Waste Dumped in Communal Bin Store - Tenant Denying Was Him
Discussion
romeogolf said:
Herbs said:
Before going nuclear on them and ending up in a situation where there is no winners, ask to see the CCTV footage (before it is wiped) of 5 minutes either side of the hour before and the hour after the alleged offence took place.
If they cannot or are unwilling to provide this then I would spin the evidence back on them that the fob being used 14 seconds later is proof that your tenant was a) not one of the men responsible or b) provided access to bins to a 3rd party.
Make it clear that you have nothing to gain or to lose in this situation and you consider it closed unless they can provide some evidence that doesn't contradict itself.
They provided CCTV of the machine being carried out the building and the timestamps matched with the next bit of footage in the bin store (although they haven't provided fob records for this). Currently I believe the fob-time issue is correct, but I do have a query regarding how it was used 14 seconds later and have asked them to explain this.If they cannot or are unwilling to provide this then I would spin the evidence back on them that the fob being used 14 seconds later is proof that your tenant was a) not one of the men responsible or b) provided access to bins to a 3rd party.
Make it clear that you have nothing to gain or to lose in this situation and you consider it closed unless they can provide some evidence that doesn't contradict itself.
If (A), then that's easy enough to drop it. But if (B) it's still my issue, so it doesn't help unless I can prove he didn't - Which currently I can't.
romeogolf said:
Barga said:
Do you definitely know that it’s not your washing machine?
Yes. It is visibly a different colour in the footage and my tenant has sent me a photo of the machine still in the flat.They have video of it not being your tenant and photo evidence that it’s not your washing machine so is there just a slim chance that it was someone else?
Barga said:
Have you provided this evidence to the management company?
They have video of it not being your tenant and photo evidence that it’s not your washing machine so is there just a slim chance that it was someone else?
It was definitely someone else, but they continue to point to the fact that it was a fob allocated to my flat which was used to access the bin store at the time when the machine was left there.They have video of it not being your tenant and photo evidence that it’s not your washing machine so is there just a slim chance that it was someone else?
Looking at the log, your tenant comes home at around 18:15/18:30 on weekdays, entering via "Prox Ent". (On 11th there's also two entries under 10 seconds apart, but that maybe because he failed to open the door in time, or thought the first 'tap' hadn't worked.)
On 14th, he enter at 17:22, the bin store is accessed at 20:25, and 14 seconds later, the usual "Prox Ent".
Without knowing the physical layout it's difficult to be sure, but is it possible he (possibly innocently) opened the bin store for a third party ("hey mate, could you open this for us please - our hands are full") on his way into the building. So the fob is never in the bin store, but was still used it to open it.
On 14th, he enter at 17:22, the bin store is accessed at 20:25, and 14 seconds later, the usual "Prox Ent".
Without knowing the physical layout it's difficult to be sure, but is it possible he (possibly innocently) opened the bin store for a third party ("hey mate, could you open this for us please - our hands are full") on his way into the building. So the fob is never in the bin store, but was still used it to open it.
romeogolf said:
They provided CCTV of the machine being carried out the building and the timestamps matched with the next bit of footage in the bin store (although they haven't provided fob records for this). Currently I believe the fob-time issue is correct, but I do have a query regarding how it was used 14 seconds later and have asked them to explain this.
If (A), then that's easy enough to drop it. But if (B) it's still my issue, so it doesn't help unless I can prove he didn't - Which currently I can't.
You do not need to prove he didn't. They would need to prove he did. Given the use of a fob in multiple locations at the same time (Unless you can get from point A to point B in 14 seconds) they have no chance of winning this. On the basis of a washing machine being dumped is there no footage of a new machine being delivered ?If (A), then that's easy enough to drop it. But if (B) it's still my issue, so it doesn't help unless I can prove he didn't - Which currently I can't.
snake_oil said:
Have you spoken to the tennant about the situation?
Yes. He has (understandably) denied it was him and has provided a photo of the machine still in the kitchen today.silentbrown said:
Looking at the log, your tenant comes home at around 18:15/18:30 on weekdays, entering via "Prox Ent". (On 11th there's also two entries under 10 seconds apart, but that maybe because he failed to open the door in time, or thought the first 'tap' hadn't worked.)
