Which kitchen appliances actually last?

[guindilias]

DonkeyApple said:

Can’t relax yet. Still looking for the TV remote! I hat was wrong with just a dial on the front of the TV!!

My mum still had one of those until it all finally went digital. Black and white, too. She didn't really watch the TV, more listened to it as she pottered about the kitchen.

[Black_S3]

when I bought my current house 5 years ago I bought a beko fridge, washing machine, dryer because I though all they do is keep stuff cold or wash/dry clothes and I can’t see how stuff at double the price can actually be better at its intended purpose... these have all been faultless.

I though there was value in spending more on an oven, so bought a Bosch one which went in the bin after 3years to be replaced in a hurry before Christmas with a neff oven which has had 2 in warranty faults so far.

I guess it’s the case these days that cheap isn’t necessarily bad and expensive isn’t necessarily good as a lot of the stuff is made in the same factories and all the brand name tells you is how much you paid for it.

[rsbmw]

I think price is some function of features with a brand multiplier. I expect many of the internal components are largely the same, made in the same Chinese factories. The features, like in cars, add more scope for failure and typically are uneconomical to repair. Are £700 ovens better than £300 ones? Probably a bit, but an expensive oven can fail after 13 months as easily as a cheap one can last years, or vice versa.

[DonkeyApple]

guindilias said:

DonkeyApple said:

Can’t relax yet. Still looking for the TV remote! I hat was wrong with just a dial on the front of the TV!!

My mum still had one of those until it all finally went digital. Black and white, too. She didn't really watch the TV, more listened to it as she pottered about the kitchen.

I had an old portable blank and white for the ZX Spectrum. If I recall, 51 was BBC1 in London, 40 was ITV and BBC2 and C4 were between them. Happy days.

I recon there is a market for a free view channel that’s just a tiny white dot and an irritating high pitch note, just for nostalgia.

[talksthetorque]

Alucidnation said:

Where do you position the airer?

In the housemaid's quarters of course.


There's only two of us rattling round in a 1500 ft2 bungalow, so you might be right about the space thing.
It goes in one of the spare bedrooms.
4 years of washing and no signs of damp yet as the windows have vents on.

[RevHappy]

Price, longevity and brand aren’t linked by a golden set of rules.
A cheap plastic or foil thick appliance if not stressed, could if your lucky last an age. The latest flagship could bug out on day one.

Price isn’t just how long something lasts but how many functions available and the interface you use to control it. A simple Miele oven might cost £500 and a flash M Touch £4,000 one both are designed to last about 20yrs. If they both go pop after only 10yrs you’d be more annoyed at the expensive one? Even if it was down to pure chance and the deck was slightly loaded due to the flash one having loads more components and newer technology that could go wrong regardless of pre production testing.

If you not bothered about cooking perfection, user experience and have plenty of time buy a simple oven.
Same as a plastic cheap car, they’ll get you there, just not as fast and not in as much style or comfort.

[psi310398]

soupdragon1 said:

I'm not quite getting this? You click the link and pretty much every brand is on there for recalls, both cheap and not cheap? (eg, Siemens, Meile, Bosch, Neff, Beko, Indesit, Hotpoint)

They are almost invariably the cheap ones (even from the allegedly premium brands i.e. not the ones built in Germany).

[DonkeyApple]

psi310398 said:

soupdragon1 said:

I'm not quite getting this? You click the link and pretty much every brand is on there for recalls, both cheap and not cheap? (eg, Siemens, Meile, Bosch, Neff, Beko, Indesit, Hotpoint)

They are almost invariably the cheap ones (even from the allegedly premium brands i.e. not the ones built in Germany).

It’s difficult because there is a possible argument that the cheap ones tend to be bought by people who don’t bother to look after them.

[psi310398]

DonkeyApple said:

It’s difficult because there is a possible argument that the cheap ones tend to be bought by people who don’t bother to look after them.

Sure.

[soupdragon1]

psi310398 said:

soupdragon1 said:

I'm not quite getting this? You click the link and pretty much every brand is on there for recalls, both cheap and not cheap? (eg, Siemens, Meile, Bosch, Neff, Beko, Indesit, Hotpoint)

They are almost invariably the cheap ones (even from the allegedly premium brands i.e. not the ones built in Germany).

Hmmnnn.... The premium brands will have less sales v budget brands yet the frequency of recalls is very similar.... potentially telling us the premium brands are MORE likely to catch fire?

Tongue in cheek, but I think what you are saying is open for debate at the very least.

[anonymous-user]

RevHappy said:

Price, longevity and brand aren’t linked by a golden set of rules.
A cheap plastic or foil thick appliance if not stressed, could if your lucky last an age. The latest flagship could bug out on day one.

Price isn’t just how long something lasts but how many functions available and the interface you use to control it. A simple Miele oven might cost £500 and a flash M Touch £4,000 one both are designed to last about 20yrs. If they both go pop after only 10yrs you’d be more annoyed at the expensive one? Even if it was down to pure chance and the deck was slightly loaded due to the flash one having loads more components and newer technology that could go wrong regardless of pre production testing.

