Considering a 991.1 Carrera S .....
Discussion
Hello one and all! 
After a few years in the wilderness (with alternative toys - F80 M3, M4 Competition Pack, an Audi SQ5 and an Audi RS5) - I've decided I'm missing a Porker. I can't afford a new 992 and after all of this new metal, I'm entering the used market for a low mileage 991.1 (paying £63-70,000 which probably buys me a car in the 2013 to 2015 year bracket dependent on mileage and spec) - with a little trepidation .....
I know what extras I want: (PDK - it's a daily, ideally LED lights, BOSE, Plus seats, Sport Chrono, Cruise, Sport Design steering wheel, rear wiper, parking sensors etc). However, there aren't a huge number out there so I need to pick carefully ....
What I don't know is what to look out for mechanically. Can anyone advise what to look out for and what typically goes wrong? Is a Porsche warranty a must for this car and should I then stick to the OPC's?
MM.
After a few years in the wilderness (with alternative toys - F80 M3, M4 Competition Pack, an Audi SQ5 and an Audi RS5) - I've decided I'm missing a Porker. I can't afford a new 992 and after all of this new metal, I'm entering the used market for a low mileage 991.1 (paying £63-70,000 which probably buys me a car in the 2013 to 2015 year bracket dependent on mileage and spec) - with a little trepidation .....
I know what extras I want: (PDK - it's a daily, ideally LED lights, BOSE, Plus seats, Sport Chrono, Cruise, Sport Design steering wheel, rear wiper, parking sensors etc). However, there aren't a huge number out there so I need to pick carefully ....
What I don't know is what to look out for mechanically. Can anyone advise what to look out for and what typically goes wrong? Is a Porsche warranty a must for this car and should I then stick to the OPC's?
MM.
Sold my R8 and was thinking about a 991, little less to spend £50-60k.
My biggest concern is depreciation as I get bored within 6 months...
My budget doesn’t get me much special, just Carrera models really, will keep an eye on them, as they do appeal, but as it’s a toy only, I may have to consider other options.
My biggest concern is depreciation as I get bored within 6 months...
My budget doesn’t get me much special, just Carrera models really, will keep an eye on them, as they do appeal, but as it’s a toy only, I may have to consider other options.
Ive had my 2012 c2s couple for a couple of years now and bought it from an indie. I took it to my main dealer and I enquired about a Porsche warranty but I was told it would need a full service despite this being carried out by JZM prior to purchase, also tyres weren't N rated so they needed changing too. All in all it would have been over £3k to put a years warranty on including tyres and service. So from that I would suggest that if you want a warranty and the comfort then buy through a main dealer.
During ownership it has been a great car to live with as a daily drive, sports exhaust is good value, quiet in the mornings when I leave home, then howling when its warmed up. That said it did have an exhaust valve which was stuck open, but JZM changed that under their warranty, they only changed the one offending valve but I was told that Porsche only change them in sets, and there are 8 if I recall correctly, so a common and expensive fix. Bose stereo is crap, and one really weird thing is the windows open a few mm's when you open the door, but when you close the door the passenger window doesn't close up again and as soon as you reach 30-40mph it starts whistling. I had hoped Porsche might have adjusted it or reset or something but it wasn't fixed at service.
Also had a broken heater fan which needed fixing, other than that no faults in 30k miles. I average 28mpg which is better that I thought, Michelin tyres are far far far better than the Pirellis.
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During ownership it has been a great car to live with as a daily drive, sports exhaust is good value, quiet in the mornings when I leave home, then howling when its warmed up. That said it did have an exhaust valve which was stuck open, but JZM changed that under their warranty, they only changed the one offending valve but I was told that Porsche only change them in sets, and there are 8 if I recall correctly, so a common and expensive fix. Bose stereo is crap, and one really weird thing is the windows open a few mm's when you open the door, but when you close the door the passenger window doesn't close up again and as soon as you reach 30-40mph it starts whistling. I had hoped Porsche might have adjusted it or reset or something but it wasn't fixed at service.
Also had a broken heater fan which needed fixing, other than that no faults in 30k miles. I average 28mpg which is better that I thought, Michelin tyres are far far far better than the Pirellis.
