

Octopus pretty much rejected everything I said, without any evidence, simply stating the billing was correct and just be assured of which, and that they understood if can seem difficult to understand. Roll forward to January 2026, and they have back down in full, confirming they over billed considerably, and agreed to write off every penny.

In the past 9 months they have failed to provide any evidence to multiple claims they put forward, it went from 4k, to 3k to 2k, to just under 1k, and eventually to zero. It was simply a series of unsubstantiated numbers being thrown at me seemingley to try get me to pay something. They even went so far as to say previous details they had put in writing to me was incorrect as their team had made mistakes, and the account balance was higher as I was actually showing them they owed me money back and threatening small claims.

A complete joke of a company, and not one I could recommend to anyone. I never chose to use them, I was moved to them when Bulb closed. I genuinely dread to think how much I have overpaid them in the past few years.
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
Definitely something that doesn't add up here - the bill either matches the meter numbers or it doesn't....
Octopus do "Agile" pricing on some of their tariffs. That can mean that if you use energy at peak times you are paying £1 per unit, and off peak it can actually go negative and they owe you money.

I can quite see that they might have decided that the 4000kWh on the meter (absolute figure) was all at their peak rate.

tamore

9,351 posts

306 months

Wednesday 21st January
quotequote all
Flooble said:
AyBee said:
tamore said:
Hobo said:
I won't go into a load of detail, but watch that Octopus are charging you correctly, as I had an issue with my account in May'25 which led to me making an official complaint of overcharging to the tune of around 4k.

Octopus pretty much rejected everything I said, without any evidence, simply stating the billing was correct and just be assured of which, and that they understood if can seem difficult to understand. Roll forward to January 2026, and they have back down in full, confirming they over billed considerably, and agreed to write off every penny.

In the past 9 months they have failed to provide any evidence to multiple claims they put forward, it went from 4k, to 3k to 2k, to just under 1k, and eventually to zero. It was simply a series of unsubstantiated numbers being thrown at me seemingley to try get me to pay something. They even went so far as to say previous details they had put in writing to me was incorrect as their team had made mistakes, and the account balance was higher as I was actually showing them they owed me money back and threatening small claims.

A complete joke of a company, and not one I could recommend to anyone. I never chose to use them, I was moved to them when Bulb closed. I genuinely dread to think how much I have overpaid them in the past few years.
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
Definitely something that doesn't add up here - the bill either matches the meter numbers or it doesn't....
Octopus do "Agile" pricing on some of their tariffs. That can mean that if you use energy at peak times you are paying £1 per unit, and off peak it can actually go negative and they owe you money.

I can quite see that they might have decided that the 4000kWh on the meter (absolute figure) was all at their peak rate.
that's not how it works. from someone who was on it for years.

otolith

64,883 posts

226 months

Wednesday 21st January
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tamore said:
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
The meter just says how many units you've used, though, not at what time of day and hence what tariff.

tamore

9,351 posts

306 months

Wednesday 21st January
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otolith said:
tamore said:
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
The meter just says how many units you've used, though, not at what time of day and hence what tariff.
no, that's all available via the account portal. it lets you nerd out to your heart's content.

hard to know what's happened with the vagueness.

otolith

64,883 posts

226 months

Wednesday 21st January
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tamore said:
otolith said:
tamore said:
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
The meter just says how many units you've used, though, not at what time of day and hence what tariff.
no, that's all available via the account portal. it lets you nerd out to your heart's content.

hard to know what's happened with the vagueness.
That data is collected by and held upon Octopus's servers, though, not by your meter. You've no way of independently verifying that.

Lotobear

8,552 posts

150 months

Wednesday 21st January
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We've just transferred to a fixed tarrif from their 'cosy' heat pump tarrif as we got pissed off with having to organise our life around when to cook and stick the dishwasher and TD on.

It's working out pretty much the same overall without anxiety of getting stuffed with the highest tarrif when you want to cook your evening meal.


tamore

9,351 posts

306 months

Wednesday 21st January
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otolith said:
tamore said:
otolith said:
tamore said:
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
The meter just says how many units you've used, though, not at what time of day and hence what tariff.
no, that's all available via the account portal. it lets you nerd out to your heart's content.

hard to know what's happened with the vagueness.
That data is collected by and held upon Octopus's servers, though, not by your meter. You've no way of independently verifying that.
by that measure, you;'ve no idea if a meter running on a flat tariff is actually recording the real energy consumption.

i guess you're railing against smart meters and smart tariffs in general?

Chris Type R

8,726 posts

271 months

Wednesday 21st January
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Lotobear said:
We've just transferred to a fixed tarrif from their 'cosy' heat pump tarrif as we got pissed off with having to organise our life around when to cook and stick the dishwasher and TD on.

It's working out pretty much the same overall without anxiety of getting stuffed with the highest tarrif when you want to cook your evening meal.
I think the sweet spot is an EV tariff if you also have batteries which you can charge overnight and cover most of your daily usage.

Flooble

5,723 posts

122 months

Wednesday 21st January
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tamore said:
otolith said:
tamore said:
otolith said:
tamore said:
surely you have meters which give readings? how do those readings compare to the figures on the bills?
The meter just says how many units you've used, though, not at what time of day and hence what tariff.
no, that's all available via the account portal. it lets you nerd out to your heart's content.

hard to know what's happened with the vagueness.
That data is collected by and held upon Octopus's servers, though, not by your meter. You've no way of independently verifying that.
by that measure, you;'ve no idea if a meter running on a flat tariff is actually recording the real energy consumption.

i guess you're railing against smart meters and smart tariffs in general?
I am on the Octopus Agile Tariff. So I do know exactly how it works. When it works.

Mine broke - no data is being transmitted on Electricity usage, the DCC isn't getitng it. Bright can't see it. Octopus can't see it.

As stated, the meter itself only shows you the absolute figure on the display. If the DCC connection fails you can't get at any of the other data. Even if you have other sources (e.g. you have home batteries with input/output readings) Octopus won't accept them - they will only accept the readings from the official meter.

Hence, if things go wrong, you can find yourself butting heads with them over *when* you used the electricity.

I was not talking from a position of ignorance, but from a position of someone else who is currently trying to get Octoput to come and fix their smart meter which has stopped working.

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