If you not bothered about cooking perfection, user experience and have plenty of time buy a simple oven.
Same as a plastic cheap car, they’ll get you there, just not as fast and not in as much style or comfort.

I honestly for the life of me can't understand why an oven needs so many features to achieve cooking perfection especially given how fake the majority of our food is now. I can't for the life of me work out why it needs to be connected to the internet.

The stuff I make in our oven which is a simplish new indesit fan oven doesn't taste any worse than the food my neighbour makes in his 2k Miele oven. A good roast takes a few adjustments every now and again but thats it. Its not rocket science.

On the flip side my mother in law makes some absolutely amazing food including the best baked cheesecake I've ever tried using a 1970's Russian non fan gas oven. (That still works although it looks horrible) I have a 1982 Tricity microwave in the motorhome that is still working and on closer examination no rust at all.

[DonkeyApple]

CDB1983 said:

I honestly for the life of me can't understand why an oven needs so many features to achieve cooking perfection especially given how fake the majority of our food is now. I can't for the life of me work out why it needs to be connected to the internet.

The stuff I make in our oven which is a simplish new indesit fan oven doesn't taste any worse than the food my neighbour makes in his 2k Miele oven. A good roast takes a few adjustments every now and again but thats it. Its not rocket science.

On the flip side my mother in law makes some absolutely amazing food including the best baked cheesecake I've ever tried using a 1970's Russian non fan gas oven. (That still works although it looks horrible) I have a 1982 Tricity microwave in the motorhome that is still working and on closer examination no rust at all.

I’m a huge fan of technology. For me technology absolutely must make life significantly more rewarding to be considered relevant. Tech that is just for the sake of tech is just sales fodder gimmickry andbticking timebombs to inconvenience and expense.

Good tech is great. Bad tech, pointless tech, tech for the sake of tech is evil.

With regards to oven, all the fancy stuff is primarily to assist selling a zero finance debt trap to a consumer fool. Or worse, one of those idiots who likes to show off what pointless tech they’ve just rented. Even the throbber in the Ferrari hat doesn’t stoop so low as to walk around parties explaining that they have a hat and that it makes them a better human.

General rule of thumb is that if you can cook then you can cook on anything. You need to be very serious about cooking to warrant genuinely having a use for the really complex stuff of just the kitchen equivalent of the Ferrari merchandise tool.

I’ve met a couple of people with internet kettles. Monumental bores who are hugely eco focussed and are saving the planet buy importing as much Chinese tat as quickly as they can and then putting it in landfill as quickly as possible to make way for the new version in case anyone thinks they are poor.

[Swampy1982]

soupdragon1 said:

psi310398 said:

I won't single out any single manufacturer but, for those considering buying cheaper appliances, the savings might be considerably outweighed by a house fire:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/househo...

Me, I'd rather spend a few bob more and avoid the risk...

I'm not quite getting this? You click the link and pretty much every brand is on there for recalls, both cheap and not cheap? (eg, Siemens, Meile, Bosch, Neff, Beko, Indesit, Hotpoint)

Also doesnt really take into account the size of the respective companies in the market place. when you consider that Whirlpool group (hotpoint, indesit, whirlpool and cannon) and Beko PLC (beko, grundig, leisure, flavel and bloomberg) are almost 50% of the total market (2019 YTD figures) saying that you should be careful of the brands because they once produced products that are subject to recall (some 10+ years since they have been discontinued) isnt really a "fair" way of making a purchase decision.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

well my neff stuff has turned up. both ovens are made in germany, the hob and vent kit too. The fridge freezer and the warming drawer i havent a clue where they are made

Edited by Trustmeimadoctor on Tuesday 21st May 15:25

Edited by Trustmeimadoctor on Tuesday 21st May 16:05

[LordHaveMurci]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

well my neff stuff has turned up both ovens are made in germany hob and vent kit too fidge freezer i dunno or the warming draw

Punctuation would make that a lot easier to read.

[rsbmw]

plus, learning how to spell drawer

[Trustmeimadoctor]

Oh ffs slapped wrist

[So]

Trustmeimadoctor said:

Oh ffs slapped wrist

You aren't a real doctor are you.

[Trustmeimadoctor]

no

[threadlock]

Our integrated dishwasher just went pop
It was in the house when we bought it last year. I pulled it out last night to investigate. No clue what caused the problem, but I've discovered that the machine was built in 1989 when the house was built (and presumably when the kitchen was installed). It's a Neff dishwasher that has lasted 30 years. The integrated Neff oven and Miele washing machine the previous owners left behind are probably of the same vintage.
I wouldn't expect a modern Neff appliance to last even half that time, and despite reading this thread I have no bloody clue what brand to choose when we redo the kitchen in a few months.