Great cars
Thanks PPPMAT and hardlylikely - that's very useful and has instantly switched me away from an Indy (unless 911V get one in next week). I have a target and I just need to get an indication on my RS5's value as a part-ex and get a deposit on my chosen example! Let's hope that they're open over the bank holiday weekend ....
To the rufmeister well even the base Carrera makes a great noise, handles and stops superbly. Like few others - although the R8 V8 was pretty good on the handling front from memory! You just have to rev the 3.4 harder to make it go - but there is some delight in the thrashing as I once found out at the PEC where I lapped my own brother (twice) in a 3.4 Carrera...... Smooth as silk and I just kept the revs above 6,000rpm for 30 mins on the track. OK all 4 tyres were melted, but I had a ball, making the speed with a demonic obsession to have my foot on the floor for every second I could.
To the rufmeister well even the base Carrera makes a great noise, handles and stops superbly. Like few others - although the R8 V8 was pretty good on the handling front from memory! You just have to rev the 3.4 harder to make it go - but there is some delight in the thrashing as I once found out at the PEC where I lapped my own brother (twice) in a 3.4 Carrera...... Smooth as silk and I just kept the revs above 6,000rpm for 30 mins on the track. OK all 4 tyres were melted, but I had a ball, making the speed with a demonic obsession to have my foot on the floor for every second I could.
Well I've pushed the button on an amazing spec '64 plate Rhodium Silver C2S with only 12K on the clock at OPC Cambridge and I collect it on Friday 26th. They've been fab this far and I've thoroughly enjoyed dealing with Scott Riley, who could not have been more helpful and communicative!
MadMarkM3 said:
Well I've pushed the button on an amazing spec '64 plate Rhodium Silver C2S with only 12K on the clock at OPC Cambridge and I collect it on Friday 26th. They've been fab this far and I've thoroughly enjoyed dealing with Scott Riley, who could not have been more helpful and communicative!
Congratulations! Know how you must be feeling - I’ve just pushed the button on ‘12 plate C2S from Glasgow.
MadMarkM3 said:
Well I've pushed the button on an amazing spec '64 plate Rhodium Silver C2S with only 12K on the clock at OPC Cambridge and I collect it on Friday 26th. They've been fab this far and I've thoroughly enjoyed dealing with Scott Riley, who could not have been more helpful and communicative!
Ive seen it, its a lovely looking car, Cambridge are a great bunch to deal with. Enjoy. DeuceDeuce said:
Congratulations!
Know how you must be feeling - I’ve just pushed the button on ‘12 plate C2S from Glasgow.
Thanks! You too. Looking at the photos the dealer sent you and smirking one minute. The next you're frustrated that it's not already on the drive?? In my case - this will be repeated for 9 days ...... Know how you must be feeling - I’ve just pushed the button on ‘12 plate C2S from Glasgow.
David W. said:
Ive seen it, its a lovely looking car, Cambridge are a great bunch to deal with. Enjoy.
Thanks - one up on me as I haven't even seen it in the flesh! I've bought on spec and assurances because there were too many interested parties for me to get up there and test drive it. The deposit had to be paid this am or it would have gone on a first come - first served basis .... MadMarkM3 said:
Thanks - one up on me as I haven't even seen it in the flesh! I've bought on spec and assurances because there were too many interested parties for me to get up there and test drive it. The deposit had to be paid this am or it would have gone on a first come - first served basis ....
Had this from them via south London last week, still learning how to rein it in!
MadMarkM3 said:
Thanks - one up on me as I haven't even seen it in the flesh! I've bought on spec and assurances because there were too many interested parties for me to get up there and test drive it. The deposit had to be paid this am or it would have gone on a first come - first served basis ....
Every single OPC 911 I enquired about during my recent search also seemed to have many interested parties and needed a deposit by lunchtime to secure it to else I’d lose it to another buyer. Most of them are very much still for sale.Maybe it’s true that they have queues of buyers for all the good cars but I found the pressurised sales technique left a sour taste in my mouth. All I wanted to do was go through some questions and answers and all I got was ‘I need to take deposit on this before lunchtime or another dealership is going to sell it’.