On 14th, he enter at 17:22, the bin store is accessed at 20:25, and 14 seconds later, the usual "Prox Ent".
Without knowing the physical layout it's difficult to be sure, but is it possible he (possibly innocently) opened the bin store for a third party ("hey mate, could you open this for us please - our hands are full") on his way into the building. So the fob is never in the bin store, but was still used it to open it.
There is footage of an individual opening the bin store at 20:25 and then entering the store with the machine. So it wasn't a case of anyone buzzing another person into the room. The fob holder opens the door and carries the machine in with another person. Neither of them are my tenant.On 14th, he enter at 17:22, the bin store is accessed at 20:25, and 14 seconds later, the usual "Prox Ent".
Without knowing the physical layout it's difficult to be sure, but is it possible he (possibly innocently) opened the bin store for a third party ("hey mate, could you open this for us please - our hands are full") on his way into the building. So the fob is never in the bin store, but was still used it to open it.
There are two entrances to the block (one I assume is "(14) Prox Ent (DEP17) GP5" and the other is "(10) Main Ent Private (DEP16) GP4") but both are a good 20 second walk from the bin store. On below the red arrow is the bin store and the green ones are the two entrances.
The CCTV footage they sent me if it helps:
Clip one - Machine being carried to bin store: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VF7nDPOb_p140Hvd...
Clip two - Machine being carried out of basement car park. The fob doesn't work (my flat doesn't have a parking space in this car park, so the fob wouldn't open the door) and they get someone else to open it: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pBHyhi9V4mZtxHqY...
Clip one - Machine being carried to bin store: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1VF7nDPOb_p140Hvd...
Clip two - Machine being carried out of basement car park. The fob doesn't work (my flat doesn't have a parking space in this car park, so the fob wouldn't open the door) and they get someone else to open it: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1pBHyhi9V4mZtxHqY...
romeogolf said:
snake_oil said:
Have you spoken to the tennant about the situation?
Yes. He has (understandably) denied it was him and has provided a photo of the machine still in the kitchen today.V8mate said:
romeogolf said:
snake_oil said:
Have you spoken to the tennant about the situation?
Yes. He has (understandably) denied it was him and has provided a photo of the machine still in the kitchen today.Just call them and tell them you are no longer interested . Why waste any time ? Don’t forget these managers might be forum members .😎😎😎 It sounds like a few for sure
They work on bullying tactics . In fact it could be them trying to scam you .
Just carry on with life . They won’t move it up a step that’s worth worrying about . In fact send them a link to the thread and let them come on board and get their trousers well and truly pulled down !
They work on bullying tactics . In fact it could be them trying to scam you .
Just carry on with life . They won’t move it up a step that’s worth worrying about . In fact send them a link to the thread and let them come on board and get their trousers well and truly pulled down !
Very interesting, they don't exactly look dodgy! The fact they are let in/out? of the car park by the female surely negates some responsibility, her fob would have registered the shutter open can they see if she knows anything also how does the time of her opening the shutter fit in with the grand scheme of things??!
IMO it would be very easy to have an accidentally cloned key fob on the go none of this stacks up there are too many variables!
IMO it would be very easy to have an accidentally cloned key fob on the go none of this stacks up there are too many variables!
Edited by strath44 on Wednesday 24th April 16:29
In addition to getting the other footage that I mentioned in my previous post. I would also point out how did the washing machine get into the car park in the first place. if it hasn't come from your flat and your fob doesn't give access to the car park then it rules out the argument he has let a mate dump it there.
Moonflower said:
Just call them and tell them you are no longer interested . Why waste any time ? Don’t forget these managers might be forum members .?????? It sounds like a few for sure
They work on bullying tactics . In fact it could be them trying to scam you .
Just carry on with life . They won’t move it up a step that’s worth worrying about . In fact send them a link to the thread and let them come on board and get their trousers well and truly pulled down !
Its not really that simple when you have a property being managed by a company, on basic terms the sum will just be put onto the landlords monthly account!They work on bullying tactics . In fact it could be them trying to scam you .
Just carry on with life . They won’t move it up a step that’s worth worrying about . In fact send them a link to the thread and let them come on board and get their trousers well and truly pulled down !
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