DeuceDeuce said:
Every single OPC 911 I enquired about during my recent search also seemed to have many interested parties and needed a deposit by lunchtime to secure it to else I’d lose it to another buyer. Most of them are very much still for sale.
Maybe it’s true that they have queues of buyers for all the good cars but I found the pressurised sales technique left a sour taste in my mouth. All I wanted to do was go through some questions and answers and all I got was ‘I need to take deposit on this before lunchtime or another dealership is going to sell it’.
And I have heard of the "pressure sell" too, but in my case we'd been talking for a week. All questions were answered and I'd already agreed a very favourable deal in principle the night before. I had already offered the deposit call for first thing that morning, so when I got the voicemail and slightly panicky email at 9:15am (after their morning meeting) saying that we need to do this right now (because his two colleagues both had interested parties), this sounded credible and I called him straight back to sort it. Maybe it’s true that they have queues of buyers for all the good cars but I found the pressurised sales technique left a sour taste in my mouth. All I wanted to do was go through some questions and answers and all I got was ‘I need to take deposit on this before lunchtime or another dealership is going to sell it’.
If it turns out that I've been played as a fool - then so be it! I should still have a car in amazing condition and superb spec, at a price lower than advertised.
MadMarkM3 said:
And I have heard of the "pressure sell" too, but in my case we'd been talking for a week. All questions were answered and I'd already agreed a very favourable deal in principle the night before. I had already offered the deposit call for first thing that morning, so when I got the voicemail and slightly panicky email at 9:15am (after their morning meeting) saying that we need to do this right now (because his two colleagues both had interested parties), this sounded credible and I called him straight back to sort it.
If it turns out that I've been played as a fool - then so be it! I should still have a car in amazing condition and superb spec, at a price lower than advertised.
Just out of interest,what sort of percentage off did you manage ? In the same boat, as been looking at 997 gts’s or 991’s from an OPC.If it turns out that I've been played as a fool - then so be it! I should still have a car in amazing condition and superb spec, at a price lower than advertised.
Well based on what I've seen the gap between the two seems to be closing (perhaps as one would expect) - the 4S's that I looked at were more like £2-3K more instead of the £5K when new.
Of course with the arrival of the 992, more of the 991's will be taken out of service as daily drivers and become weekend toys, then the 4 wheel drive becomes less essential for some people. Others like me will always prefer the "adjustability" of the rear wheel drive and with the huge amount of front end grip (especially over a 997), an electronic diff, the stability control and the rear weight bias - even the rear wheel drive cars have huge traction and are pretty benign until you start to push very hard (and you require more skill). So I would argue that it's not required on a 1st gen, although the torque of the 2nd gens means it probably helps some people deploy full power in the wet .... However, when compared to my previous M3/M4's - my C2S finds spooky levels of traction on wet roads ....
As to where the values will go - who knows - it depends on whether people will continue to pay a premium for 4wd! Some will, some won't.
Of course with the arrival of the 992, more of the 991's will be taken out of service as daily drivers and become weekend toys, then the 4 wheel drive becomes less essential for some people. Others like me will always prefer the "adjustability" of the rear wheel drive and with the huge amount of front end grip (especially over a 997), an electronic diff, the stability control and the rear weight bias - even the rear wheel drive cars have huge traction and are pretty benign until you start to push very hard (and you require more skill). So I would argue that it's not required on a 1st gen, although the torque of the 2nd gens means it probably helps some people deploy full power in the wet .... However, when compared to my previous M3/M4's - my C2S finds spooky levels of traction on wet roads ....
As to where the values will go - who knows - it depends on whether people will continue to pay a premium for 4wd! Some will, some won't.
Mr981 said:
I’m in the same place as OP, thinking about a 991.1 as a daily driver.
Any thoughts on whether a c2s or c4s will hold its value better after a few years of ownership?
Difference will be negligible so go for what you want. I prefer the drive of the 2 but to be honest I would probably buy a 4 as a daily driver for using in the winter months. The extra security of the 4wd when it’s wet does make a difference. Any thoughts on whether a c2s or c4s will hold its value better after a few years of ownership?
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